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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:22 Thieving Magpie wrote: People telling the latter to show her boobs is as bad as people calling the former immoral. Is that so difficult? This is complete nonsense. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:21 naastyOne wrote: Whining will get her nowhere. but look at all the attention she's getting! | ||
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
I'm a fan of the more colorful parts of our language, so it doesn't register to me that a curse word per se is a problem. cursing is not a problem--everyone gets upset and emotional. It's natural. curse words show the societal trends of what we equate as good and bad. Gays, for example, are normally attacked for being flamboyant and girly both in their voice and in their clothing. So when we attack someone by calling them gay we perpetuate the idea that flamboyant feminine males are bad. For example, if I called you gay, would you think that means that you pleasure women? Because lesbians are gay too. No, we think of males acting un-male. The same is true for many of the curse words in English. Sex and anal being the two main ones being referenced usually suggesting that Sex is something to do to someone and anal is something you never want to receive. This is all just a byproduct of a misogynist society which the west is. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
It doesn't make sense to you that some women like being pretty and others don't? It doesn't make sense to you its wrong for us to decide for them? | ||
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sc_a.M
420 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:12 Yuljan wrote: She has like 3k views on her videos. While sexism does happen in some cases this clearly isnt sexism. Its just bored boys writing insulting youtube comments. Should we make a new thread about every 300 views guy who got told to fuck his mother? Reminds me alot of this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317995/UW-student-activist-Meg-Lanker-Simons-Facebook-rape-threat-hoax-frame-conservatives.html I think shes doing it just for the publicity. Clever marketing to hop on the "all men just want to objective me" train. You speak the truth. Like really, who still gets upset in 2013 about negative youtube comments, really... OH YOU SO SEXIST OMFG. lal. If in dota my teammates build troll items (or what ever I deem troll items at that point), I will curse them, their family, their pets, their country, their houses, their homeland altogether to hell and back again. I will do so with my name or without it. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:27 Thieving Magpie wrote: It doesn't make sense to you that some women like being pretty and others don't? It doesn't make sense to you its wrong for us to decide for them? You actually haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about or, apparently, what anyone else is talking about. Literally nobody is arguing any of these things except you. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:27 Thieving Magpie wrote: It doesn't make sense to you that some women like being pretty and others don't? It doesn't make sense to you its wrong for us to decide for them? it doesnt make sense because one is a command, and one is an obvious opinion | ||
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Crosswind
United States279 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:26 Thieving Magpie wrote: This is all just a byproduct of a misogynist society which the west is. In the interests of not making your statement imply something which is patently false, let me amend it to point out that the east is aaalso pretty damn misogynist. =) -Cross | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:30 Shiori wrote: You actually haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about or, apparently, what anyone else is talking about. Literally nobody is arguing any of these things except you. Um... you actually said that you think its immoral. I don't say anything at all unless I'm asked. And if I'm asked, I'll say that what I think they're doing is immoral | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:32 Crosswind wrote: In the interests of not making your statement imply something which is patently false, let me amend it to point out that the east is aaalso pretty damn misogynist. =) -Cross True, but trying to win the "at least I'm less misogynistic than _______" is a very low bar to set for one's self  | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:34 Thieving Magpie wrote: Um... you actually said that you think its immoral. It's actually like talking to a wall that takes what you say and throws it into google translate until it says something completely different, then replies to that. Newsflash genius: this : "It doesn't make sense to you that some women like being pretty and others don't? It doesn't make sense to you its wrong for us to decide for them?" is not the same as " I'll say that what I think they're doing is immoral" because despite your attempts to pretend that stripping on camera for money is an exercise for women who "like being pretty" it is objectification. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:37 Shiori wrote: It's actually like talking to a wall that takes what you say and throws it into google translate until it says something completely different, then replies to that. Newsflash genius: this : "It doesn't make sense to you that some women like being pretty and others don't? It doesn't make sense to you its wrong for us to decide for them?" is not the same as " I'll say that what I think they're doing is immoral" because despite your attempts to pretend that stripping on camera for money is an exercise for women who "like being pretty" it is objectification. A woman doing what she chooses to do is not objectification. A woman being used as an object is objectification--because she's being used as an object. You wanting to call women who act sexual immoral is sexist. For much the same reason that if a woman is told she has to strip in front of a camera to increase ratings is sexist. Women's rights is not about putting clothes on women who are naked. Women's rights is about giving women the power to act the way they want to act. | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:42 Thieving Magpie wrote: A woman doing what she chooses to do is not objectification. A woman being used as an object is objectification--because she's being used as an object. You wanting to call women who act sexual immoral is sexist. For much the same reason that if a woman is told she has to strip in front of a camera to increase ratings is sexist. Women's rights is not about putting clothes on women who are naked. Women's rights is about giving women the power to act the way they want to act. So mens rights are for men to run around in short skirts in public and wave their ding dong around? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:42 Thieving Magpie wrote: A woman doing what she chooses to do is not objectification. A woman being used as an object is objectification--because she's being used as an object. You wanting to call women who act sexual immoral is sexist. For much the same reason that if a woman is told she has to strip in front of a camera to increase ratings is sexist. Women's rights is not about putting clothes on women who are naked. Women's rights is about giving women the power to act the way they want to act. You can treat yourself as an object. That's all I have to say about this nonsense. People who sell their sexuality aren't "acting sexual"; they're treating themselves as objects. And my statement applies to male prostitutes as well as women. It has nothing to do with sexism at all. You're grasping at straws. Face it: you've got nothing to stand on here. | ||
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Morken
25 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:42 Thieving Magpie wrote: Women's rights is about giving women the power to act the way they want to act. I'm curious when you'll find out that this particular statement was a very bad move. But don't mind me, go on -- I'm just a spectator. | ||
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Anesthetic
United States225 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:54 Chaosvuistje wrote: Sexism is present in any field or community that has an overrepresentation of a certain gender. It dispizes me that people actually think that it can be forgiven because '14 year olds' write it or because there are also racist and other insults. If people wait for the lowest common denominator to catch up to them before changing opinions, then we're in for a long long wait until anything gets better. Well if this is the definition of sexism then I dont really see a problem with it. Women and men will always be different because of the different genetic makeups of each gender and as such I expect there to be disparity in a lot of fields (for example, sports would be dominated by males most of the time). Unless of course we want to go the carebear routine and give everyone equal opportunities. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:46 Yuljan wrote: So mens rights are for men to run around in short skirts in public and wave their ding dong around? Men's rights are that they're able to do what they think is normal without being attacked as being a faggot, a bitch, or a sissy. That if they wanted to walk around in a dress with their dick hanging out that they can and not be attacked for dressing like a girl. Its called allowing people to be themselves without policing them. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:49 Shiori wrote: You can treat yourself as an object. That's all I have to say about this nonsense. People who sell their sexuality aren't "acting sexual"; they're treating themselves as objects. And my statement applies to male prostitutes as well as women. It has nothing to do with sexism at all. You're grasping at straws. Face it: you've got nothing to stand on here. What I'm standing on has been the same since I started talking in this thread. Women are allowed to do what they want--you acting like a puritan when you see someone naked has nothing to do with them wanting to do it. If they are forced into it, if they have no other choice but to do it, if they are not doing it out of their own free will--then yes its problematic; but not because they're naked, but because their being forced to do things they don't want to do. But if a woman decides she wants to look nice she doesn't need to hear crap from people like you calling her immoral. | ||
KwarK
United States42521 Posts
On May 03 2013 05:49 Shiori wrote: You can treat yourself as an object. That's all I have to say about this nonsense. People who sell their sexuality aren't "acting sexual"; they're treating themselves as objects. And my statement applies to male prostitutes as well as women. It has nothing to do with sexism at all. You're grasping at straws. Face it: you've got nothing to stand on here. I think you're misunderstanding his point. It's that other people don't get to decide how it's okay for an individual to express themselves (assuming they're not harming anyone). It's not just about you adding things to your list of acceptable ways to be a woman, it's about you not defining the acceptable ways to be a woman. | ||
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