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Please attempt to distinguish between extremists and non extremists to avoid starting the inevitable waste of time that is "can Islam be judged by its believers?" - KwarK | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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TheRealArtemis
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On May 27 2013 02:51 Jormundr wrote: Are you retarded? Apostasy is in both christianity and judaism. http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Apostasy/ Christianity just has Paul's "none of the rules matter" copout. So? I dont see your point? Im not a Christian, and im sure no christian will ever claim it to be the religion of Peace. I was addressing the guy who was somehow convinced it to be the religion of Peace. A religion of peace will not have apostasy intergrated in it. Btw, nice going by calling me a retard. makes you look real classy. On May 27 2013 02:55 heliusx wrote: So 6% of a small poll now means "a very large segment"? 6% is alot. Its alot more then then 0.000001% that alot of people are throwing around, regarding if muslism support it or not. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 27 2013 02:55 TheRealArtemis wrote: So? I dont see your point? Im not a Christian, and im sure no christian will ever claim it to be the religion on Peace. I was addressing the guy who was somehow convinced it to be the religion of Peace. A religion of peach will not have apostasy intergrated in it. Btw, nice going by calling me a retard. makes you look real classy. You don't see the point? Why am I not surprised... | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On May 27 2013 02:50 TheRealArtemis wrote: Because they do not support your oppinoin doesnt make them not true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism YouGov interviewed 526 Muslim adults across Great Britain online between July 15 and yesterday. Historically conservative organization conducts small sample size poll online right after a bombing and the following days where muslims were better off not walking around in public? Totally valid. | ||
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Crayfishy
Syria13 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 27 2013 02:55 heliusx wrote: So 6% of a small poll now means "a very large segment"? 6% is actually an alarming amount. That's pretty appalling .. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On May 27 2013 02:38 SCkad wrote: Source please? ive seen nothing to indicate that Muslim support for terrorist activity/violence to defend Islam is undeniably high, but it is getting better. http://people-press.org/files/2011/08/muslim-american-report.pdf About 28% of Muslims in Egypt (~20 million people) either think that suicide bombings/other violence are often (12%) justified to defend Islam from its enemies and sometimes (16%) justified to defend Islam from its enemies. That's just Egypt, it's higher in Palestine and Lebabon, but I was just giving this as an example because Egypt is huge and has a LOT of people with extremist views. Since 2007 Muslim's support for Al Qaeda has dropped very much however, especially in the U.S. 58% viewed them very unfavorably in 2007 and in 2011 70% viewed them very unfavorably. | ||
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
On May 27 2013 03:36 Incognoto wrote: 6% is actually an alarming amount. That's pretty appalling .. Totally agree | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On May 27 2013 04:19 heliusx wrote: Is this the poll kmillz? Interesting numbers for Pakistan. Even more interesting was the numbers for educated Muslims, their support for suicide attacks on civilians was under 1%. Of course in the US, especially in the south you would find appallingly high support for stupid shit like "nuke Arab countries" and what not also. I'd actually like to see a poll of how many people think that (because I've heard it as well). Yeah that was one of the polls I was referring to. | ||
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Crayfishy
Syria13 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Anyone got any link? Is this true? | ||
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Crayfishy
Syria13 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Those statistics are pretty sweet, to be honest. I'd be interested to know what percentage of <insert western country here> would say civilian casualties were justified to defend <insert western country here> from its enemies. I'd bet my house and my left testicle it'd be higher than 6%. I personally wouldn't read anything into stats gleaned from US muslims. With the best will in the world you cannot expect to get data that isn't coloured by the stigma they've had to bear for the last decade. "When asked, 100% of US muslims said: 'please leave us the fuck alone; that wasn't our fault.'" | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On May 27 2013 05:56 Umpteen wrote: To be brutally frank, based on this episode Islam - judged upon its capacity to foment violence - is still orders of magnitude less worrying than Millwall football club. Those statistics are pretty sweet, to be honest. I'd be interested to know what percentage of <insert western country here> would say civilian casualties were justified to defend <insert western country here> from its enemies. I'd bet my house and my left testicle it'd be higher than 6%. I personally wouldn't read anything into stats gleaned from US muslims. With the best will in the world you cannot expect to get data that isn't coloured by the stigma they've had to bear for the last decade. "When asked, 100% of US muslims said: 'please leave us the fuck alone; that wasn't our fault.'" The difference is we are not talking about <insert country here> we are talking about <insert religion here>. I agree with what you are saying though, there are probably plenty of people who agree that civilian casualties justify defending our country....and why wouldn't they? It's just I doubt you'd find many people saying "yeah I think think those civilian attacks were justified in defending christianity".. at least not in this current day in age. In the past, no doubt many people believed that though. | ||
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s_side
United States700 Posts
On May 27 2013 06:08 kmillz wrote: The difference we are not talking about <insert country here> we are talking about <insert religion here> And it's also absurd to equate the acceptance of unintentional loss of civilian life with the acceptance of the intentional murder of civilians to promote your cause through fear. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11511 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I told you, something is brewing. http://www.rssnews.co/news/woolwich-stabbing-leaves-man-in-hospital-bbc-news | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On May 27 2013 06:08 kmillz wrote: The difference is we are not talking about <insert country here> we are talking about <insert religion here>. I agree with what you are saying though, there are probably plenty of people who agree that civilian casualties justify defending our country....and why wouldn't they? It's just I doubt you'd find many people saying "yeah I think think those christian terrorist attacks were justified in defending christianity".. But the people with <insert religion> are mostly first or second generation immigrants from <insert country>. The second part is semantics. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were American holy wars. The bottom line for both countries is that they refused to bow down, and we invaded them. Our acts are terrorism on a scale that makes 9/11 insignificant. I would bet that far more Americans support that injustice than muslims support suicide bombings. Edit: A better comparison would be americans who are in favor of drone strikes. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On May 27 2013 06:10 s_side wrote: And it's also absurd to equate the acceptance of unintentional loss of civilian life with the acceptance of the intentional murder of civilians to promote your cause through fear. "Shock and awe" anyone? Ok, hand in the air time: that was a cheap shot. But realistically, the distinction between 'targeting civilians' and 'collateral damage' factors mainly in the mind of the guy doing the shooting. Also, please explain to me what the practical difference is between 'country' and 'religion' in terms of a person's self-identity. | ||
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