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On April 08 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
I don't get all this hatred for one of the most cunning politicians of the post-war era.
Rest in peace.
Because you never grew up in the country when she was Prime Minister at the time prehaps?
No one should comment on "how great she was" unless they experienced it personally. I did and i have to say she will not be missed one bit by a hell of a lot of people in the UK trust me. Do not believe the English press on the issue of "greatness" as they are almost all Conservative backed.
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Ding dong the witch is dead.
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On April 08 2013 22:59 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:39 Larkin wrote:On April 08 2013 22:36 Zaros wrote:On April 08 2013 22:33 Larkin wrote:
I'm not going to refrain for one minute from giving my thanks that one of the most bigoted, out of touch, aristocratic politicians Britain has ever seen has finally passed. She single handedly set our economy on a path that does nothing but harm the worker and benefit the business. Obviously in her old age she was just a harmless, slightly kooky old racist but I'm so glad she's gone. Ordinarily it would be representative of the end of an era, but her lapdog Cameron is still around to ruin the country further. How in the hell is she aristocratic, do you even know who she is? As for the rest they are political but show some respect. In the sense that she supported top to bottom over anything else. I can't understand what you meant by that, could you explain?
He is implying that her movements towards polarizing on free-trade, deregulation and economic reform (generally towards privatizing the market) was a 'top down' approach. In reality, it was strangled by greed towards the end of her reign but within respect her movements saved Britain from economic turmoil but like anything good it can be twisted and disfigured.
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On April 08 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
I don't get all this hatred for one of the most cunning politicians of the post-war era.
Rest in peace.
Judging from the 1 v1 match history of post-war era politicians, that honor should go to Deng Xiao-Ping. The dude was a beast.
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On April 08 2013 22:30 Atom Cannister wrote:
This topic should refrain from anything other than RIP and the like, I think.
So are we all to post "RIP"and have a thread full of "RIP"s as if this is a petition thread where every poster is expected to sheepishly only write "/signed"?
I don't see how talking about her politics is out of place. After all, she was a politician. She will be remembered for her politics and neoliberal/conservative ideology.
Oh the irony of politicizing the death of a politician.
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Wow, feels really strange even though I never agreed with her policies. Growing up in the States with an English mother, my family was always trying to get as much news as we could from over there, so hearing about Thatcher was a big part of that. I think people are overstating her 'ballsy attitude' or whatever though lol. Either just coincidence or actual English culture (stiff upper lip), but my mother made her look tame by comparison. Nothing scares a hick back in VA where I grew up more than a strong English woman with a Cockney accent! :D
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On April 08 2013 23:05 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:59 Acertos wrote:On April 08 2013 22:39 Larkin wrote:On April 08 2013 22:36 Zaros wrote:On April 08 2013 22:33 Larkin wrote:
I'm not going to refrain for one minute from giving my thanks that one of the most bigoted, out of touch, aristocratic politicians Britain has ever seen has finally passed. She single handedly set our economy on a path that does nothing but harm the worker and benefit the business. Obviously in her old age she was just a harmless, slightly kooky old racist but I'm so glad she's gone. Ordinarily it would be representative of the end of an era, but her lapdog Cameron is still around to ruin the country further. How in the hell is she aristocratic, do you even know who she is? As for the rest they are political but show some respect. In the sense that she supported top to bottom over anything else. I can't understand what you meant by that, could you explain? He is implying that her movements towards polarizing on free-trade, deregulation and economic reform (generally towards privatizing the market) was a 'top down' approach. In reality, it was strangled by greed towards the end of her reign but within respect her movements saved Britain from economic turmoil but like anything good it can be twisted and disfigured.
Are you seriously suggesting that the destruction of unions and total exploitation of the worker in the 80s was a good thing? When whole towns like Corby were put out of work in one fell swoop, that's just "something good being twisted and disfigured"?
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On April 08 2013 23:13 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:05 Hitch-22 wrote:On April 08 2013 22:59 Acertos wrote:On April 08 2013 22:39 Larkin wrote:On April 08 2013 22:36 Zaros wrote:On April 08 2013 22:33 Larkin wrote:
I'm not going to refrain for one minute from giving my thanks that one of the most bigoted, out of touch, aristocratic politicians Britain has ever seen has finally passed. She single handedly set our economy on a path that does nothing but harm the worker and benefit the business. Obviously in her old age she was just a harmless, slightly kooky old racist but I'm so glad she's gone. Ordinarily it would be representative of the end of an era, but her lapdog Cameron is still around to ruin the country further. How in the hell is she aristocratic, do you even know who she is? As for the rest they are political but show some respect. In the sense that she supported top to bottom over anything else. I can't understand what you meant by that, could you explain? He is implying that her movements towards polarizing on free-trade, deregulation and economic reform (generally towards privatizing the market) was a 'top down' approach. In reality, it was strangled by greed towards the end of her reign but within respect her movements saved Britain from economic turmoil but like anything good it can be twisted and disfigured. Are you seriously suggesting that the destruction of unions and total exploitation of the worker in the 80s was a good thing? When whole towns like Corby were put out of work in one fell swoop, that's just "something good being twisted and disfigured"?
I would and i'm sure many others would too.
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I think it's fine to bring politics into a thread about a politician's death. Of course it should be respectful though.
I disagree with a lot of her policies, but she was an amazing person.
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Good riddance.
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On April 08 2013 23:11 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:30 Atom Cannister wrote:
This topic should refrain from anything other than RIP and the like, I think. So are we all to post "RIP"and have a thread full of "RIP"s as if this is a petition thread where every poster is expected to sheepishly only write "/signed"? I don't see how talking about her politics is out of place. After all, she was a politician. She will be remembered for her politics and neoliberal/conservative ideology. Oh the irony of politicizing the death of a politician.
I just know of the anger I have (I'm Irish) and think that others would be similar. In my opinion, all that anger in one thread could only lead to bad things.
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RIP, a great wartime leader.
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She was definitely a product of her time.
Basically all I can say, other than "RIP" I guess.
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R.I.P.
People seem to be forgetting that the economy was collapsing when she came in to power and the unions had the whole nation at their mercy. There is no question she saved the English economy, some will say she did the wrong move, some will say she did the right move but she did succeed. In addition she played a large role that impacted the Cold War, helping end it. The fact she was voted in 3 times shows how the majority view here. So perhaps people should look at the bigger picture before posting.
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On April 08 2013 23:20 Atom Cannister wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:11 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 08 2013 22:30 Atom Cannister wrote:
This topic should refrain from anything other than RIP and the like, I think. So are we all to post "RIP"and have a thread full of "RIP"s as if this is a petition thread where every poster is expected to sheepishly only write "/signed"? I don't see how talking about her politics is out of place. After all, she was a politician. She will be remembered for her politics and neoliberal/conservative ideology. Oh the irony of politicizing the death of a politician. I just know of the anger I have (I'm Irish) and think that others would be similar. In my opinion, all that anger in one thread could only lead to bad things.
It might lead to bad things, but I think we should give people a chance to at least try. Not that its up to us anyway, but you are kind of assuming that things will go badly without really knowing whether they will. So far things are pretty respectful in this thread. And if some people go over the top, they'll be temp-banned, and discussion will resume as normal!
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On April 08 2013 23:15 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:13 Larkin wrote:On April 08 2013 23:05 Hitch-22 wrote:On April 08 2013 22:59 Acertos wrote:On April 08 2013 22:39 Larkin wrote:On April 08 2013 22:36 Zaros wrote:On April 08 2013 22:33 Larkin wrote:
I'm not going to refrain for one minute from giving my thanks that one of the most bigoted, out of touch, aristocratic politicians Britain has ever seen has finally passed. She single handedly set our economy on a path that does nothing but harm the worker and benefit the business. Obviously in her old age she was just a harmless, slightly kooky old racist but I'm so glad she's gone. Ordinarily it would be representative of the end of an era, but her lapdog Cameron is still around to ruin the country further. How in the hell is she aristocratic, do you even know who she is? As for the rest they are political but show some respect. In the sense that she supported top to bottom over anything else. I can't understand what you meant by that, could you explain? He is implying that her movements towards polarizing on free-trade, deregulation and economic reform (generally towards privatizing the market) was a 'top down' approach. In reality, it was strangled by greed towards the end of her reign but within respect her movements saved Britain from economic turmoil but like anything good it can be twisted and disfigured. Are you seriously suggesting that the destruction of unions and total exploitation of the worker in the 80s was a good thing? When whole towns like Corby were put out of work in one fell swoop, that's just "something good being twisted and disfigured"? I would and i'm sure many others would too.
Count me in. I am very sorry, that there is no politician nowadays which has balls to smack the greddy union leaders on their heads.
She and Reagan were the best that could happen to the well being of the economy, they should be sorely missed.
RIP.
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Il remember Thatcher for her treatment of political prisoners in the North, for sending troops to the Falklands to kill and be killed, for the class based oppression of the Miners in Britain and for the most draconian policies and political hubris ever to grace British politics. She was 'ballsy' and 'Strong' only in the way that Yeltsin was 'ballsy' in sticking to his guns and committing genocide against the Chechens. Although I wont revel in her death, I wouldn't commend her considering the various crimes against humanity she orchestrated.
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From what I've read she was a pretty amazing woman, a very polarizing figure. She cleaned up Britan by clamping down on union rights, destroyed Britain's traditional industrial base and sold off most of the nationalized industries. Her policies hurt a lot of working class famlies and that's why there is a lot of hate for her.
She broke union power that was too strong and holding back the economy, finished off Britan's dying traditional industrial base and paved the way for the growth of a strong service based economy while encouraging private investment and entrepreneurship.
Either way you look at it you either hate her or love her.
RIP
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I remember hearing that parties were planned to celebrate the death of Thatcher for years now (decades). I wonder how much of this will actually go through now that she has actually died. I have little respect for her politics or her personal character, but Alzheimer's is a terrible thing which I've had face-to-face experience with when my grandmother began to succumb to it. I hope that she was able to die with some clarity and peace rather than the murky confusion that comes with Alzheimer's and that her family did not suffer too much from it, although doubtless they did to some degree assuming that they were not all sociopaths.
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