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On June 25 2013 03:49 Qwyn wrote:
You can insult the Bible and the books of the disciples all you want, that's fine by me. But for millions of Christians, the Bible IS the final authority on homosexuality.
I suppose I can respect your opinion on that. But then you've got to respect my opinion that your opinion is, to put it mildly, very silly, and that I want nothing to do with someone having that opinion.
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On June 25 2013 03:54 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:39 Jinsho wrote:
As long as you people think that there are no gay people around you in real life, you will never accept that they are just as normal as any of you.
Being gay is way high up on the scale of abnormal, on many levels. You can lie yourself about it as much as you want but that doesn't change reality. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:39 Jinsho wrote:
That is why gay people demonstrate : because some people really think there are no gay people in their neighborhood, or whatever, just some other place. Always some other place.
That's so stupid. There are all kinds of deviants. If my next door neighbor is a zoophile, why do I need know that? I don't try to burst into his dormitory to check out what's he doing there, why does he have to push his deviancy to me and my children? I was a big TL fan, but this is sooo disappointing...
Even though we have to witness some hatred, I guess the good thing is that this will purge the forums of some totally intolerant and ignorant people!
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On June 25 2013 03:54 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:39 Jinsho wrote:
As long as you people think that there are no gay people around you in real life, you will never accept that they are just as normal as any of you.
Being gay is way high up on the scale of abnormal, on many levels. You can lie yourself about it as much as you want but that doesn't change reality. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:39 Jinsho wrote:
That is why gay people demonstrate : because some people really think there are no gay people in their neighborhood, or whatever, just some other place. Always some other place.
That's so stupid. There are all kinds of deviants. If my next door neighbor is a zoophile, why do I need know that? I don't try to burst into his dormitory to check out what's he doing there, why does he have to push his deviancy to me and my children? I was a big TL fan, but this is sooo disappointing...
Not the same issue at all. Being gay is not just about sex, it's also about relationship. Like being able to express love, even in a minimalist way like holding hands, in public.
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On June 25 2013 03:56 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 03:49 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:26 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:25 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:15 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:12 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:
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Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good. No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 "Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband." You are basing your archaic and bigoted views on your religion. You made this a religious debate. Either man up and defend your book or gtfo out of the thread. You just quoted what I just said, lol. So you're really ok with Paul saying that all sex is immoral and that marriage is just an indulgence of that immorality? But if you're ok with that you wanna turn around and say that people indulging their gay desires is somehow wrong? Oh and of course we have to respect you. Nothing but respect. *bows head* I'm back! Paul says that it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman in line with the idea that the best man follows the path of Jesus. When he says that "sexual immorality" is occurring, he's talking about homosexual sex and orgies. He specifically says, as according to marriage, that "each man should have sexual relations with his own wife." Just want to help clear up that misunderstanding for you. It's not a misunderstanding. I'm more than capable of reading. You're just engaging in mental gymnastics in order to avoid admitting that your New Testament hero has some grossly nonsensical ideas about sex and marriage. And he's not even remotely an authority on homosexuality. He's a disciple of Christ. If you are a Christian, and read the Gospel, you'd know that the disciples speak the words of God. No engaging in mental gymnastics, here. I think I've got my logic pretty well sorted out. You can insult the Bible and the books of the disciples all you want, that's fine by me. But for millions of Christians, the Bible IS the final authority on homosexuality. He speaks the word of God, which was then translated by man for 2,000 years through several languages. The King James Bible was approved by the King as an appropriate interpenetration of the scriptures. It is one of the longest games of telephone in human history. If you need to cut to the chase regarding the validity of scripture, the Aramaic should do wonders. If you are talking about the Council of Nicaea, you can read all the left out epistles and Apocrypha if you disagree with the council's direction.
Unless you find me the one that Paul wrote himself, I am going to assume to asshole messed with it along the way. That book was used to justify a large number of horrible things and every time it was rewritten or copied, someone put their spin on it.
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'The religous debate will go nowhere. You'll always end up at ''because it's Gods word in the bible''. No rationality required. It is everyone's right to believe what they want, and everyone elses right to find those beliefs disgusting.
It is a sad thing that people still get their panties in a twist because a website supports gay people being treated equally.
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On June 25 2013 03:56 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 03:49 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:26 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:25 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:15 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 03:12 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:
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Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good. No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 "Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband." You are basing your archaic and bigoted views on your religion. You made this a religious debate. Either man up and defend your book or gtfo out of the thread. You just quoted what I just said, lol. So you're really ok with Paul saying that all sex is immoral and that marriage is just an indulgence of that immorality? But if you're ok with that you wanna turn around and say that people indulging their gay desires is somehow wrong? Oh and of course we have to respect you. Nothing but respect. *bows head* I'm back! Paul says that it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman in line with the idea that the best man follows the path of Jesus. When he says that "sexual immorality" is occurring, he's talking about homosexual sex and orgies. He specifically says, as according to marriage, that "each man should have sexual relations with his own wife." Just want to help clear up that misunderstanding for you. It's not a misunderstanding. I'm more than capable of reading. You're just engaging in mental gymnastics in order to avoid admitting that your New Testament hero has some grossly nonsensical ideas about sex and marriage. And he's not even remotely an authority on homosexuality. He's a disciple of Christ. If you are a Christian, and read the Gospel, you'd know that the disciples speak the words of God. No engaging in mental gymnastics, here. I think I've got my logic pretty well sorted out. You can insult the Bible and the books of the disciples all you want, that's fine by me. But for millions of Christians, the Bible IS the final authority on homosexuality. He speaks the word of God, which was then translated by man for 2,000 years through several languages. The King James Bible was approved by the King as an appropriate interpenetration of the scriptures. It is one of the longest games of telephone in human history. If you need to cut to the chase regarding the validity of scripture, the Aramaic should do wonders. If you are talking about the Council of Nicaea, you can read all the left out epistles and Apocrypha if you disagree with the council's direction.
The new testament was written in Greek...
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I'm disappointed in the banner; not colorful enough imo. Its not fabulous enough.
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On June 24 2013 23:09 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 23:02 Arnstein wrote:On June 24 2013 22:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 24 2013 22:52 Capped wrote:
Uh, i realise its a troll, but are snute and TLO gay? I know they're not getting married or anything but thats an interesting fact to know :D
And there seem to be alot of closet homophobes floating around TL. There's a whole interview with TLO about his perfect girl so ummm... I'd say no As a heterosexual male, I find Snute to be my perfect girl. So I'd say we still don't know before TLO or Snute confirms anything! Snute has a girlfriend, and while I don't stalk him to keep track I assume they're still together.
Nice save.
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On June 25 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:
He speaks the word of God, which was then translated by man for 2,000 years through several languages. The King James Bible was approved by the King as an appropriate interpenetration of the scriptures. It is one of the longest games of telephone in human history.
Freudian slip?
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Awesome idea for the banner :D
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On June 25 2013 04:02 mainerd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:
He speaks the word of God, which was then translated by man for 2,000 years through several languages. The King James Bible was approved by the King as an appropriate interpenetration of the scriptures. It is one of the longest games of telephone in human history. Freudian slip?
Autocorrect, but about the same.
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I don't like it that they are just putting this up without any clear explanation at all, possibly even deliberately because they know that uncertainty about the exact reason might lead to even more discussion about it. I think if they want to support something in this area they should just say openly what exactly it is. At least have the logo link to some page that makes it clear like Google always does it with their special logos.
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On June 24 2013 23:32 theodorus12 wrote:
That's pretty sad, this is supposed to be a gaming site. Stop shoving your political agenda in peoples faces.
This is a privately owned gaming website, stop trying to dictate how they use their website and what they want to promote!
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go back to /r/atheism if you want to circle jerk over the bible and sexuality you aspy fucks
inb4 ban
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 25 2013 03:58 Adelphia wrote:
As a new TL-er, but a long time lurker on the site, I'm not sure how to feel about the rainbow logo. On one hand I think it is great that a rather large online community is openly supporting gay marriage. However, on the other hand I think that the banner change and large amount of discussion generated from the engagement has really taken away from the "Equality" aspect of it.
I have no problem with homosexuals. In fact, on my high school wrestling team, I knowingly wrestled with homosexuals in tournaments and even on my team (so don't take this a homosexual hate post). However, I feel that some homosexuals make it seem as if they are bombarded with extreme hate daily in every single part of their lives, when in truth, I see huge leaps and bounds towards general acceptance of homosexuality today as compared to say, a few years ago. In addition to that, many gays are extremely flamboyant and flashy, and this drives many people away from them which may contribute to the hate that they do get.
But this large outcry just seems like ALOT, maybe even too much? Does anyone else see where I am coming from or...?
Btw that rainbow mane on the horse does look awesome. They should keep it just because.
I think that it's important to recognize the direction that the world is moving and move with it. You can have contradictory opinions regarding an issue, but if you express yourself be prepared to fight for what you think. We are equal in the sense that EVERYONE has the RIGHT to express an opinion, not in the sense that there are an equal amount of views on a particular subject.
TL as a private entity has the right to express itself as an individual. You may agree or disagree with the opinions expressed on the site, and that is your privilege to do so.
I think that the majority of the people on this site are young new age liberals and progressives. Don't be surprised at the reaction you get if you same something contradictory to the forward thinking view. Just be prepared to take a lot of flak and suck it up.
I see where you're coming from. Consider your opinion equally considered <3.
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I've been trying really really hard to stay out of this thread, but oh well. I'd just like to sag, I really, really hate Christian bashing. What does it serve? Contrary to seemingly popular belief, the majority of Christians are a quiet majority that aren't hateful or discriminatory. I consider myself a fairly decent practicing catholic. Do I think homosexuals should be allowed to marry in my church? No... Should they be able to join? I think so. I think a pope has even said so, but don't quote me on that.
On the other hand, do I have any issues with homosexuals being legally married? Nope. Not one. The church and state are supposed to be separate, and I should never be able to dictate what somebody does in their personal life. I think they deserve equality - the thought that they don't is just a modern interpretation on blacks, women, etc. Both situations of which I think people today would say are totally deserving of equality, and both situations back then were justified with the bible.
It'd be great if people would stop hating on Christianity for the actions that people do in the name of Christianity. Just because the crusades were held in the name of God doesn't mean Christianity embodies killing thousands for no reason. And just because political agendas have interfered with Christianity doesn't change what Christianity represents. Same thing goes for Muslims and terrorism. Just because al qaeda is Muslim doesn't mean all Muslims are American hating terrorists. The sad thing is (in both cases) a vocal minority is tarnishing the image of a quiet majority.
TL;DR hate the people, not what the people pretend to be representing. Of all of my Christian friends, I can only think of one conservative enough to disagree with homosexuality.
If this looks like a massive paragraph I'm sorry, typed from my phone.
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I don't understand what homophilia has to to with esports. Maybe the banner should link to an explanation?
What about BDSM or other sexual deviancies? The horse mascot in a gimp mask should be next.
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On June 25 2013 03:58 Adelphia wrote:
I knowingly wrestled with homosexuals in tournaments and even on my team (so don't take this a homosexual hate post). However, I feel that some homosexuals make it seem as if they are bombarded with extreme hate daily in every single part of their lives, when in truth, I see huge leaps and bounds towards general acceptance of homosexuality today as compared to say, a few years ago.
You're turning homosexuality into something that isn't normal by saying "you knowingly wrestled with homosexuals" and while yes, there was a lot more hate a few years ago.. the fact that people still distinguish homosexuality from normal and the amount of abuse homosexuals still receive, means we still need this kind of thing to progress further.
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