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On April 14 2013 13:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 09:19 Nachtwind wrote:
In the end i think all those Jimmys on all those streets don´t give a fuck if his egg or steak is misstreated beforehand.
I remember Jamie Oliver as he killed young hatchlings in tv before a meal and they were so shocked.
Or a project on a neighbor state in scool were pupils could make "friendship" with chickens and they were serverd a few hours later as food. Other parents were really angry. I laugh at this because i was raised with animals.
I know how to drill a chickens neck or how to down of feathers or how to slaughter a cow. But we never treated our animals like in the videos.
That´s the problem of our society now.
Like how many of the youngsters really lived with animals? They don´t give a fuck.
They like a fat cheeseburger and that´s it. And that are thousends of cheeseburgers. Law back and forth they don´t give a fuck.
They think meat is magical on trees or some fuck.
So why should a law against taping something "bad" in the animal food production be "bad"? Since the bigger part of the "civilized" world either don´t give a fuck.
Most "uncivilized" people treat animals better because they know their value. In the end of the day it always comes down to this:
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.
-Gandhi I'm not sure why you end with that quote. The man was Hindu. By his religious laws, he was forbidden to eat meat. It's hard to take him seriously when he speaks on such a matter since he's speaking from a very biased perspective, and let's not forget that the great nations and morally progressive nations tend to be big meat consumers (since it's a lot more affordable and it's not religiously forbidden).
More affordable? Do you realize how much rice you can get from the energy that's needed for a steak? Meat production is among the most cost- and energy-inefficient ways to feed a nation.
You can only truly judge someones character if you give him absolute power over something. Considering what is happening to the one thing we claim absolute power over - the animals which feed us - we're failing as a species. Horribly.
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This is 16 pages long.... So should the OP have been told to at least put in some links showing what he is saying is true. At least a link to the law which is getting voted on?
.Opps. I didn't see that word source was a hyperlink.
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On April 14 2013 14:55 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 14 2013 09:19 Nachtwind wrote:
In the end i think all those Jimmys on all those streets don´t give a fuck if his egg or steak is misstreated beforehand.
I remember Jamie Oliver as he killed young hatchlings in tv before a meal and they were so shocked.
Or a project on a neighbor state in scool were pupils could make "friendship" with chickens and they were serverd a few hours later as food. Other parents were really angry. I laugh at this because i was raised with animals.
I know how to drill a chickens neck or how to down of feathers or how to slaughter a cow. But we never treated our animals like in the videos.
That´s the problem of our society now.
Like how many of the youngsters really lived with animals? They don´t give a fuck.
They like a fat cheeseburger and that´s it. And that are thousends of cheeseburgers. Law back and forth they don´t give a fuck.
They think meat is magical on trees or some fuck.
So why should a law against taping something "bad" in the animal food production be "bad"? Since the bigger part of the "civilized" world either don´t give a fuck.
Most "uncivilized" people treat animals better because they know their value. In the end of the day it always comes down to this:
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.
-Gandhi I'm not sure why you end with that quote. The man was Hindu. By his religious laws, he was forbidden to eat meat. It's hard to take him seriously when he speaks on such a matter since he's speaking from a very biased perspective, and let's not forget that the great nations and morally progressive nations tend to be big meat consumers (since it's a lot more affordable and it's not religiously forbidden). More affordable? Do you realize how much rice you can get from the energy that's needed for a steak? Meat production is among the most cost- and energy-inefficient ways to feed a nation. You can only truly judge someones character if you give him absolute power over something. Considering what is happening to the one thing we claim absolute power over - the animals which feed us - we're failing as a species. Horribly.
Consumers in first world countries can afford to buy meat. Most people in 3rd world countries cannot, or at least not much. That was my point.
So, is your solution that we all become vegetarians/vegans? Because without the current meat processing system, we won't be able to produce a fraction of the meat that is currently produced. It's not something I like, but it's just the way it is. Treating meat production in something other than the current form would severely cut down on supply and drive up prices radically. Thanks but no thanks. I like Canadian bacon with my eggs.
How are we failing as a species, by the way? We number 7 billion and we control the world, and except in a future scenario of global nuclear winter or environmental collapse, we're doing by far the best as a species on this planet. In fact, we are the only sapient species, at that; at least, no other creature comes anywhere close in that regard. Barring discovery of sapient alien species, there is currently no known species anywhere near as successful as humans.
On April 14 2013 13:55 Nachtwind wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 14 2013 09:19 Nachtwind wrote:
In the end i think all those Jimmys on all those streets don´t give a fuck if his egg or steak is misstreated beforehand.
I remember Jamie Oliver as he killed young hatchlings in tv before a meal and they were so shocked.
Or a project on a neighbor state in scool were pupils could make "friendship" with chickens and they were serverd a few hours later as food. Other parents were really angry. I laugh at this because i was raised with animals.
I know how to drill a chickens neck or how to down of feathers or how to slaughter a cow. But we never treated our animals like in the videos.
That´s the problem of our society now.
Like how many of the youngsters really lived with animals? They don´t give a fuck.
They like a fat cheeseburger and that´s it. And that are thousends of cheeseburgers. Law back and forth they don´t give a fuck.
They think meat is magical on trees or some fuck.
So why should a law against taping something "bad" in the animal food production be "bad"? Since the bigger part of the "civilized" world either don´t give a fuck.
Most "uncivilized" people treat animals better because they know their value. In the end of the day it always comes down to this:
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.
-Gandhi I'm not sure why you end with that quote. The man was Hindu. By his religious laws, he was forbidden to eat meat. It's hard to take him seriously when he speaks on such a matter since he's speaking from a very biased perspective, and let's not forget that the great nations and morally progressive nations tend to be big meat consumers (since it's a lot more affordable and it's not religiously forbidden). By his religion.... Aha. Hindu mostly eat vegetables but that doesn´t mean meat is a dogma for them. Gandhi though said for himself that he would not eat any meat of animals because he equals both, human and animals. But well what ever you people in the internet are telling. First you miss the point. Then you wanna fight about things that wasn´t my point. Then you talking things like "great nations and morally progressive nations tend to be big meat consumers" while i would say those "great" nations are making the biggest failures right now and are giving right to what that man said. Well whatever you people say. You´re right.
So Germany is one of the biggest failures right now, you say? I don't follow. I assume you're living well off even for a German. That aside, the poor in Germany and the US and other advanced nations live a lot better than the average people in third world countries. And somehow you claim that the most advanced and wealthiest nations are the greatest failures? I am sincerely interested in hearing why you say this. It's a rather radical idea.
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On April 14 2013 14:55 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 14 2013 09:19 Nachtwind wrote:
In the end i think all those Jimmys on all those streets don´t give a fuck if his egg or steak is misstreated beforehand.
I remember Jamie Oliver as he killed young hatchlings in tv before a meal and they were so shocked.
Or a project on a neighbor state in scool were pupils could make "friendship" with chickens and they were serverd a few hours later as food. Other parents were really angry. I laugh at this because i was raised with animals.
I know how to drill a chickens neck or how to down of feathers or how to slaughter a cow. But we never treated our animals like in the videos.
That´s the problem of our society now.
Like how many of the youngsters really lived with animals? They don´t give a fuck.
They like a fat cheeseburger and that´s it. And that are thousends of cheeseburgers. Law back and forth they don´t give a fuck.
They think meat is magical on trees or some fuck.
So why should a law against taping something "bad" in the animal food production be "bad"? Since the bigger part of the "civilized" world either don´t give a fuck.
Most "uncivilized" people treat animals better because they know their value. In the end of the day it always comes down to this:
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.
-Gandhi I'm not sure why you end with that quote. The man was Hindu. By his religious laws, he was forbidden to eat meat. It's hard to take him seriously when he speaks on such a matter since he's speaking from a very biased perspective, and let's not forget that the great nations and morally progressive nations tend to be big meat consumers (since it's a lot more affordable and it's not religiously forbidden). More affordable? Do you realize how much rice you can get from the energy that's needed for a steak? Meat production is among the most cost- and energy-inefficient ways to feed a nation. You can only truly judge someones character if you give him absolute power over something. Considering what is happening to the one thing we claim absolute power over - the animals which feed us - we're failing as a species. Horribly.
Before declaring that we are failing as a species you should probably define the purpose of a species first.
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yea I dunno about that most successful argument, there are more bacteria cells than human cells in your body and you would die if you got rid of them.
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On April 14 2013 15:40 woody60707 wrote:
This is 16 pages long.... So should the OP have been told to at least put in some links showing what he is saying is true. At least a link to the law which is getting voted on?
.Opps. I didn't see that word source was a hyperlink.
If you're looking for links and more information on Ag Gag laws visit the Institute for Critical Animal Studies website at http://icasnorthamerica.wordpress.com/projects/ . They provided links to the NPR interview that represents both sides of the debate, which then provides additional links to all the legislation under consideration.
Also, I think the OP assumed people knew how to use google to find the information since it's out there all over the Internet. A bunch of people have also posted links within this thread... but it is a shame someone has to sift through it all in order to find what they're looking for.
Stop Ag Gag Laws from Passing - http://tinyurl.com/bnlnwu3 - #AgGagBad
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On April 14 2013 23:08 sailorferret wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 15:40 woody60707 wrote:
This is 16 pages long.... So should the OP have been told to at least put in some links showing what he is saying is true. At least a link to the law which is getting voted on?
.Opps. I didn't see that word source was a hyperlink. If you're looking for links and more information on Ag Gag laws visit the Institute for Critical Animal Studies website at http://icasnorthamerica.wordpress.com/projects/ . They provided links to the NPR interview that represents both sides of the debate, which then provides additional links to all the legislation under consideration. Also, I think the OP assumed people knew how to use google to find the information since it's out there all over the Internet. A bunch of people have also posted links within this thread... but it is a shame someone has to sift through it all in order to find what they're looking for. Stop Ag Gag Laws from Passing - http://tinyurl.com/bnlnwu3 - #AgGagBad
I never heard about laws like this till now. Thanks for the other links.
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On April 12 2013 03:41 plated.rawr wrote:
What? They're making taping of animal mistreatment illegal, but the actual treatment is a-ok?
What the motherfuck. AFK, I need to hit something, or someone.
I read all these threads just to read the first response by someone from Norway or Sweden who always responds like this and have no clue what is going on.
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