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Marimokkori
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 22:57:51
April 23 2013 06:47 GMT
#1
+ Show Spoiler [My story about pens I've enjoyed] +
Since high school I've really enjoyed pens. It started out as nifty ball points with clever mechanisms.

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+ Show Spoiler [Capless, rotates to reveal tip] +

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Little did I know that pens could be used for something much, much cooler than writing. Youtube was kind enough to introduce me to the world of pen spinning.



Diving headfirst into pens widely used for these feats, I got into modding. I made quite a large number of pens that have been broken or lost over the years, and only three remain, unfortunately. I remember an RSVP mod I made early on that I filled with water and some lava-lamp looking material which was probably the best looking pen I've ever made. I didn't venture into modding as far as some others once I came by a solid few that really satisfied my spinning needs.

I give you Firefly's LED G3 mod:



3 years went by while I sat in my classes flipping pens around, and after I graduated I no longer kept up the practice. After high school I basically did whatever I felt like except start college. Travel. Cross country USA road trip with friends. Two solo trips to Japan. A trip to England and Sweden (Dreamhack, baby!)

Today, I'm more or less an adult. College student. And I still have a very deep interest in pens. It has gone from nifty mods for pen spinning:

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To more aesthetically pleasing (and actually intended for writing) fountain pens.

What is a fountain pen?

A fountain pen looks like this:
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They do not have a ball at the tip which give ballpoints and rollerballs their name. They have no parts that move to bring ink to the paper. It's all done through capillary action.

The metal portion which contains the very tip of the pen is called a nib.
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These, just like ballpoints, come in a variety of sizes. Extra fine, fine, medium, broad (bold). Unlike ballpoints, they also come in a number of styles. Stub, Italic, Flex, Calligraphy, Oblique.
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(More on this later)

The feed is aptly named for its function of "feeding" ink to the nib so the nib can produce a nice line.
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The feed and nib fit together, and are placed into the section.
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The section is essentially the pen grip.

This all gets attached to the pen body, which can house the ink in a number of ways depending on the pen.


Why fountain pens?

Well, if you want to be cheap - you can be. Fountain pens may seem expensive at first, but over time you will actually save money because bottled ink is insanely cheaper to use than buying refills or brand new ballpoint/gel pens. If you are a student and write a lot, a cheap fountain pen ($3) and a bottle of ink ($5-20) will start saving you money by the time a term is over.

To some they are simply beautiful.

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They are impressive. If you walk into a meeting with a $840 (USD) Montblanc pen, everyone in the room notices.
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Montblanc Meisterstuck 149

Style. No pen is more stylish than a fountain pen - especially those demonstrators (clear body so you can see the inner workings). Yum
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Monteverde Artista Crystal ($38) - No ink

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Monteverde Artista Crystal - Inked. You can see the red ink in the converter, and the feed is clear also, so you can see red ink near the tip as well!

While my personal collection doesn't contain any pens quite at this price point, it is starting to get there. I personally think the pen pictured above, the artista crystal, is simply gorgeous, and it's a pen I really want to have. However, like most newcomers to fountain pens, I started at the cheap end.

Perhaps the most praised cheap pen is the Platinum Preppy ($3-4)
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This pen is ultra cheap - almost as cheap as a Pilot G2 gel rollerball. With bottled ink this pen will end up costing less than a single pack of 12 G2 gel pens. And you'll be a boss. (The Preppy can also be used as a highlighter, dry-erase marker, and rollerball with different tips)

However, the hunger didn't stop there. After trying the cheapest, lowest end pen - and actually enjoying it (no one can say the same for ballpoint pens - bic sticks are trash), I needed more.

The Ohto F-Lapa was my next purchase.

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Ohto F-Lapa ($10 IIRC)

It looks classy and is still a relatively cheap pen. The notably increased smoothness of writing was worth the $10 buy. Not to mention it looks like a real pen and not some cheap plastic that is the Platinum Preppy.

But so much more exists in the fountain pen world. Enter nib styles.


Here is an example of what can be done with a flex nib:
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This was written with a + Show Spoiler [Noodler's Konrad ($20)] +
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. As you apply more pressure to flex nibs the tines (two segments at the tip of the nib) separate and allow you to generate a much thicker, wetter line. This also creates the color difference in the above example, even though it's all written with the same ink. Which brings me to the next benefit of using a fountain pen...

Ink. Not only is it cheaper, but you can get more than blue or black (or the occasional red/green.) If you can imagine a color, there probably exists a similar ink that you can use in your fountain pen.

Noodler's Ink is an American company with a relatively large selection of fountain pen inks. Here are some of the samples

http://noodlersink.com/noodlers-ink-color/

There are hundreds more colors available produced by a number of companies. Platinum actually has a line of inks called mix-free because you can freely mix the colors together to make your own!

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Like the pens themselves, ink can vary quite a bit in value based on quality. You can get a 30ml bottle of ink for about $6, up to and exceeding the very good inks from + Show Spoiler [Pilot's iroshizuku line ($28/50ml)] +
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Today I purchased a Nemosine Singularity demonstrator ($15)
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Not quite as nice as the previously shown Monteverde Artista Crystal, but I'm also not quite ready to spend $38 on one pen yet.

I encourage those of you who have not, to at least try a fountain pen for a while. I've used some more expensive pens in stores and they are simply wonderful. Being a college student, I'm just too poor to get the really nice pens. But a cheap pen and decent bottle of ink will save any poor student some money in the long run. They look amazing, they are very stylish, and write more smoothly than any tool you've ever used.

Those of you who do use fountain pens - what are your favorite pens and inks?

Buying recommendations for first time users
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I would recommend to buy a pen that can use/comes with cartridges. They are simple to use , it's hard to make a mess with them, and you can avoid spending money on a bottle of ink in case you decide fountain pens are not for you. I'm going to compile a list of pens arranged by price which I think are good selections for first time users.

Platinum Preppy $3.30
Cheap. The best money can buy for less than $4. If you want to try bottled ink, you can get a Platinum converter for about $8.

Pilot Penmanship $8
Intended market is students learning to write. Has a triangular grip to help teach correct angle to hold the pen. Demonstrator version available. (As far as I know, converters do not fit in this pen)

-- Pilot Metropolitan $15 --
Comes in 3 colors, 3 styles for each color. This pen has made a name for itself in the market of cheap pens for being very good value, most bang for your buck kind of thing. If this pen is within your budget, definitely check it out. I think these come with a converter, might depend on who you buy from. I'd recommend this pen to anyone who is considering making fountain pens their tool of choice.

Ohto F-Lapa $16
Listed in part because it was my first pen in this price range. Fairly smooth. Classy look. However if the Pilot Metropolitan were available when I made the purchase, I would have gotten it instead. Anyone who has both would probably recommend the Metropolitan. The F-Lapa can use a converter purchased separately.

Lamy Safari $25
If you have more money you want to invest, the safari is probably the way to go. Solid pens, solid nibs, excellent value. You can use them with cartridges and converters. A lot of color options available. Triangular grip. Getting a safari also has the benefit of allowing you to try different nibs without buying a new pen. You can buy Lamy nibs separately ($10 I think) and swap them around, allowing you to find a size and style you like without buying six or seven different pens. And if you were really hoping for a demonstrator, the Lamy Vista is exactly the same - but clear, for just a few bucks more.

Pilot Prera $50 (Though I have seen it for about $35)
Just a beautiful pen, solid colors or clear demonstrator version. Steel nibs. I don't own one (but want one), though I have been able to use a few of them, and they're a pretty solid pen. Cartridge and converter compatible. Some people say it's a great starter pen, to me it's just a little too expensive to really recommend to first time users - but it is very beginner friendly. I know you can remove the nib and replace them with similar (but not all) Pilot nibs. I assume you can also remove the feed for easy cleaning, but I'm not 100% on that. If you have the budget and want to make a truly serious go at fountain pens, check this one out.

Some tips on choosing a nib
If you don't have a nearby store that sells fountain pens, get a medium nib and adjust if you like from there. If you do have a nearby store, they will have paper you can test the pens on. Peter Twydle suggests to write a lower case e as you normally would - if the hole in he e is filled with ink, get a finer nib.


Shop/Learn More:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sbrebrown - Pen Reviews (Has a video on "Why Fountain pens also)
http://www.jetpens.com/ - Shop
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/ - Forums / Community
http://www.gouletpens.com/default.asp - Shop + Lots of info (Check out the Fountain Pen 101 Series)
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 23 2013 06:51 GMT
#2
I still have my fountain pen somewhere. I used to use it to do my homework while in school. However, I don't find it very "mobile", in the sense that carrying it in the pocket is unsafe and the ink bottle is required for heavy writing.
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Wojciech Zywny
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland271 Posts
April 23 2013 06:53 GMT
#3
I have a fountain pen. It's like 11 inches long and if I use it too much it spays out white ink every where. Really annoying when it happens in the middle of class
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triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
April 23 2013 06:53 GMT
#4
Man I'm thrilled that this thread exists. I love fountain pens, and plan on getting another one once I start work over the summer (so I actually have money to buy something).

For pens I have a Cross Compact and a Parker Sonnet, and for ink I have black Quink (utterly awful crap), Pelikan brilliant green, and Waterman purple.

My next pen will probably be a Pilot/Namiki vanishing point. I love the idea of the convenience of a click-top fountain pen, and they are unbelievably smooth to write with when I tried one in a store.

Fountain pens are fuckin sexy man.
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
April 23 2013 06:59 GMT
#5
cool thread. I owned a fountain pen or two but they were too cheap and didn't turn out to be my style. One just printed too thick; I know I prefer my mechanical pencils to be .5 and a pen would definitely have to be in the same area. The other one clogged or something and i have a start up problem after every time i cap it. If I get another one I'll definitely review this thread, the Nemosine Singularity demonstrator looks cool and I've always been a fan of clear/white/black colors.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 23 2013 06:59 GMT
#6
i have a waterman pen that my dad gave me, but in general am a newbie to the category. i am a big pen fan for someone with relatively terrible handwriting!
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Passion
Profile Joined December 2003
Netherlands1486 Posts
April 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#7
How the fuck is spinning cooler than writing?
Marimokkori
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 07:06:02
April 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#8
On April 23 2013 15:51 Sufficiency wrote:
I still have my fountain pen somewhere. I used to use it to do my homework while in school. However, I don't find it very "mobile", in the sense that carrying it in the pocket is unsafe and the ink bottle is required for heavy writing.

They are only unsafe if something is wrong with a pen or it's broken, which is true for most pens, fountain or not. Needing to take the bottle with you for heavy writing? Are you working on a handwritten novel? I've never had this experience. 1ml of ink goes a rather long way. The Noodler's Ahab pen can hold 6ml of ink, which is more than enough for writing until your hand hurts.


On April 23 2013 15:59 phiinix wrote:
cool thread. I owned a fountain pen or two but they were too cheap and didn't turn out to be my style. One just printed too thick; I know I prefer my mechanical pencils to be .5 and a pen would definitely have to be in the same area. The other one clogged or something and i have a start up problem after every time i cap it. If I get another one I'll definitely review this thread, the Nemosine Singularity demonstrator looks cool and I've always been a fan of clear/white/black colors.


Stephen (The linked youtube channel) does a nice review of the pen on his channel
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He also compares it to the mentioned Artista Crystal
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On April 23 2013 15:53 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
I have a fountain pen. It's like 11 inches long and if I use it too much it spays out white ink every where. Really annoying when it happens in the middle of class

For a moment I thought you were serious... rofl

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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 23 2013 07:04 GMT
#9
I like my pens iff they are mechanical pencils.

Nice OP though. It's cool to have things you really like, but fountain pens just don't do it for me.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 08:08:01
April 23 2013 07:05 GMT
#10
I actually use a Pilot Decimo from the capless series. I have it with the extra fine nib and it's so good for taking notes on powerpoint slides I have to print for my class It's really expensive though. I've poked myself with the nib accidentally 2 times and it is sooo painful xD.

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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
April 23 2013 07:05 GMT
#11
So with enough practice can it be as fast as a ballpoint pen, or something similar (basic and made for ease)? Ballpoint pens suck for the record.. im more of a felt tip guy heh heh
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
April 23 2013 07:07 GMT
#12
I haven't had a fountain pen in years, cursive is not my thing.
I used to be pretty into pen-spinning and when i stopped and watched some videos of other people doing it to music, it seemed like a very feminine sort of performance art. It's fun if you're being competitive with it, but it really has no aesthetic appeal to me other than that.
Sorry to sound negative, but my favourite pen is the sort that simply works&is reliable... ;__;
otherwise, it's all computer documents for me.
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Marimokkori
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States306 Posts
April 23 2013 07:09 GMT
#13
On April 23 2013 16:05 FallDownMarigold wrote:
So with enough practice can it be as fast as a ballpoint pen, or something similar (basic and made for ease)? Ballpoint pens suck for the record.. im more of a felt tip guy heh heh

Well they don't really take any practice to use at the same level as you do other types of pens. They are just tools, like ballpoints, etc. The skill is the same, except you can't rotate a fountain pen while you write, at least not much at all. After some time the nib will start to conform to your style of writing, the angle at which you hold it, etc. But it really takes 0 practice to use one.

If you want to write quickly, you need a pen with good ink flow that will keep up and a wet nib, most likely. A low ink flow pen will start to skip when you write too quickly with it.
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
April 23 2013 07:09 GMT
#14
whenever I used fountain pens in the past I'd always make a mess
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xBebop
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)23 Posts
April 23 2013 07:23 GMT
#15
I have a couple. I worked hard on my handwriting over the last year and got one as a gift for Christmas. It is a Cross something or other. I love using them, but lately I've found myself looking for damaged fountain pens at thrift stores and flea markets. I found a couple at a flea market one day and ordered a couple ink sacs and cleaned the pens up. They aren't anything special, but if you are into fountain pens it's a rewarding way to indulge your hobby.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
April 23 2013 07:28 GMT
#16
I used a Pilot Petit fountain pen for my pre-university years and absolutely loved it. I have no idea how 'good' it was as a fountain pen but it was a joy to use for one who hadn't used fountain pens before. I have no idea where it is now and have been stuck using ballpoints etc for the last 4-5 years, I certainly would consider going back to fountain pens if I had the chance.
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
April 23 2013 07:46 GMT
#17
I have a Mont Blanc one but I have no idea what in the world I'd use it for. Got it as a gift and used it once to forge some signatures.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25013 Posts
April 23 2013 07:50 GMT
#18
This makes my interests seem non-esoteric, but really loved the OP
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
April 23 2013 07:51 GMT
#19
On April 23 2013 16:46 Chaggi wrote:
I have a Mont Blanc one but I have no idea what in the world I'd use it for. Got it as a gift and used it once to forge some signatures.


What?

On a related note, I am too much of a "spreader" when it comes to pens to ever really invest in something nice. I consider it a personal success if I still have a pen by the end of my shift - and it does not even have to be the one I started out with for it to count. One day when I get my own, nice office and have become a professor and can keep it in a holder there I might find a use for the Montblanc I was given by my grandfather, but until then it is simply too much of a risk.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 23 2013 07:55 GMT
#20
I like fountain pens and have my own, but I'm forced to switch to ball-points when I write a lot. I hold my pen almost vertically which would probably fuck up my fountain pen's point if I used it. Nothing like a dumb old bic to get the job done.
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