Margaret Thatcher dies at age 87 - Page 5
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Sgany
United Kingdom790 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On April 09 2013 00:35 Zystra wrote: Too many Socialists in this thread. Not really trying to derail this thread with a political debate, but I think she hit the nail on the head here. Socialists harp on about how much the 1% earn. Well listen to this, if we were to tax the 1% to the point that they lose more than half of their earnings, they will take their businesses, their ideas, their knowledge and their intellect elsewhere which will doom the other 99% to being much poorer. Well Said and RIP Mags. Disgusting, incredibly disgusting. Rest in Peace Thatcher, the world certainly doesn't need the politics of yours to make a comeback. Oh what am I saying,. its already here... | ||
Keldrath
United States449 Posts
That's the only nice thing I can say about her. | ||
maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 09 2013 00:35 Zystra wrote: Too many Socialists in this thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw Not really trying to derail this thread with a political debate, but I think she hit the nail on the head here. Socialists harp on about how much the 1% earn. Well listen to this, if we were to tax the 1% to the point that they lose more than half of their earnings, they will take their businesses, their ideas, their knowledge and their intellect elsewhere which will doom the other 99% to being much poorer. Well Said and RIP Mags. On the other hand you have top economists like J. Stiglitz saying that more equality would actually make the economy a lot more efficient. Equality would benefit EVERYONE instead of just a few tax evaders at the top. If you really want some downright disturbing figures, I suggest you read The Price of Inequality by J. Stiglitz. 1 in 6 Americans (US) live in poverty. 25% of all children in the US grow up in poverty. Ever since the crisis hit in 2008, unemployment has been increasing all over Europe. The cause of that crisis was a completely deregulated financial market, something Thatcher helped build. How anyone can back those ideas is beyond me, but those who do are generally from families who are well off. It's basically like a king sitting on a golden throne shouting at the poor that it's their fault that they are poor, while he could just melt his throne, share some of it with the poor and have them be more productive, resulting in a stronger economy. Then again, in Europe anno 2013 it's all about "Me, myself and I". Who cares if others are suffering, as long as I get my money. | ||
noddyz
United Kingdom462 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
RIP Margaret Thatcher, Iron Lady, more of a man than all the PMs who followed her combined. Sadly, your service will not be appreciated, because it's apparently cool to hate you. | ||
Shiori
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
If you wish to engage in a discussion regarding Thatcher's legacy rather than her death itself, that should be fine. However, be aware of derailing incredibly hard and starting pointless flame wars. Regular forum rules apply. | ||
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KwarK
United States41934 Posts
On April 09 2013 00:26 BioNova wrote: Greetings TL. I'm going to leave three paragraphs that sum up the first 4 pages of this thread. Glenn Greenwald+ Show Spoiler + http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette No parties here, no tears either. Glenn Greenwald is fucking retarded. "She used her influence to publicly advocate for the 2003 attack on Iraq" "She played a key role in bringing about the first Gulf War" "She was a steadfast friend to Saddam Hussein" Someone should proofread his editorials for internal consistency because he clearly doesn't. It reads like a list of everything guardian readers hate with Thatcher's name pinned onto it. | ||
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KwarK
United States41934 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing At 3 am she's still up working on her speech when an IRA bomb destroys much of her hotel, including her suite, and kills many innocent people. Just an hour after the attempt on her life she's on television showing the country she is still very much alive and capable of leadership. They open Marks and Spencer, a high street clothing shop, early so people can find something to wear and she goes on to the Conservative Party conference as planned, giving her first speech at 9:30 am. "We suffered a tragedy not one of us could have thought would happen in our country. And we picked ourselves up and sorted ourselves out as all good British people do, and I thought, let us stand together for we are British! They were trying to destroy the fundamental freedom that is the birth-right of every British citizen, freedom, justice and democracy". | ||
Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
She was loathed, for good reason, in the North. You would probably have to go as far back as the 18th century Prince William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland to find a domestic politician more widely hated than her in Scotland. RIP to the victims of General Pinochet, her nearest and dearest friend. | ||
Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
I'm not ok with this. The best I can say about her is that she wasn't just another free market crack pot. She was in the first wave of really powerful western free market crack pots. The only inconsistency I can see in the quotes you use is the use of the word "steadfast". Perhaps "fair weather" would be better. | ||
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KwarK
United States41934 Posts
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
![]() Honestly, I didn't care much for her, but there's worse people, too. At least she actually did something =/. I'm an American, so I cannot really speak on the matter personally, anyway. | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On April 09 2013 01:18 MoonBear wrote: I understand that Margaret Thatcher is a very divisive figure in British politics and there are some very strong views on either side. However, wishing ill upon someone or their family after their death is incredibly tactless and vile. You are not required to be sad, nor express your condolences if you have none. However, regular moderation standard still apply here. If you don't want to say anything constructive, perhaps it is best not to post. If you wish to engage in a discussion regarding Thatcher's legacy rather than her death itself, that should be fine. However, be aware of derailing incredibly hard and starting pointless flame wars. Regular forum rules apply. The problem with these threads is that praising, or expressing agreement with her policies is fine, while sharp criticism is usually frowned upon. Obviously, expressing satisfaction over someone's death is tactless (not that I've seen anyone do that) but why should praise be appropriate and criticism not? | ||
Incze
Romania2058 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
She was an important figure. We should discuss her. But what's going on on T.V. right now isn't a discussion it's propaganda in action and I'd love to see TL avoid the worst of it. Backseat moderation is a crime but... well... fuck it. Here would not be a terrible place to look if one wonders what constitutes too far when detracting the dead. On March 06 2013 08:44 Zato-1 wrote: I am glad he died. He inflicted so much pain and misery on the people of Venezuela, progressively ruining that country- South America will be much better off without the rampant populism of this man who was elected democratically but ruled like a dictator, making a mockery of democratic separation of powers, persecuting all dissenting voices, shutting down all media outlets that had enough integrity to stand against him, confiscating private property as he pleased then running it to the ground, like Venezuela's once prosperous metals industries. I hope that now, the people of Venezuela will be able to climb out of the rancid pit that Hugo Chavez has put them in. Was fine. On March 07 2013 06:05 DeepElemBlues wrote: I hope he's having fun burning in hell. User was warned for this post Was not. | ||
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