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On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol.
An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho...
I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter.
P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process!
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On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process!
Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks.
I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28.
I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54
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It's funny to see that in terms of performance, the $4-10 pens are sometimes not all that far away from the very high end ones. Of course in terms of durability, they'll be lacking, but they're cheap enough that you probably won't mind too much when the finish fades or whatever. They can be a bit more scratchy as well, but there are tricks to fix it up, and anyway a bit of scratchiness is not too bad.
As for the Iroshizuku ink, it's Tsuki-yo. I've had it for a bit but I haven't gotten around to using it. Well actually, it's so expensive and the bottle looks so cool, I don't want to use it x_x. I would suggest buying cheaper ink for a beginner. People seem to appreciate Lamy which goes for around $7.50 a bottle +shipping.
As for pens, I've ordered a "Kaigelu 356", there are some on ebay for $6.50 shipped, and they're very well rated, and they also look good. It seems very promising. It's an imitation of the Parker Sonnet, but performs nearly as well for a twelfth of the price or less. Jinhao also has some nice offerings if you prefer thicker pens, like the Jinhao X450.
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On May 30 2013 01:12 Djzapz wrote:
It's funny to see that in terms of performance, the $4-10 pens are sometimes not all that far away from the very high end ones. Of course in terms of durability, they'll be lacking, but they're cheap enough that you probably won't mind too much when the finish fades or whatever. They can be a bit more scratchy as well, but there are tricks to fix it up, and anyway a bit of scratchiness is not too bad.
As for the Iroshizuku ink, it's Tsuki-yo. I've had it for a bit but I haven't gotten around to using it. Well actually, it's so expensive and the bottle looks so cool, I don't want to use it x_x. I would suggest buying cheaper ink for a beginner. People seem to appreciate Lamy which goes for around $7.50 a bottle +shipping.
As for pens, I've ordered a "Kaigelu 356", there are some on ebay for $6.50 shipped, and they're very well rated, and they also look good. It seems very promising. It's an imitation of the Parker Sonnet, but performs nearly as well for a twelfth of the price or less. Jinhao also has some nice offerings if you prefer thicker pens, like the Jinhao X450.
Yeah I agree. The only real problem I have with the cheap pens is that the decorations on the outside is usually worn out quite fast. However, I have never had a nib or any part of the pen that you actually need to write with break on me. I've had crushed pen bodies and obviously broken lids but everything else is still good xD.
I think the amount of ink is fine so far. I've used it for just over a year writing notes in every class I have (mostly biochemistry and math courses) and I've only used about 1/3 of the bottle (with an extra-fine point pen). I'm very careful on how I refill my pens though and definitely leave as much ink as I can in the bottles after wiping the nib.
I also agree that buying a lot of cheap pens is probably better than buying a single really expensive one if you're a beginner. I bought a Decimo simply because it was the only clicker fountain pen I knew of and so I don't have to re-cap it every time I use it in a lab.
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I could just be unlucky here, but how well do your guys' pens write after you leave them sitting, uncapped, for at least a minute?
I've got around ten pens and all but one have drying issues. Meaning, that after I leave it uncapped, and don't write with it for a bit - even one minute - the next stroke I make with the pen lays down no ink. Better nibs start working ~2 seconds after I press, bad ones take 30 seconds or more for the ink to start flowing again. I do have a single pen that (not sure how) manages to never dry up on me, and writes on the first stroke after sitting uncapped for an hour, which I feel must be an anomaly.
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On May 31 2013 08:41 Phael wrote:
I could just be unlucky here, but how well do your guys' pens write after you leave them sitting, uncapped, for at least a minute?
I've got around ten pens and all but one have drying issues. Meaning, that after I leave it uncapped, and don't write with it for a bit - even one minute - the next stroke I make with the pen lays down no ink. Better nibs start working ~2 seconds after I press, bad ones take 30 seconds or more for the ink to start flowing again. I do have a single pen that (not sure how) manages to never dry up on me, and writes on the first stroke after sitting uncapped for an hour, which I feel must be an anomaly.
This is normal, some pens will be more resistant than other I guess, and some inks will be more resistant also. There may be other factors like ambient temperature and whatnot... I'm no "expert" so you should Google this, but I suspect it could also have something to do with the feed. I suspect "wet" pens typically have a better time writing after being left out.
My Parker Sonnet and Nemosine Singularity do much better than my Pilot Metropolitan
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On May 31 2013 08:41 Phael wrote:
I could just be unlucky here, but how well do your guys' pens write after you leave them sitting, uncapped, for at least a minute?
I've got around ten pens and all but one have drying issues. Meaning, that after I leave it uncapped, and don't write with it for a bit - even one minute - the next stroke I make with the pen lays down no ink. Better nibs start working ~2 seconds after I press, bad ones take 30 seconds or more for the ink to start flowing again. I do have a single pen that (not sure how) manages to never dry up on me, and writes on the first stroke after sitting uncapped for an hour, which I feel must be an anomaly.
They all dry out after a few seconds if you don't write with them. If you don't like having to re-cap your pens because you're always getting distracted, there are cap-less fountain pens that you can look up. Pilot has a few (Decimo, Vanishing Point, Fermo) and I think Lamy has one (Lamy Dialog 3). There are probably more but those are the ones that I know of. I use the Decimo and it's really good for not having it dry out but it does make the "clicky" sound that you get with ballpoint pens. They are all extremely expensive though ($100+ USD).
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On May 31 2013 09:24 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:41 Phael wrote:
I could just be unlucky here, but how well do your guys' pens write after you leave them sitting, uncapped, for at least a minute?
I've got around ten pens and all but one have drying issues. Meaning, that after I leave it uncapped, and don't write with it for a bit - even one minute - the next stroke I make with the pen lays down no ink. Better nibs start working ~2 seconds after I press, bad ones take 30 seconds or more for the ink to start flowing again. I do have a single pen that (not sure how) manages to never dry up on me, and writes on the first stroke after sitting uncapped for an hour, which I feel must be an anomaly. They all dry out after a few seconds if you don't write with them. If you don't like having to re-cap your pens because you're always getting distracted, there are cap-less fountain pens that you can look up. Pilot has a few (Decimo, Vanishing Point, Fermo) and I think Lamy has one (Lamy 2000). There are probably more but those are the ones that I know of. I use the Decimo and it's really good for not having it dry out but it does make the "clicky" sound that you get with ballpoint pens. They are all extremely expensive though ($100+ USD).
Lamy 2000 isn't it, but they might have one. But yeah, most fountain pens will dry out in that amount of time of being uncapped. 1min is quite some time to just stop writing without recapping the pen.
I would love to have a capless fountain pen. Might have to consider the Vanishing Point. I also really want a Namiki Falcon. Decisions, decisions.
My Noodler's Konrad seems to hard start quite often. I think there's a more serious problem with the feed than I originally thought. It leaked again when left stored nib down for ~2 days. The ink I'm thinking somehow breaks the surface tension around the feed and just pours out after being nib down for extended periods. I'm not sure if this is related to the hard starts or not, but I'm going to try the "hot water" method of adjusting the feed to see if I can make an improvement.
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On May 29 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process! Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks. I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28. I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54
I have the same question as the guy you quoted, it's actually related to paper. I think you quoted the wrong post. Can anyone answer his question? Been thinking about a Rhodia but I wanted something less pricey to start.
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On May 31 2013 15:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process! Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks. I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28. I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54 I have the same question as the guy you quoted, it's actually related to paper. I think you quoted the wrong post. Can anyone answer his question? Been thinking about a Rhodia but I wanted something less pricey to start.
I would say frankly don't get suckered into the idea that you absolutely need high quality paper, at least not right off the bat. Just try cheap paper or mid-range printing paper, they sell giant wads for a couple of bucks and if you don't like it, well everybody needs printing paper sooner or later.
I've used 3 pads of cheap, generic garbage that I happened to have and 2 of them work pretty great, one pad that I got from my uni actually doesn't do too well with "wet" pens. Unfortunately, I don't know of decent paper under Rhodia's pricepoint for fountain pens, but maybe someone else will be able to clear that up for you if you really want to try it out. In fact, I'd like to know.
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The thing that makes suggesting a journal to him difficult is that he wants a wet flex pen that doesn't take much time to dry. Wet flex pens simply take a little more time to dry than what may be acceptable.
Liberty's Elysium to my understanding does quite well on cheaper paper, even with a lot of ink. It doesn't really feather much, but it might bleed through some on very cheap papers.
Journals that are around $15-20 tend to have pretty good paper in them in my experience. Pick one up from a bookstore or Walmart. If you want something with a reputation you can try Moleskine, Clairfontaine, Apica, Midori, Leuchtturm1917. I'm sure these will all do well.
The only issue I can see arising is drying time. For that you can use blotting paper to absorb excess ink when you need to turn the page or close the journal.
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Oh I hadn't picked up on the flex pen part. My bad.
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I purchased a Lamy safari after being inspired by this thread, and I wonder if anyone is familiar with the black Lamy cartridge ink. The blue one included with the pencil isn't very saturated and the end of each stroke is significantly darker than the rest of the stroke.
I don't quite like the look of it, i would prefer if the entire stroke had more or less the same colour.
Is the black ink more or less black throughout the entire stroke? Or do I need to buy a converter and bottled ink to get a uniform stroke?
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On June 01 2013 04:46 shaippen wrote:
I purchased a Lamy safari after being inspired by this thread, and I wonder if anyone is familiar with the black Lamy cartridge ink. The blue one included with the pencil isn't very saturated and the end of each stroke is significantly darker than the rest of the stroke.
I don't quite like the look of it, i would prefer if the entire stroke had more or less the same colour.
Is the black ink more or less black throughout the entire stroke? Or do I need to buy a converter and bottled ink to get a uniform stroke?
I think blues are harder to saturate than blacks. I've had this issue with Waterman's serenity blue, but no issue with Parker Quink black and Lamy's black.
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On May 31 2013 23:52 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 15:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On May 29 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process! Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks. I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28. I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54 I have the same question as the guy you quoted, it's actually related to paper. I think you quoted the wrong post. Can anyone answer his question? Been thinking about a Rhodia but I wanted something less pricey to start. I would say frankly don't get suckered into the idea that you absolutely need high quality paper, at least not right off the bat. Just try cheap paper or mid-range printing paper, they sell giant wads for a couple of bucks and if you don't like it, well everybody needs printing paper sooner or later. I've used 3 pads of cheap, generic garbage that I happened to have and 2 of them work pretty great, one pad that I got from my uni actually doesn't do too well with "wet" pens. Unfortunately, I don't know of decent paper under Rhodia's pricepoint for fountain pens, but maybe someone else will be able to clear that up for you if you really want to try it out. In fact, I'd like to know.
He is completely right. And sorry I did quote the wrong post lol, must've been reading something else at the time.
I bought a sketchbook from Wal-mart for like $5 CAD and has 100 sheets and it is incredibly absorbent to any amount of ink I use and I've tested it with fountain pens and nib (with about the same flex as wet noodles) pens and there is absolutely no feathering. So definitely don't think only high quality expensive paper will do the trick. In case you were wondering, it is a Studio Pro by Hilroy "Sketch Book" 100 sheets, 50lb paper. I got it on a back-to-school sale so that might have been why it was so cheap...
@Marimokkori
Yeah you're right. I just re-checked. I meant to say the Lamy Dialog 3 is cap-less. Here's a pic:
![[image loading]](http://static.jetpens.com/images/a/000/039/39016.jpg)
Also @Marimokkori, you can pull out the nib and feed from your noodler's konrad and adjust it so that it doesn't leak.
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On June 01 2013 11:20 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 23:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 31 2013 15:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On May 29 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process! Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks. I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28. I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54 I have the same question as the guy you quoted, it's actually related to paper. I think you quoted the wrong post. Can anyone answer his question? Been thinking about a Rhodia but I wanted something less pricey to start. I would say frankly don't get suckered into the idea that you absolutely need high quality paper, at least not right off the bat. Just try cheap paper or mid-range printing paper, they sell giant wads for a couple of bucks and if you don't like it, well everybody needs printing paper sooner or later. I've used 3 pads of cheap, generic garbage that I happened to have and 2 of them work pretty great, one pad that I got from my uni actually doesn't do too well with "wet" pens. Unfortunately, I don't know of decent paper under Rhodia's pricepoint for fountain pens, but maybe someone else will be able to clear that up for you if you really want to try it out. In fact, I'd like to know. He is completely right. And sorry I did quote the wrong post lol, must've been reading something else at the time. I bought a sketchbook from Wal-mart for like $5 CAD and has 100 sheets and it is incredibly absorbent to any amount of ink I use and I've tested it with fountain pens and nib (with about the same flex as wet noodles) pens and there is absolutely no feathering. So definitely don't think only high quality expensive paper will do the trick. In case you were wondering, it is a Studio Pro by Hilroy "Sketch Book" 100 sheets, 50lb paper. I got it on a back-to-school sale so that might have been why it was so cheap... @Marimokkori Yeah you're right. I just re-checked. I meant to say the Lamy Dialog 3 is cap-less. Here's a pic: + Show Spoiler +Also @Marimokkori, you can pull out the nib and feed from your noodler's konrad and adjust it so that it doesn't leak.
I already readjusted the nib/feed on it, not sure what else I could do with simply adjusting to prevent the leaking.
Cheap paper here doesn't even show it's weight it's so bad. The lightest marked paper I've found where I live is 80 or 90lb which is typically at least $10-15 USD. Any journals I've seen that aren't high end are also never marked with their paper weight.
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As for the blue saturation level - the end of the stroke being darker than the rest is commonplace for all inks that have some amount of shading. It's due to the fact that as you write the paper "pulls" more ink out of the pen, and as you begin to lift the pen from the page that extra ink doesn't get sucked back into the pen, it gets drawn to the paper, leaving the end of the stroke slightly more saturated.
This won't be as prominent with most black inks. Noodler's X-Feather is a very solid black that does not falter and it will solve your problem. If you are set on a blue ink, you'll have to look for one that has very little shading potential.
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On June 01 2013 13:19 Marimokkori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:20 wptlzkwjd wrote:On May 31 2013 23:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 31 2013 15:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On May 29 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:On May 26 2013 23:37 Kronen wrote:On May 26 2013 01:07 antilyon wrote:On May 26 2013 00:23 Fenrax wrote:
LOl I just noticed if you add an "i" to the title it is Fountain Penis. Quality post right here, lol. An excellent example of how to get to 5000 posts imho... I've been doing a good deal of research on this subject, but wanted to query you all too. Would anyone here have any suggestions for a good, relatively cheap journal that works well with fountain pens? I have some minor qualifications though... I'd prefer to not have paper that takes forever and a year to dry, but also would work well with Noodler's ink and the relatively wet Noodler's flex nib. Liberty's Elysium is the ink (which is beautiful incidentally!) and is somewhat water resistant, but otherwise just standard. It's not bulletproof or x-feathery. People swear by Rhodia and the larger exaclair company's line of materials, but I was wondering what the TL gurus have to say on the matter. P.S. it's nice to see some of you guys in my other favorite threads. Grats to Mari for doing the C25K. After reading the running thread last September, I started that program and am still getting some good base building in. After running a 5k in June I think I'm going to start training for 10ks and up. (I'm very very slow though... so not competitively) Hang in there and enjoy that process! Any cheap chinese pen is fine. Go on eBay and search up student fountain pen and you'll get a ton of results at like $3 with free shipping. IMO, a fine nib is definitely the best to get if you're using a cheap journal. A medium sized nib might leak through the paper or "feather" plus a fine nib would be quicker to dry as well. These sellers are usually really nice. Once I had one arrive with a bend cap (the pen still worked). I simply e-mailed the seller asking for an exchange. They sent me two extra pens instead and told me to keep the one with the broken cap so basically I got 3 working pens for $3 bucks. I use Pilot's Tsyuki-yo (sp?). It dries really fast from my Pilot Decimo Extra-Fine but it also costs like $28. I just searched up on eBay and this one likes nice if you're into cute pens lol. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HERO-Pen-3106A-BLACK-Cute-cartoon-students-Fine-Nib-Fountain-Pen-/181134277716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2c71bc54 I have the same question as the guy you quoted, it's actually related to paper. I think you quoted the wrong post. Can anyone answer his question? Been thinking about a Rhodia but I wanted something less pricey to start. I would say frankly don't get suckered into the idea that you absolutely need high quality paper, at least not right off the bat. Just try cheap paper or mid-range printing paper, they sell giant wads for a couple of bucks and if you don't like it, well everybody needs printing paper sooner or later. I've used 3 pads of cheap, generic garbage that I happened to have and 2 of them work pretty great, one pad that I got from my uni actually doesn't do too well with "wet" pens. Unfortunately, I don't know of decent paper under Rhodia's pricepoint for fountain pens, but maybe someone else will be able to clear that up for you if you really want to try it out. In fact, I'd like to know. He is completely right. And sorry I did quote the wrong post lol, must've been reading something else at the time. I bought a sketchbook from Wal-mart for like $5 CAD and has 100 sheets and it is incredibly absorbent to any amount of ink I use and I've tested it with fountain pens and nib (with about the same flex as wet noodles) pens and there is absolutely no feathering. So definitely don't think only high quality expensive paper will do the trick. In case you were wondering, it is a Studio Pro by Hilroy "Sketch Book" 100 sheets, 50lb paper. I got it on a back-to-school sale so that might have been why it was so cheap... @Marimokkori Yeah you're right. I just re-checked. I meant to say the Lamy Dialog 3 is cap-less. Here's a pic: + Show Spoiler +Also @Marimokkori, you can pull out the nib and feed from your noodler's konrad and adjust it so that it doesn't leak. I already readjusted the nib/feed on it, not sure what else I could do with simply adjusting to prevent the leaking. Cheap paper here doesn't even show it's weight it's so bad. The lightest marked paper I've found where I live is 80 or 90lb which is typically at least $10-15 USD. Any journals I've seen that aren't high end are also never marked with their paper weight. EDIT: As for the blue saturation level - the end of the stroke being darker than the rest is commonplace for all inks that have some amount of shading. It's due to the fact that as you write the paper "pulls" more ink out of the pen, and as you begin to lift the pen from the page that extra ink doesn't get sucked back into the pen, it gets drawn to the paper, leaving the end of the stroke slightly more saturated. This won't be as prominent with most black inks. Noodler's X-Feather is a very solid black that does not falter and it will solve your problem. If you are set on a blue ink, you'll have to look for one that has very little shading potential.
I looked up the significance of the paper weights. Apparently 50lbs is around printing paper quality which is weird because the paper in my sketchbook doesn't feather at all but the paper I use for printing (which feels and looks exactly like the one in the sketchbook) feathers slightly but definitely noticeable.
On June 01 2013 04:46 shaippen wrote:
I purchased a Lamy safari after being inspired by this thread, and I wonder if anyone is familiar with the black Lamy cartridge ink. The blue one included with the pencil isn't very saturated and the end of each stroke is significantly darker than the rest of the stroke.
I don't quite like the look of it, i would prefer if the entire stroke had more or less the same colour.
Is the black ink more or less black throughout the entire stroke? Or do I need to buy a converter and bottled ink to get a uniform stroke?
What Marimokkori said is definitely correct. If you want to fix this problem, you might want to try a finer pen nib. A Japanese extra-fine nib would definitely fix this problem. However, if the blue is too dark, a thinner line might not bring out the color as much lol.
Lamy, while being a reputable European pen maker, tend to make their nib sizes bigger than what a Japanese pen maker might define them to be. I think an European fine nib is around a Japanese fine-medium.
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On June 01 2013 13:19 Marimokkori wrote:
As for the blue saturation level - the end of the stroke being darker than the rest is commonplace for all inks that have some amount of shading. It's due to the fact that as you write the paper "pulls" more ink out of the pen, and as you begin to lift the pen from the page that extra ink doesn't get sucked back into the pen, it gets drawn to the paper, leaving the end of the stroke slightly more saturated.
This won't be as prominent with most black inks. Noodler's X-Feather is a very solid black that does not falter and it will solve your problem. If you are set on a blue ink, you'll have to look for one that has very little shading potential.
I actually prefer black ink, but a blue cartridge is included with the pen, and had this small issue as i tried it out. I was wondering if the Lamy black ink would behave the same or if it was more saturated.
I will try out a lamy black cartridge, see how it writes and then decide whether I want to get a converter or not.
On June 01 2013 14:01 wptlzkwjd wrote:
What Marimokkori said is definitely correct. If you want to fix this problem, you might want to try a finer pen nib. A Japanese extra-fine nib would definitely fix this problem. However, if the blue is too dark, a thinner line might not bring out the color as much lol.
Lamy, while being a reputable European pen maker, tend to make their nib sizes bigger than what a Japanese pen maker might define them to be. I think an European fine nib is around a Japanese fine-medium.
I am unfortunately not interested in a finer nib. I got my safari with a fine nib, and am actually considering trying a broader nib, since I heard they can be just slightly wetter.
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On June 01 2013 00:11 Marimokkori wrote:
The thing that makes suggesting a journal to him difficult is that he wants a wet flex pen that doesn't take much time to dry. Wet flex pens simply take a little more time to dry than what may be acceptable.
Liberty's Elysium to my understanding does quite well on cheaper paper, even with a lot of ink. It doesn't really feather much, but it might bleed through some on very cheap papers.
Journals that are around $15-20 tend to have pretty good paper in them in my experience. Pick one up from a bookstore or Walmart. If you want something with a reputation you can try Moleskine, Clairfontaine, Apica, Midori, Leuchtturm1917. I'm sure these will all do well.
The only issue I can see arising is drying time. For that you can use blotting paper to absorb excess ink when you need to turn the page or close the journal.
Thanks for the suggestions! The libertys Elysium is doing well on cheap paper, but when the Konrad goes full bore I get very significant bleedthrough on super cheap paper (to the tune of up to three sheets :-/). I like the idea of using blotting paper very much if I do indeed need drying time. To test this, I'm going to use the jetpens free shipping you suggested previously to pick up 2 Lamy nibs and a couple of small Rhodia and marimakori (spelling) notepad examples, before investing in the bigger journals. Thanks again!
Sorry you're having all the trouble with the Konrad too... Mine is performing relatively consistently. I store it horizontally and it occasionally will have a hard start, but not with trackable frequency.
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