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Hi chaps, long time TL view but never a poster! But i saw this thread and thought i added my 2 cents to this one with a twisted story on how meet and how it all ended and the future.
How we meet
It was a university 3 years ago.... I was doing my honours science and she was doing her bachelors in business. The way we crossed paths was that we ended up in the same learning session doing the same program. The fact that i was wrapped up in my studies...girls never were on the top of my mind. Till that day.
I saw her looking lost and thought to myself.... what the heck... i thought ill give it a go. Got to talk to her and we were the most happiest people in the room but when i said my farewell to her and almost left the room.... But with me and her talking, there was this other guy who was watching us all the time and called me back.. This guy wrote in this piece of paper..
"GET HER NUMBER"
Couldnt say it any clearer. And as a man, I went up to her and straight up, i asked for her number. We exchanged our number and that was the start of it.
The meet
Our first meet, was all friendship goodness and started that way. She said to me straight up that she wasnt looking for a BF right now and i said that was fine. And this went on for like a year being friends and her eventually going to the Netherlands and all to study.
The relationship
I manned up and became to wonder if she was interested in me relationship wise. But what i did when she came from the Netherlands 6 months later... i asked her that if your not interested in the relationship....then ill blow away like the wind and never come back. Somehow she gave in and we officially started dating.
I found out the few reasons why she didnt want a relationship. And thats because of her loosing one of her best friends to a boy she was dating with at the time. Quite scary if you ask me and she became cold as ice and gives more of her trust to her 'brothers' who are her current best friends.
The relationship was going pretty good until....
The break up
It was hard, but understandable. But since i was young chap my emotions took the best of me and acted like a jerk. On my final trip, we went for the "one night" in the hotel and while i was in bed she tells me while im doing it with her.
Her:Your too good for me. You should get another girl
Me: But i want you, your right here with me.
Her: No, please get another girl for me please.
And in my mind, i was like wtf has happened. Then i found out it was break up sex after a good google search. But i also knew a few weeks ago that she was moving back to the netherlands to study. I always thought i was gonna do the long distance thing. But i realised it was never gonna work. She was too popular and too busy to remember me nowadays.
Today
As i wanted to move on. I thought i delete her profile since we never talked like in months anyway. But as you know it...... she looks at my profile the next day. And asked me
'are we still friends?'
I told her a lame excused that yea that my facebook was hacked lade lada. So i re-added her again.
After i added her, I still see that she still wears the coat that i give her and also the ugg boots i brought for her a year ago. I guess she still appreciates what i have gave her.
From time to time, i still have have this wierd gut feeling that I still think about her. Like every day, even though i want to move on. Her name, and memories of her keep appearing on replay. Kinda sucks but i always think if its love or not...
On a rare occasion, there was a time that she wanted me to see her in England for two weeks. I never knew the reason why, but later i figured it out that she was flat broke. It was expensive to travel to england seeing as for me.. I came from Australia. Not only that.... she told me that we should live together..... ?confused much??
So as I write this today, yes i still think about her. And its kinda painful that my friends always have to cop most of my stories about her. But recently we talked to each other and she was heading to MAS for a few months, i thought ill ask her the final questions that If she really wanted me or not.
My 2 cents
Hope you TL nerds enjoy this story of mine.
Cheers
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Her:Your too good for me. You should get another girl
Me: But i want you, your right her with me.
Her: No, please get another girl for me please.
=S
that blows man, I hate it when people can't be straight-up with their emotions
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Awh man, just browsing this thread....
Was going to post mine, but it's so long and harrowing that when I re-read my post before clicked the Post button I just couldn't bring myself to share it. You probably wouldn't believe it anyway.... It's really that level of ridiculous.
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@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
@ Kwark
Thank you for calling him out
Now for my own addition to this thread of woe:
I met her at the launch of the Playstation 3 in Singapore. At the time I was working as a gaming journalist, which to the younger me was really a dream job of playing games and geeking out for a monthly salary. She was a model/photographer and kept a small blog that was moderately well known. The initial meeting still brings a rueful smile when I think about it. I was wearing horrible jeans and the one good shirt I had. We played a bit of Tekken on the PS3 sets on display, and I purposely threw a set to let her win (granted I am horribel at Tekken anyway and it's just a matter of button mashing a little slower haha). I was literally in full nerd mood that night. And when she leaned in to hug me when saying good bye my whole body tensed up because I thought it was inconceivable that a girl like that was hugging me.
One thing led to another, and through some cunning and devious (well not really) plans on my part (well not really - I even used the "oops texted wrong person, btw how are you" trick, which I have been told is incurably silly) we started dating. It was everything I wanted at the time. An attractive, sexually adventurous girl that I could play computer games with! I still remember on the first day I went to university I was happier with my relationship than the fact that I made it to law school. We started getting serious, occasionally staying over at each other's places for long periods of time. We got to known each other's parents, siblings and even extended families. I knew her friends and she knew mine.
In the third year of my university, I got the chance to study in Norway for a year. It was a tought decision to make, to not see her for a whole year. But at the same time I knew that this was a life opportunity that I should not turn down. We had a really really sweet month leading up to my departure, and a tearful good bye. Even though we were in different countries, we still kept the relationship going through skype and letters (something which I loved to write). During the winter, she agreed to come over to visit - I was estatic, and for a while we did a quick trip around Europe seeing the sights, being happily in love.
Then one night in Brussels, we got robbed. Two guys approached us in the night, started pushing us around and grabbed my wallet with 500 euros and credit cards. Everything happened so fast. Looking back, I realize I probably wasn't at my finest hour, since I was just so completly confused at what was happening. I didn't try to fight back until it was took late, by which time they had both ran off into the dark streets and fog. It was quite harrowing, and she took it really badly. I tried my best to keep her calm, but I think I was quite shaken myself.
Some nights later, we had a huge row. I cannot remember what exactly sparked it all off. Possibly something inconsequential. I do remember the painful, gaping silences. The impassioned and ultimately pointless arguments we kept trying to make. Us lying apart in that black room. The silent darkness drinking in our misery which was entirely self imposed and eminently curable if only we had cast away unbending pride for some compassion.
The next morning we tried our best to pick up the pieces, and went on with the trip. Things were alright, and it was easy to fall back into familiar territory. Eventually the trip ended, she went home and I stayed in Norway. Some weeks later, she breaks up over skype. A week after that, I realize that she is now seeing her dentist, who happened to be a woman.
My first reaction was incredulity. The whole thing sounded like some bad porn movie - dating a lesbian dentist! Disbelief gave way to anger, and I sent a torrent of angry emails containing some of the most terrible things I have ever said to a person. Those emails and letters were suffused with righteous indignance, undisguised anger and consequently it became all the more pathetic when I burned out the anger and just felt depressed. Angry letters gave way to increasinly desparate and inchorent ranting. I begged and pleaded to what looked like shameless stoicism on her part. Which just drove me to new lows - was our 3 year relationship so ultimately disposable that she could move on so fast? That she could stone wall me with such chilling nonchalance?
It was a pretty low point in my life. It was winter in Norway with 3 hours of daylight. I sometimes would sit for hours just looking at the snow blow around in the darkness beyond my window. I remember seeing the gusts and swirls of the white stuff churning in the air. I remember walking out in the middle of the night into the darken woods. When it wasn't snowing, it was so beautiful. A stillness in the air that I had never experienced before, and the moon turning the snow on the ground into a sea of silver. I remember just sitting there until I lost feeling in my toes and walked back to take a hot shower. For some reason I showered a lot. Like 4 times a day. Slowly, painfully, I moved on. Dated a bit (it helps that Norwegian girls are so pleasant to look at - thanks Norway!), came back home, finish school and got a proper job.
As fate might have it, we eventually met again and got close. I learned that she left the dentist for another lady, and that eventually did not work out. We tried again, but I think that the wounds of the past were just too raw to reconcile. Some chasms once created are nigh unbridgable. I realized that I had trouble trusting her. She felt that she did not deserve me. In many ways, it was an attempt doomed for failure, and we eventually decided to break up (again).
It is a bitter sweet memory, and had I the chance I probably would have still gone up to her at the playstation 3 party all those years ago. Even now, I sometimes wonder what it would be like to give the relationship one more try (3rd time is the charm after all right?). Ah well. Anyway that is my story - take from it what you will. Thanks for reading if you made it this far!
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Where long distance relationship ends up in no communication, and its always the girl. Sigh, the life of an expat.
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On February 19 2013 04:03 tokicheese wrote:Hahahahah I'm actually dying
I haven't laughed this hard in a good month. Oh man. He laughs a bit but I don't honestly know if I could read that with accuracy without breaking down. That is amazing.
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On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement?
And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right?
And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said.
It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women.
Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender.
And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does.
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I love how words such as feminist and white knight are now losing their original meaning 
And talking from experience, Kwark is most certainly not a white knight, by your definition or the original definition.
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On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find?
I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response.
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I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there.....
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On February 20 2013 01:17 Telcontar wrote:
I guess putting 3 bullets into your partner is right up there.....
Alright, I'll bite........... You have got my attention with that line, please details.
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On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does.
Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
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On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response.
I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!!
I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously.
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On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously.
You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously.
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Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to:
This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell.
I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls.
I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular.
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On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
I disagree I think when someone says something like this:
Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
It is pretty rude. We are here to discuss things, so if you really do not want to read/reply then you are free to do so. Open derision is uncalled for. Kwark was calling Samsung out for that.
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On February 20 2013 01:30 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously. You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously.
LOL ok at this point I can pretty much be assured that you're just trolling. Who said anything about divorces? Why would YOU even factor that into the financial cost of being married? And no, from your writing it's fucking crystal clear that either you weren't joking or you had to resort to a sexist/mysogynistic analogy, which was pathetic or trolltastic. Either way, you just keep digging your own graves, have fun baiting I'm going to watch the fireworks from the sidelines now.
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On February 20 2013 01:33 levelping wrote:Well Samsung, I'm not quite sure to make of your rather aggrieved sounding response. I certainly wasn't implying you wanted a domestic servant, nor literally wanted a woman that only stays in the kitchen. I have looked at your posts in here, and below is what I am responding to: Show nested quote +This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards me.
What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. Now, that being said, I think I am doing the male equivalent of girls who only date bad-boys. Because the majority of good looking girls tend to have bad habits. Why? Because they are allowed to get away with it. Therefore, they learn by experience or from their mothers that they can walk all over men. So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot .
I guess this is just the way the game is played. My plan, as I said earlier, is to take my high social and material currency, take it to a less competitive market (Asia), and hook up with a more traditional girl who is mega hot but comes without the baggage of American women. The majority of my guy friends who have done this exact thing seem WAY happier than my friends who have stuck with American girls. And ALL of these guys were great at getting dates/hooking up with women in the states. They're not pasty-faced neckbeards who go to Asia to become English teachers. They're corporate execs, white-collar professionals, lawyers, businessmen, etc. Only two of them married American girls. One of them is an alcoholic now. The other abuses pharmaceuticals. The ones who married foreign girls have children, got a little fatter, and always have a smile on their face and a joke to tell. I am humoured by your idea that (a) the Asian market is less competitive (seeing as China and India, the two most populous Asian countries have a shortage of women and arranged marriages respectively), (b) Asian women are more traditional (which as a very very broad brush might be true, if you don't mind dating people from villages. In most of the economically advanced cities, I assure you that the women you find probably don't fit your conception of "traditional), and (c) that your "high social and material currency" will assuredly net you these "mega-hot" "traditional" Asian women that do not have baggage of American girls. I hope you can see that in these short paragraphs I have quoted, you have made very wide generalisations about women in general and Asian women in particular.
I did make generalizations. How exactly would I be able to talk in specifics when speaking about cultures and gender norms of behavior?
Also, do a quick comparison of divorce laws and rulings in China and America, and I think you'll quickly see why I am not interested in tying the knot in America. Look at child custody rulings. There is a clear argument for why I'd find American culture poisonous to married men.
I do think the Asian market is less competitive. Even in the first-tier cities of China, the vast majority are working with an income level that doesn't even begin to come close. I'm not sure why you'd try to argue this. But I'm not saying I'm going there to buy a wife. Rather, it's just an environment which I'd have a higher statistical chance of finding what I want, which is a hot atheist Chinese wife who if she leaves won't be taking half my shit and my kids with her.
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On February 20 2013 01:39 EngrishTeacher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 01:29 EngrishTeacher wrote:On February 20 2013 01:12 SamsungStar wrote:On February 20 2013 00:15 levelping wrote:
@ Samsung Star
I'm sorry Samsung Star but I have been following this thread for the past day or two and I must say that your posts do contain a huge amount of negative generalisation that borders on sexism. I was particularly amused by your declaration that you would be moving somewhere where the market is not so competitive like Asia, which I think just betrays your somewhat dated views on Asian women (you are in for a rude shock if you think they just stay in the kitchen), and the great esteem you hold Asian men in (hur hur, I'll just come as someone born in america and show you sods how it's really done).
I hesitate to call you sexist or racist or crazy or whatever, because you do strike me as a logical and reasonable person. However I do think that for reasons that I will not speculate on, you have rationalized certain points of views as inevitable truths, and hence get overly dismissive of alternative view points. Even though I am willing to hazard that in other matters you would be eminently reasonable and open to discourse.
You're in for a rude awakening when you actually read the thread and see what I'm looking for, which is not a cook/maid. Why would I want a cook/maid when I can hire an ah ma for pennies on the dollar to do all that? You realize you can only have one wife, but you can have a hundred maids, right? At a much lower cost, too. It makes absolutely no sense to get a wife for servile purposes. Why do you run into the thread, see one thing you think is misogynistic, then immediately clutch at the biggest box of stereotypes you can find? I've already spent years living in Asia off and on throughout my lifetime and have had Asian gfs hur hur. I have no idea what you're on about with Asian men or born in America show you sods. You're going need to unpack that one a bit more if you want a response. I don't know man, even in a defensive post your writing reeks of sexism and borderline misogyny. A hundred maids cheaper than a wife? Are you fo realla bro? Are you still living in the world where you pay for all of your woman's expenses and get compensated in sex and chores? Even in that society, 100 maids x 2 hours/week (very conservative figure here) x $15/hour = $3000. Now, I suppose you're going to talk about how spending $12K/month on your wife is the norm next amiright?!! I read some of your posts too and I gotta say levelping has a point; perhaps you should do some introspection instead of whipping out that huge e-peen shield so furiously. You aren't familiar with the legal costs of divorce? And I'm just loling that you take the 100 maids line seriously. LOL ok at this point I can pretty much be assured that you're just trolling. Who said anything about divorces? Why would YOU even factor that into the financial cost of being married? And no, from your writing it's fucking crystal clear that either you weren't joking or you had to resort to a sexist/mysogynistic analogy, which was pathetic or trolltastic. Either way, you just keep digging your own graves, have fun baiting I'm going to watch the fireworks from the sidelines now.
Yes, why would I ever consider the possibility of failure in quite possibly the most important financial merger of one's life. I think you're the one who's trolling.
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On February 20 2013 01:26 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 01:04 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing". Okay, so to you asking a question is making a statement? And saying something is exploitative and abusive means it's inferior? Like how America is inferior to Kuwait. Right? And it's meaningless semantics to say men should engage in counter-strategies to deal with the female offensive because I go on to detail how they are offensive. Wait, no it's not. It makes total sense. You're just too busy trying to fit me into the misogynist box to actually read anything that's been said. It's absolutely NOT like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil. What it is, is a man stating there are major social trends at work in Western society that are pushing gender biases in favor of women. Now I know you're a hardcore white knight, but that doesn't give you the privilege of forcing your agenda on me and drawing ridiculous comparisons. Which is all you've been doing so far. Maybe you should go back and read the thread in a less prejudiced way, and you'd see that I never once claimed all women were evil. I \also already openly stated that my experiences are only with a certain subset of women, that I am personally drawn to fucked up women because of my own idiosyncrasies, and that I don't hate women as a gender, but rather the horribly distorted views on relationships and monogamy that Western culture has produced, the blame for which lies on society as a whole, not one gender. And just as a tip, you and that other guy should both learn that starting your posts with insults rarely generates a respectful response. And it's really not the respondent who's being an asshole when he does. Quark gets passionate at times, but it's usually better to just cut him some slack. In this case, though, I do think he's gone a bit too far. His whole argument is essentially an extended ad hominem (SamsungStar is misogynist, ergo his points are invalid) built on a strawman (SamsungStar's points imply misogyny even if they don't explictly state it). It would be much better if he actually addressed things in a rational fashion.
I'm not usually one to get into it like this, but, Kwark is right to call some of this out. Some of these opinions are getting past the point of being healthy. A lot of what Samsung has said is purely empirical rationalizations that turn into blatant generalizations. To be honest, he and and some of the other guys in here have completely ridiculous views of women; the views of men that crazy cat ladies have except in a gender 180. Some of the people in here are being incosistent, referencing Romanticist philosophy to justify actions that have little to do with that thought, and while Romanticists are important to how people view the moden world, their faults seem to be disregarded because they conviently support some people's views in here. They blindly follow while saying everyone else is merely blindly following. Yes, Kwark's argument is fallacious, but even if his logic is bad, his intuition into seeing B.S. is definitely there. Yes, this thread has a purpose, and I've enjoyed reading a lot of these stories and being thankful they didn't happen to me; however, this thread is going to devolve into bitter people spewing hate if we don't check how much bitterness we allow to permeate this thread outside of the stories.
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