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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#721
TL has never involved itself with any political or social issue before. What is different about now?
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
June 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#722
On June 25 2013 03:25 Meow-Meow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction.
The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often.

If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose.
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).

Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture??

1) Is underpopulation an issue?
2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?


Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine.


I would be especially weary of discriminating against minorities if I were Christian.

After all, it's your pathetic religious bigotry and your ridiculous notions that you can impose your absurd beliefs upon others that makes the Catholic church more irrelevant with every passing day in the western world.


Read my posts before posting an uninformed opinion about me filled with your preconceived notions of what a Christian is.

Love the banner. Really colorful. Bye.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#723
On June 25 2013 03:25 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:12 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction.
The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often.

If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose.
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).

Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture??

1) Is underpopulation an issue?
2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?


Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine.

1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control...
2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.


Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good.


No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though.


1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband."

You are basing your archaic and bigoted views on your religion. You made this a religious debate. Either man up and defend your book or gtfo out of the thread.


You just quoted what I just said, lol.


So you're really ok with Paul saying that all sex is immoral and that marriage is just an indulgence of that immorality? But if you're ok with that you wanna turn around and say that people indulging their gay desires is somehow wrong? Oh and of course we have to respect you. Nothing but respect. *bows head*
#2throwed
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:29:12
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#724
On June 25 2013 03:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
TL has never involved itself with any political or social issue before. What is different about now?


This is not true though. By moderating and banning homophobic/transphobic/etc posts, they kind of already made a stance on this issue.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
Trollk
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium93 Posts
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#725
On June 25 2013 03:14 Meow-Meow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 23:29 SChlafmann wrote:
So, anyhow related to Teaja or not at all?
I'm curious, I want an official statement, nao!

It would be so huge to have a great pgm being gay, real mind-change.



Statistically speaking, there should be at least a couple of gay pro gamers.

5-10% of males are supposedly gay, so it's not far fetched to assume two of the top 25 are gays.

I would not go as far to say that the average top starcraft player equals your average joe. Consequently, the average of 5 - 10% does not need to apply.

We do have a top NA transsexual player, who is overall strongly supported by the community.
bonse
Profile Joined July 2011
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:32:52
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#726
Please keep esports clean away from politics, religion, sexuality and other such stuff.
By moderating and banning homophobic/transphobic/etc posts, they kind of already made a stance on this issue.

It's one thing to ban hate speech. Taking active support it's crossing the line (and of course killing esports).
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#727
On June 25 2013 03:30 bonse wrote:
Please keep esports clean away from politics, religion, sexuality and other such stuff.

The logo at the top says no.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
June 24 2013 18:32 GMT
#728
On June 25 2013 03:30 bonse wrote:
Please keep esports clean away from politics, religion, sexuality and other such stuff.


Other sports don't. Why should esport ?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
June 24 2013 18:33 GMT
#729
On June 25 2013 03:25 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:18 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:15 Plansix wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:12 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction.
The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often.

If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose.
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).

Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture??

1) Is underpopulation an issue?
2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?


Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine.

1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control...
2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.


Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good.


No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though.

It always says I can stone my mother to death for sowing with two types of cloth, kill people for working on the Sabbath and sell my sister into slavery. But we ignore those parts.


Quit quoting from the Old Testament of the Israelites to make a point about the New Covenant of Jesus, please.

We can pick and choose which parts of the book follow. If you choose to ignore those teachings, why can't you just ignore the part where is says being gay is a sin?


Because the Covenant of the New Testament specifically invalidates the Old Testament. If you read the Gospel, you would know this. I PM'd you. I'm done derailing.


I might not agree with a single thing you said, but I respect your civil manner of expressing your opinion. I wish debates on the Internet were like that more often.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:35:21
June 24 2013 18:34 GMT
#730
I cant believe this is getting backlash. People hate supporting equality? Every time something like this happens I lose a little more faith in mankind.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43216 Posts
June 24 2013 18:34 GMT
#731
On June 25 2013 03:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
TL has never involved itself with any political or social issue before. What is different about now?

TL has always been strongly in favour of equality for all people.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 24 2013 18:35 GMT
#732
On June 25 2013 03:28 Shodaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
TL has never involved itself with any political or social issue before. What is different about now?


This is not true though. By moderating and banning homophobic/transphobic/etc posts, they kind of already made a stance on this issue.


From what I have seen, only posts that insult one's sexuality are moderated, while any post simply stating one's stance on sexuality is perfectly fine.

But either way, I'm still curious as to why this issue, any not any others. Are two of the TL staff members or Liquid pro gamers having a same sex marriage? That would be totally awesome and so cute.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 24 2013 18:36 GMT
#733
On June 25 2013 03:34 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
TL has never involved itself with any political or social issue before. What is different about now?

TL has always been strongly in favour of equality for all people.


Ah ok, thanks for the clarification.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
June 24 2013 18:36 GMT
#734
I've never understood how Jews can understand that not only are there multiple ways to interpret their Torah, but that it has policies/rules (such as the insane parts of Leviticus) that are simply added (as in, not from God) or outdated and should be understood in the context of that time; but Christians latch on to Paul's rantings about homosexuals and won't let go. It's really hard to hold on to my Christian faith when all around me are Christians using their religion as an excuse to hate or judge, when Jesus expressly told us it was not our place to do so about every other verse. I lost my faith at a young age because of the intolerance of Bible belt Baptists, but I gained it back after years of self-professed theism. And, of course, idiots are trying to force me out again for some reason with their blind intolerance.

PROTIP: You don't have the freedom to hate or be a bigot. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from criticism or ridicule for inane and pointless judgement.

PROTIP #2: Jesus didn't hate, and explicitly warned us against judging our fellow man. How about every time you get a bit of hate rising up inside of you, you give $10 to Habitat for Humanity or Child's Play? That's basically the exact definition of something I think Jesus would love to see come from his teachings - hate redirected and manipulated into some awesome charity.

Anyway, I'm proud of TL taking this stance in line with Pride Week, and especially with something as classy/low key as a simple color change. I'm going to love coming here multiple times a day (as I am want to do) and seeing that mane despite the butthurt that will flow.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 24 2013 18:39 GMT
#735
As long as you people think that there are no gay people around you in real life, you will never accept that they are just as normal as any of you.

That is why gay people demonstrate : because some people really think there are no gay people in their neighbourhood, or whatever, just some other place. Always some other place.
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
June 24 2013 18:40 GMT
#736
On June 25 2013 03:39 Jinsho wrote:
As long as you people think that there are no gay people around you in real life, you will never accept that they are just as normal as any of you.

That is why gay people demonstrate : because some people really think there are no gay people in their neighbourhood, or whatever, just some other place. Always some other place.


"you people" ?

Might want to adjust that because just dictating "you people" can come off as prejudice/racist and demeaning based on how you're referring it.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
June 24 2013 18:41 GMT
#737
On June 25 2013 03:26 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 03:25 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:12 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction.
The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often.

If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose.
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).

Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture??

1) Is underpopulation an issue?
2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?


Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine.

1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control...
2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.


Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good.


No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though.


1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband."

You are basing your archaic and bigoted views on your religion. You made this a religious debate. Either man up and defend your book or gtfo out of the thread.


You just quoted what I just said, lol.


So you're really ok with Paul saying that all sex is immoral and that marriage is just an indulgence of that immorality? But if you're ok with that you wanna turn around and say that people indulging their gay desires is somehow wrong? Oh and of course we have to respect you. Nothing but respect. *bows head*


I'm back!

Paul says that it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman in line with the idea that the best man follows the path of Jesus. When he says that "sexual immorality" is occurring, he's talking about homosexual sex and orgies. He specifically says, as according to marriage, that "each man should have sexual relations with his own wife." Just want to help clear up that misunderstanding for you.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
timurStas
Profile Joined June 2012
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:46:09
June 24 2013 18:42 GMT
#738
i like the idea - i dont really like the new athletics. If you look at the TL horse + Team Liquid text as the logo it seems like the colour is now miss balanced (like too much blue on the text side) - my suggesting is make "liquid" white and milky lol

but to be serious this is what i mean:
old logo was blue horse - white/blue team - blue liquid
new logo is rainbow maine - blue horse face - white/blue team - blue liquid

maybe im ocd a little but now the colours are asymmetrical and i dont like it
Stol
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden185 Posts
June 24 2013 18:44 GMT
#739
On June 25 2013 03:36 Mauldo wrote:
I've never understood how Jews can understand that not only are there multiple ways to interpret their Torah, but that it has policies/rules (such as the insane parts of Leviticus) that are simply added (as in, not from God) or outdated and should be understood in the context of that time; but Christians latch on to Paul's rantings about homosexuals and won't let go. It's really hard to hold on to my Christian faith when all around me are Christians using their religion as an excuse to hate or judge, when Jesus expressly told us it was not our place to do so about every other verse. I lost my faith at a young age because of the intolerance of Bible belt Baptists, but I gained it back after years of self-professed theism. And, of course, idiots are trying to force me out again for some reason with their blind intolerance.

PROTIP: You don't have the freedom to hate or be a bigot. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from criticism or ridicule for inane and pointless judgement.

PROTIP #2: Jesus didn't hate, and explicitly warned us against judging our fellow man. How about every time you get a bit of hate rising up inside of you, you give $10 to Habitat for Humanity or Child's Play? That's basically the exact definition of something I think Jesus would love to see come from his teachings - hate redirected and manipulated into some awesome charity.

Anyway, I'm proud of TL taking this stance in line with Pride Week, and especially with something as classy/low key as a simple color change. I'm going to love coming here multiple times a day (as I am want to do) and seeing that mane despite the butthurt that will flow.


I wish more people were like you.

On a different note, keep up the good work, TL.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
June 24 2013 18:44 GMT
#740
On June 25 2013 03:34 Focuspants wrote:
I cant believe this is getting backlash. People hate supporting equality? Every time something like this happens I lose a little more faith in mankind.


It's 80 percent me. I'm all for equality. It is the way the world is moving and that's great. Just expressing my opinion on a highly contested issue.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
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