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On April 12 2013 04:19 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On April 12 2013 04:08 CajunMan wrote:
Well the basis of the law is that these farms are private property so they should be able to control this kind of stuff. I can understand that as long as regulators do there job. It also, however, allows the full closure of all abuses on their property... It's like simply saying "we'll have animal fighting (i.e. dog cage fights) on our private land, it's private, it's alright". Doesn't quite work that way and it shouldn't be either. Well that is different here you are just allowing people to freely go and take pictures of peoples private property and work. You and they are just assuming what they are doing is illegal. I'm not saying if they aren't seen all is good I'm saying with the government doing there job properly this is a nonissue and how it should be. Course that is not how it always is but i am more willing to side with someone's privacy and assuming the better with checkups than forcing an open door policy to anyone that wants access to your private property.
The second you leave responsibility on getting the government to do the peoples job is the second the people no longer can adequately represent their own ideologies and abuses forthwith are intensified. Those are hundreds of thousands of jobs and feed the entire country, the government has an investment in them and as such make judgement calls that the abuses are worth the price vs the abuses whereas us as citizens can interject and inform our politics that this is not the case. Laws like this remove that medium and make meaningful inquiry into abuses illegal.
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On April 12 2013 03:41 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:39 Kukaracha wrote:
requesting new employees to declare any links with animal rights groups "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of an animal rights organization?"
I felt fat once and only ate salads for a month--does that count?
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On April 12 2013 04:22 FarmI3oy wrote:
So many people have problems with big agriculture and worry about how their food gets to their plate. I'm glad I don't have this problem. Every bit of meat I eat is killed, butchered, and cooked with my own two hands. People whine and complain about how animal's are treated when they are being raised for slaughter. They even have the stones to complain about how they die.
Don't like it? Do it yourself or fuck off. I have a better idea. Make legislation that prevents the unnecessary harming of animals and actually enforce it.
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On April 12 2013 04:22 FarmI3oy wrote:
So many people have problems with big agriculture and worry about how their food gets to their plate. I'm glad I don't have this problem. Every bit of meat I eat is killed, butchered, and cooked with my own two hands. People whine and complain about how animal's are treated when they are being raised for slaughter. They even have the stones to complain about how they die.
Don't like it? Do it yourself or fuck off.
these are literally the only 2 options
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these damn abolition...er...crazy animal loving peta hippies. shakes cane
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On April 12 2013 04:29 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:22 FarmI3oy wrote:
So many people have problems with big agriculture and worry about how their food gets to their plate. I'm glad I don't have this problem. Every bit of meat I eat is killed, butchered, and cooked with my own two hands. People whine and complain about how animal's are treated when they are being raised for slaughter. They even have the stones to complain about how they die.
Don't like it? Do it yourself or fuck off. I have a better idea. Make legislation that prevents the unnecessary harming of animals and actually enforce it.
That's crazy european talk!
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Haha, FarmBoy sure is making a lot of friends with his response to the thread...
I'm pretty sure citizens of a country have the right to be outraged at a law created by elected individuals, particularly when the law doesn't represent anything more than a special interest group with a lot of money, rather than the collective (majority) will of the state.
EDIT: If somebody gets amazing footage from inside a slaughterhouse of workers blowing off steam by kicking the chickens for field-goals it seems really unfair that the footage is automatically illegal.
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Oh no the terrorists are trying to stop us from horribly abusing animals for their entire lives!
I guess learning where your food comes from is terrifying for the general public.
It's not sadists that are abusing animals in factory farms. Its factory farms that are abusing animals. By the thousands daily.
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Maybe they should work on getting rid of animal cruelty in the first place instead of criminalizing its taping
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On April 12 2013 04:38 Ettick wrote:
Maybe they should work on getting rid of animal cruelty in the first place instead of criminalizing its taping A legislator's mind works in strange ways.
1) Sees horrible conditions in animal factories.
2) ???
3) Bans taping animal factories instead of enforcing legislation.
Hmmm, I wonder what happened in step 2!
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The laws that US has pushed through in the recent years and are trying to push through makes me wonder what our future will be like. I think its total control with most of the people living in poverty. The worst part is that western people are mostly clueless about it since the western media is not objective at all. I couldn't even find anything about the latest wikileaks leak in Finnish media, or some of the biggest medias in the US. Kissinger just murdered people and such little things and no one gives a crap... ...SICK.
Honestly I don't think theres anything to be done. Your fine if your willing to spin in the system and not question your government. Oh and most of you will barely come along with your 5-7 day a week 8-12 hours a day jobs.
And thats the best case scenario.
Yea I'm optimistic!
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On April 12 2013 04:41 Barrin wrote:
FOLLOW THE MONEY
legislators
campaign contributions by public interest groups
public interest groups funded by big ag corps
big ag corps making money off consumer purchases
consumers.
fuck the consumers!
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On April 12 2013 04:37 ComaDose wrote:I guess learning where your food comes from is terrifying for the general public.
The only thing terrifying about this is that people still will have no respect for the animals. So many people get mad about animal's getting tortured in factory farms. They respond by crying for more laws and regulation over their food. The small guy (small farms and farming communities) take one in the nuts and big business triumph's again because people think crying to the government actually helps them.
Instead of doing something themselves (raising their own food in whatever fashion they see fit) they once again put the ball in someone else's court, then bitches about it.
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On April 12 2013 04:47 FarmI3oy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:37 ComaDose wrote:I guess learning where your food comes from is terrifying for the general public. The only thing terrifying about this is that people still will have no respect for the animals. So many people get mad about animal's getting tortured in factory farms. They respond by crying for more laws and regulation over their food. The small guy (small farms and farming communities) take one in the nuts and big business triumph's again because people think crying to the government actually helps them. Instead of doing something themselves (raising their own food in whatever fashion they see fit) they once again put the ball in someone else's court, then bitches about it.
And for those who are unable to raise their own food, what of them?
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On April 12 2013 04:46 dAPhREAk wrote:legislators campaign contributions by public interest groups public interest groups funded by big ag corps big ag corps making money off consumer purchases consumers. fuck the consumers!
anyone who thinks of themselves as a "consumer" deserves to be fucked. what an undignified appellation
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Is this shit for real? Somewhere something went terribly wrong; can't believe 'terrorism' is still being used as an actual valid argument - someone needs to sort their shit - this is just pathetic.
I'm by no means an animal activist - hell Ill eat those eggs and chicken raised in shoeboxes when money is low, but I wish there was a law against it or atleast means to provide a sustainable alternative. This legislation is just screaming of an industry trying to achieve carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want - and thats never ever a good thing if you claim to be a democracy...
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On April 12 2013 04:49 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:46 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 04:41 Barrin wrote:
FOLLOW THE MONEY legislators campaign contributions by public interest groups public interest groups funded by big ag corps big ag corps making money off consumer purchases consumers. fuck the consumers! anyone who thinks of themselves as a "consumer" deserves to be fucked. what an undignified appellation
samz you usually have at least debate-worthy things to say, but you know this is bullshit
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On April 12 2013 04:54 EatThePath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 04:49 sam!zdat wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 04:41 Barrin wrote:
FOLLOW THE MONEY legislators campaign contributions by public interest groups public interest groups funded by big ag corps big ag corps making money off consumer purchases consumers. fuck the consumers! anyone who thinks of themselves as a "consumer" deserves to be fucked. what an undignified appellation samz you usually have at least debate-worthy things to say, but you know this is bullshit
why? I think the labeling of people as "consumers" is among the most despicable abuses of language in our society. we are not "consumers" and we need to stop thinking of ourselves as such. is the essence of your being really your ability to "consume" things? capitalism thinks so. do you?
it's totally demeaning to human dignity to call people "consumers"
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