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zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
April 12 2013 01:53 GMT
#161
On April 12 2013 08:11 MrTortoise wrote:
Gonna go down well in whore houses around the country


Pun intended?
MrToasty
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia24 Posts
April 12 2013 01:57 GMT
#162
On April 12 2013 05:12 sam!zdat wrote:just because I do something, that means that I am an "X-er"? I masturbate, but if you started conceptualizing my basic identity as a "masturbator" then I would be a bit miffed, and I would feel that you were overlooking some more fundamental aspects of my identity as a human being.


But your identity in certain contexts only matter so much. Everyone knows you are more than just a consumer, but a person can describe you as a consumer (Whether you like it or not) among other things.
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 02:11:53
April 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#163
"In 2002, the ALEC had already proposed a similar law, which labeled the unauthorized taping of farming infrastructures and methods as "terrorism"."

lol gimme a break. everything in this country is terrorism now. it's become such an absurd catch-all phrase. i'm just waiting to read the US history textbooks in 30 years to laugh at this "police state necessary to catch the boogeyman terrorists" garbage.
fast food. y u no make me fast? <( ಠ益ಠ <)
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 12 2013 02:33 GMT
#164
On April 12 2013 03:53 hfglgg wrote:
lol
this is by far the most stupid thing i have ever heard from a non muslim extremist country.


Really? This isn't even in the top ten of "pants-on-head retarded bullshit that the U.S. government does, making us all lose faith in humanity."
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Cababel
Profile Joined November 2012
United States31 Posts
April 12 2013 02:42 GMT
#165
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.
He's not just a step ahead he's dubstep ahead, just look at all his bases
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 02:44 GMT
#166
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?
Cababel
Profile Joined November 2012
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 03:00:14
April 12 2013 02:48 GMT
#167
On April 12 2013 11:11 TheDraken wrote:
"In 2002, the ALEC had already proposed a similar law, which labeled the unauthorized taping of farming infrastructures and methods as "terrorism"."

lol gimme a break. everything in this country is terrorism now. it's become such an absurd catch-all phrase. i'm just waiting to read the US history textbooks in 30 years to laugh at this "police state necessary to catch the boogeyman terrorists" garbage.

the qualifications they use for determining if you might be a terrorist are hilarious. One of them is that the US govt can consider you a terrorist if you have enough food stored in your house to last you over 7 days. It's just absurd how little the govt needs to be able to call you a terrorist so I'm surprised that the proposal did not pass.
He's not just a step ahead he's dubstep ahead, just look at all his bases
Cababel
Profile Joined November 2012
United States31 Posts
April 12 2013 02:56 GMT
#168
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.
He's not just a step ahead he's dubstep ahead, just look at all his bases
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 02:58 GMT
#169
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
April 12 2013 03:00 GMT
#170
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!


Are they selling their nudity to the mass public?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 03:01 GMT
#171
On April 12 2013 12:00 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!


Are they selling their nudity to the mass public?

lol. do you really think that makes a difference?
Zyufin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States85 Posts
April 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#172
On April 12 2013 03:41 plated.rawr wrote:
What? They're making taping of animal mistreatment illegal, but the actual treatment is a-ok?

What the motherfuck. AFK, I need to hit something, or someone.


Well if you hit an animal, just don't video tape it.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 03:04:18
April 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#173
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!

Actually, you'd probably have the right to do that, as long as you didn't step onto their lawn or property.
Cababel
Profile Joined November 2012
United States31 Posts
April 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#174
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!

You can say that but at some point in the past the supreme court most likely decided that your neighbors right to undress without being recorded, while on her own property, is greater than your right to record itallowing congress to make a law which prohibits it.
He's not just a step ahead he's dubstep ahead, just look at all his bases
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
April 12 2013 03:04 GMT
#175
On April 12 2013 12:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:00 Roe wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!


Are they selling their nudity to the mass public?

lol. do you really think that makes a difference?

"lol" yup. We're trying to have a free market here.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 03:06:56
April 12 2013 03:05 GMT
#176
On April 12 2013 12:03 Cababel wrote:
You can say that but at some point in the past the supreme court most likely decided that your neighbors right to undress without being recorded, while on her own property, is greater than your right to record it allowing congress to make a law which prohibits it.

From what I know of similar cases concerning public videotaping, you probably have it inverted.

Doing stuff in front of a window has no expectations of privacy unless you use curtains or some other way of demonstrating privacy.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 03:06 GMT
#177
On April 12 2013 12:03 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!

Actually, you'd probably have the right to do that, as long as you didn't step onto their lawn or property.

true. let say it was trespass and i could not have done the filming without first breaking trespass laws.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 03:07 GMT
#178
On April 12 2013 12:04 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 12:00 Roe wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:56 Cababel wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 12 2013 11:42 Cababel wrote:
The only thing I have to say about it being illegal to film animal cruelty is that it is a clear violation of the first amendment and would never make it past any impartial court.

how so?

In the first amend ment it is stated that "congress shall make no law ...abridging the freedom of speech, or of press" (www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment). By limiting what is legally allowed to be filmed congess would be violating the people's right of free speech and also the right of the media to display whatever they choose to.

so, if i went to my neighbor's window and filmed her undressing, but congress made a law against perverts, then i can say freedom of speech/press? awesome!


Are they selling their nudity to the mass public?

lol. do you really think that makes a difference?

"lol" yup. We're trying to have a free market here.

im not sure you're using that term as it applies to rational people.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
April 12 2013 03:10 GMT
#179
On April 12 2013 12:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
true. let say it was trespass and i could not have done the filming without first breaking trespass laws.

Then you'd be trespassing...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 12 2013 03:10 GMT
#180
On April 12 2013 12:10 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
true. let say it was trespass and i could not have done the filming without first breaking trespass laws.

Then you'd be trespassing...

correct. the illegality was the point of the example.
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