On March 31 2013 15:04 FSUrequiem wrote: Anybody saying immortality sucks is a complete moron. The fact that you don't want to live forever because it would be "boring" is complete and utter bullshit. Face it, the vast, and by vast I mean 99.99 (repeating) percent of the population would take this as being a good thing, so I doubt we have even close to .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the ones who would rather die from stupidity here, or you're the only ones. You don't want to die, because you think the world is over populated, you want others to so you can live forever and then justify it. So you might as well say that we just need less people and this would be perfectly viable when it does, and it will, happen.
Quoting made up percentages and yelling profanities surely does get your point across. What about religion, that's a reason to die isn't it? To go to heaven or such depending on the religion.
I doubt it will ever be okay to murder billions of people so the rich can live longer. I think that the only possible way to reach immortality is through transplants or robotics. Transplants means you need bodies of people and that opens an ENTIRE can of worms on the ethics of killing one person to continue another's life due to lack of consenting donors (think about the waiting lists for heart transplants). Robotics I'm not so sure about because I don't know much about them. But keeping the brain healthy is my main concern, from what I understand the older you get the easier it is for the brain to get sick.
All my opinion of course, I won't pretend to be intelligent.
Quoting made up percentages and yelling profanities surely does get your point across. What about religion, that's a reason to die isn't it? To go to heaven or such depending on the religion.
I doubt it will ever be okay to murder billions of people so the rich can live longer. I think that the only possible way to reach immortality is through transplants or robotics. Transplants means you need bodies of people and that opens an ENTIRE can of worms on the ethics of killing one person to continue another's life due to lack of consenting donors (think about the waiting lists for heart transplants). Robotics I'm not so sure about because I don't know much about them. But keeping the brain healthy is my main concern, from what I understand the older you get the easier it is for the brain to get sick.
All my opinion of course, I won't pretend to be intelligent.
even though the beginning was probably right, we can already transplant, and there are ways to grow organs now to. So I personally do not believe everlasting life is far off. I guess all I was trying to say is that just about everyone wants to live longer, so you might as well admit it, because it is human instinct to preserve one self.
Quoting made up percentages and yelling profanities surely does get your point across. What about religion, that's a reason to die isn't it? To go to heaven or such depending on the religion.
I doubt it will ever be okay to murder billions of people so the rich can live longer. I think that the only possible way to reach immortality is through transplants or robotics. Transplants means you need bodies of people and that opens an ENTIRE can of worms on the ethics of killing one person to continue another's life due to lack of consenting donors (think about the waiting lists for heart transplants). Robotics I'm not so sure about because I don't know much about them. But keeping the brain healthy is my main concern, from what I understand the older you get the easier it is for the brain to get sick.
All my opinion of course, I won't pretend to be intelligent.
even though the beginning was probably right, we can already transplant, and there are ways to grow organs now to. So I personally do not believe everlasting life is far off. I guess all I was trying to say is that just about everyone wants to live longer, so you might as well admit it, because it is human instinct to preserve one self.
Well your brain is going to degrade sooner or later and you can't transplant a brain.
I don't want to live forever, but I wish I could at least live long enough to see first contact with extraterrestrial sentience happens. If there isn't any, then I'll just have to keep living until it does.
On March 31 2013 13:58 Aelfric wrote: No, even if they do i don't think they will let public know about it.
Who's they? This is not an illuminati thread.
They being whoever gains control of the technology... Who the fuck ever said anything about illuminati...???
To answer OP I don't want to live forever in this body on this planet, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is possible before we die.
Seriously dude if you've just invented a gold mine do you really think that in the world of twitter and Facebook that this would remain a secret? In today's world you can fart in Europe and the United States will know about it in minutes. Secrets are a thing of the past now, just ask the USA and wiki leaks.
Information filtering is problematic. The problem is there is way too much info about everything almost everywhere. It is really hard figure out which one is true or not and back it up with proper data. In today's world when someone leaks "they have found immortality" when you can't back it up with proper data and actual demonstration it will just stay as a myth.
And yes, i do believe people that are in control of technology can hide this if they want to. There are leaks that USA goverment has tons of tech weapons that are being used everywhere which improves with military funding. But we never know about the details and there are no proof of them. Do you ever wonder why?
Well your brain is going to degrade sooner or later and you can't transplant a brain
While this is true, there might eventually be a way to prolong the tissue or even reverse tissue decay/ cell death in the brain. Then we just have to work about? Bones?
Well your brain is going to degrade sooner or later and you can't transplant a brain
While this is true, there might eventually be a way to prolong the tissue or even reverse tissue decay/ cell death in the brain. Then we just have to work about? Bones?
As someone who very recently started studying a bit of robotic and is looking forward to ( hopefully ) work in the field of bionics ( hence i read a few things about it ) id say no... it won't be possible.
Let's consider you live to be 80 ( so it's year 2073 ) and you are relatively healthy... you might have a chance to see the people that are "starting" to become "immortal" but unless you are a billionaire you won't be able to have a go at it. I believe the most positive point of view I ever read about having a completely robotic body estimated it would take at least until 2060 and that brain transfer will likely only be possible 10-20 years later.
But you have to also take in consideration that the estimations we have now could be the equivalent of Space odyssey in the 50s, so although people approximate this things now based on the fact that the brain connected prosthesis industry is growing very fast and it's looking very promising in 20 years people might just loss interest and research founding from states could drop up until the point where it would take hundreds of years more to achieve what you want.
And last when you see this "industry" hit its prime you will likely have each and every church goer out on the streets protesting about it, so you could go as far as to say that it might get banned/frowned upon by the state in countries like America, Russia, Polland, Mecix, Argentina, Brazil and even England,France or Spain.
So if we are to be pessimistic you will have only a handful of European countries, China and Japan with private developers that research the things you need for "cyborgs" and do so mostly for immediate commercial purposes and a handful of universities that get state founds to study the field. So even if you are Warren Buffet , one of the Waltons or a king in one of the Arab emirates you will still have to hang in til about 2080-2100 to become (relatively) "immortal".
I'm sorry in advance for anybody who is religious.
IMO (please keep this in mind) religion has caused so many problems in the world that as soon as everyone realizes it, they will stop being religious. Just think what would have happened if we all devoted our lives to science instead of gods. This could already be accomplished by now, and war would probably be non existant under the right circumstances.
Again, I'm sorry to all those who are religious, this is just my experience.
Every time I think of not-existing, I get this black feeling in my heart for a couple days that doesn't go away. I reckon at best I have 70 years of life assuming perfect macro, micro and scouting of potential timing attacks, hope they come up with something, if not i'll keep watching the clock tick counting away my life...
On March 31 2013 16:00 FSUrequiem wrote: I'm sorry in advance for anybody who is religious.
IMO (please keep this in mind) religion has caused so many problems in the world that as soon as everyone realizes it, they will stop being religious. Just think what would have happened if we all devoted our lives to science instead of gods. This could already be accomplished by now, and war would probably be non existant under the right circumstances.
Again, I'm sorry to all those who are religious, this is just my experience.
On March 31 2013 16:00 FSUrequiem wrote: I'm sorry in advance for anybody who is religious.
IMO (please keep this in mind) religion has caused so many problems in the world that as soon as everyone realizes it, they will stop being religious. Just think what would have happened if we all devoted our lives to science instead of gods. This could already be accomplished by now, and war would probably be non existant under the right circumstances.
Again, I'm sorry to all those who are religious, this is just my experience.
Is this idealogy yours or have you been initiated into it? To think that it is the belief in a creator that has caused these troubles is naive and dangerous.
If you spend some time researching history, you will see that it is the manipulation behind the church/organized religions that is to blame. Orchestrating wars is only the tip of the iceberg with these people, mass manipulation is the true crime you should be upset out.
For more information or for an overview of what the future might be , your search words are: Novus ordo seclorum
On March 31 2013 16:00 FSUrequiem wrote: I'm sorry in advance for anybody who is religious.
IMO (please keep this in mind) religion has caused so many problems in the world that as soon as everyone realizes it, they will stop being religious. Just think what would have happened if we all devoted our lives to science instead of gods. This could already be accomplished by now, and war would probably be non existant under the right circumstances.
Again, I'm sorry to all those who are religious, this is just my experience.
Is this idealogy yours or have you been initiated into it? To think that it is the belief in a creator that has caused these troubles is naive and dangerous.
If you spend some time researching history, you will see that it is the manipulation behind the church/organized religions that is to blame. Orchestrating wars is only the tip of the iceberg with these people, mass manipulation is the true crime you should be upset out.
For more information or for an overview of what the future might be , your search words are: Novus ordo seclorum
Or you can pick up the latest book out by Dan Brown. That'll do the trick as well.
On March 31 2013 13:58 Aelfric wrote: No, even if they do i don't think they will let public know about it.
Who's they? This is not an illuminati thread.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I have to agree with the 'public wont' have access to it' sentiment. Just out of common sense, first of all immortality for everybody and anybody would be very problematic. Does every jackass on the block deserve the gift of the Gods? Immortality is not any kind of right guaranteed by any government so people won't be able to demand it. And ye, whoever unlocks this secret will have the most coveted thing on earth. I think that a hush hush circle of people will certainly form around any such discovery. It will attract wealth, power, and secrety if I understand anything about human nature.
On March 31 2013 16:00 FSUrequiem wrote: I'm sorry in advance for anybody who is religious.
IMO (please keep this in mind) religion has caused so many problems in the world that as soon as everyone realizes it, they will stop being religious. Just think what would have happened if we all devoted our lives to science instead of gods. This could already be accomplished by now, and war would probably be non existant under the right circumstances.
Again, I'm sorry to all those who are religious, this is just my experience.
Is this idealogy yours or have you been initiated into it? To think that it is the belief in a creator that has caused these troubles is naive and dangerous.
If you spend some time researching history, you will see that it is the manipulation behind the church/organized religions that is to blame. Orchestrating wars is only the tip of the iceberg with these people, mass manipulation is the true crime you should be upset out.
For more information or for an overview of what the future might be , your search words are: Novus ordo seclorum
Bingo! The belief in a loving creator has never led to anything bad, though the superimposing of aspects of the ego on the creator's character along with other manipulations of religion certainly have.
The thing that worries me most is how our minds will be reacting if we get over even a 100 years of life. the human brain i doubt is made for a 1000+ years of life no matter how immortal we are, there simply also is a mental aspect to it.
Seriously, with all the bullshit happening today. Don't you think death is the only way out.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to live to deal with all this bullshit society has put up forever (I won't be specific about what because I know everyone would get mad). Not saying I want to die now but come on, if you live forever you'd see various shit that would make you want to kill yourself. And if you look at history, it's just shit on a merry-go-round
On March 31 2013 16:30 Lysanias wrote: The thing that worries me most is how our minds will be reacting if we get over even a 100 years of life. the human brain i doubt is made for a 1000+ years of life no matter how immortal we are, there simply also is a mental aspect to it.
I believe it is between 200-300 years of capacity last time I checked. I just cannot imagine a world where we discovered how to be immortal but not figured out how to store more data in our brain.
On March 31 2013 16:32 SheepleArePeopleToo wrote: Seriously, with all the bullshit happening today. Don't you think death is the only way out.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to live to deal with all this bullshit society has put up forever (I won't be specific about what because I know everyone would get mad). Not saying I want to die now but come on, if you live forever you'd see various shit that would make you want to kill yourself. And if you look at history, it's just shit on a merry-go-round
I agree, our society is pretty fked up. However, I believe society will get better. I mean imagine the life in the 50's, then 1900 then before that... Just keep looking back. We have advanced (though do not know how much), our sense of morality allowed us to put forward human rights, environmental protection policies and such. And these advances are only getting better. Maybe we do live in a fked up society, however, your parents were living in a worse society, and their parents before that. Perhaps, the society will suddenly get worse but not according to the current projection.
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