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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On April 12 2013 04:54 EatThePath wrote: samz you usually have at least debate-worthy things to say, but you know this is bullshit Yea, that really is some bullshit coming from a fellow consumer. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 12 2013 03:41 sam!zdat wrote: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of an animal rights organization?" This reminds me of when i joined the military. "Do you now or have ever joined a terrorist organization?" WHY yes i was just coming back from my Taliban meeting.. or at least i really wanted to crack that joke. Its sort of silly, whats to stop someone from lying about it.. lol | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:04 Barrin wrote: You did it backwards, turn around and try again >.< Are you saying if consumers want to change this then they should boycott corporations that... are following the law? i think you should lead us down this rabbit hole so we can follow the money together. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 12 2013 04:49 sam!zdat wrote: anyone who thinks of themselves as a "consumer" deserves to be fucked. what an undignified appellation well.. you ARE a consumer by definition.. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anyway, whether animal rights should be pursued is a political issue that citizens have the right to be involved in determining. this kind of legislation has no place. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
just because I do something, that means that I am an "X-er"? I masturbate, but if you started conceptualizing my basic identity as a "masturbator" then I would be a bit miffed, and I would feel that you were overlooking some more fundamental aspects of my identity as a human being. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:09 Barrin wrote: Democracy doesn't work when the flow of information is being impeded. When there are laws in place impeding the flow of information, it is no longer reasonable to expect the population to make informed decisions; you are taking away our ability to say "hey, these guys are treating the animals badly, but those guys are. i agree. thats why i fully support the government's ability to search our homes and hard-drives unimpeded and unfettered by laws. i mean, how can our state and federal government function as a democracy without full and accurate information? we are really taking away the ability of the government and populace to say "hey, these guys are pirating games, but those guys arent." oh, wait... edit: Please tell me dAPhREAk, who do you think benefits from this situation the most? that is obvious. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i agree. thats why i fully support the government's ability to search our homes and hard-drives unimpeded and unfettered by laws. i mean, how can our state and federal government function as a democracy without full and accurate information? we are really taking away the ability of the government and populace to say "hey, these guys are pirating games, but those guys arent." oh, wait... that's totally disingenuous. that's only analogous if you think that corporations are people and should be treated like citizens of the polity. oh, wait... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
but of course, this is a probable case of "when in doubt blame economics." | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:17 oneofthem wrote: i think consumer the word in popular usage is selected because it sounds official. in law etc, it is a relational term describing someone's place relative to a producer/seller. it's not meant to be totalizing in the relational usage. it's become totalizing though. people really do think of themselves as "consumers", and not just plato-style "insofar as they consume things" | ||
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote: i agree. thats why i fully support the government's ability to search our homes and hard-drives unimpeded and unfettered by laws. i mean, how can our state and federal government function as a democracy without full and accurate information? we are really taking away the ability of the government and populace to say "hey, these guys are pirating games, but those guys arent." oh, wait... edit: that is obvious. animal rights activists are clearly engaged in a political activity. this is picking sides in a political debate by force. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:24 oneofthem wrote: animal rights activists are clearly engaged in a political activity. this is picking sides in a political debate by force. RIAA. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
not sure what your point is. private public distinction breaks down once we realize it's a political matter (i.e. whether we are a feudal society or a modern society) the reach of private sovereignty. animal rights laws are effective across the boundary of your lawn, so the issue itself is not private entirely. it is also an american tradition that citizens can involve themselves in raising political issues. clearly criminalizing filming a practice that some people consider politically objectionable flies in the face of this whole democracy thing. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 12 2013 05:20 Barrin wrote: This dialogue could be much more constructive if you dropped the sarcastic attitude. For one, this isn't actually a democracy, this is a Democratic Republic. You seem to have wrongfully assumed that I want the government to have full access to information - this couldn't be further from the truth. However, I do want the PEOPLE to have us much information as they have a lawful right to. Could you please explain your position a little more clearly? edit: Who then? Didn't you say the consumers? Let's be clear please. you said follow the money, i followed the money, which turned out to be a fruitless exercise. not sure why you are upset. next time dont post a one liner that makes no sense. you want the people to have as much information as they have a "lawful right to," but then are essentially arguing that animal rights activists should be allowed to break the law to get the information. it does not compute in my mind. i explained my position on the law in my first post in the thread. | ||
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