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On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart.
every time i see this thread in the sidebar i have to come into this thread just to read this post. so damn funny.
On February 19 2013 12:17 Slardar wrote:I sent IdrA a message about candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach together. He told me to fuck off. 
he did the same thing to me last year
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On February 19 2013 13:30 Lesrah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 10:43 Shelke14 wrote:
So nothing happened between her and kyle? The statement is true then since she hasn't had sex yet, right? Don't get me wrong, those type of girls who play the "OMG, you care more about your friends than me" card because they spend one night with the guys is probably one of the worst characteristics a girl can have. Edit: I've seen a handful of guys lose all their friends due to this and then when the relationship turns sour they are left with no social circle anymore. It is really quite fucked up for women to pull those type of stunts when a guy really likes them but it is also the guys fault for playing along and ignoring his friends. Glad to see your friend took a stand because lots of guys usually cave in and just go to their girlfriends. Thus only creating bitterness for the friends after months of this occurring.
If they actually had sex then the comment would have been quite funny and worth it but it sounds like if they actually just laid there naked.... No harm done, she is still keeping true to the abstinence. I broke up with my girlfriends cuse of this 1 week ago..Always playing the, your friends are always first then me card. lol. Shes the only girl i like, but fuck it. So many fish in the sea, i wanna triez newz girlz
Good for you. People like that disgust me. When she pulled that card all my friends, including Kyle were like "Yeah, okay, she needs to grow up or go." If a girl ever pulls that card on you, it's always a bad sign.
Not part of this, but for me the worst is when people constantly tell each other white lies in a relationship in order to "not hurt them." Then you find out all about it later on and now you feel like you can't trust the person at all. Don't be that person. D:
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On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user?
Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
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On February 19 2013 13:32 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. every time i see this thread in the sidebar i have to come into this thread just to read this post. so damn funny. Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 12:17 Slardar wrote:I sent IdrA a message about candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach together. He told me to fuck off. he did the same thing to me last year
I got a picture of me and Idra at MLG where he looks immensely pissed off and I've got my arm around his shoulders while grinning like a monkey. I think it's coz he just got knocked out of the tourney but I insisted on a picture with him lolol
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oh this thread... there is nothing like schadenfreude to brighten up your day
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On February 19 2013 09:26 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 04:30 iamahydralisk wrote:
I apologize if this is insensitive, but you're lucky it ended before you got in even deeper. I've been in your shoes (dating a devoutly religious girl while being an atheist myself) and I don't know of a single situation in which people have actually made that work. I know a couple who recently married and have a baby on the way. She is devout Christian and he is about as anti-religious as you can get lol. Yes apparently it was a big thing for him but I guess love can overcome it...
Good for them, but I wouldn't consider her "devout" if she's willing to date outside her religion. That's usually a big no-no for people who consider themselves to be devoutly faithful to whatever religion they believe in.
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On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting?
Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you.
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On February 17 2013 05:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 17 2013 04:54 Prevolved wrote:On February 17 2013 04:40 xM(Z wrote:On February 17 2013 04:35 SamsungStar wrote:
This is good advice, capslock and all. The only women I've seen not cheating are the ones who love food more than fucking. And those turn into whales. the sad truth Hahaha this shit is gold. No one ever lays out the truth like this man. But you gotta chill out, a lot of people are not gonna take kindly to this. ignorance is bliss Denial is the first defense mechanism / coping method. I think "love" in some abstract, lingering sentiment sort of way definitely exists. I still love 2 of my ex-gfs. Now, would I trust them? About as far as a dog can shit. But that doesn't mean I don't love them and care about what happens to them for the rest of their lives. Now "LOVE" in the soul-mate, magic for all time sense, that I think is somewhat pushing it... I don't think that exists. And I think that's what the original post was talking about when he said love doesn't exist. I agree, I find long-term, monogamous relationships much more fulfilling. But that doesn't mean it'll last forever. Often, those are the ones that really rip you up inside. I'm not cynical or jaded or try to tell myself I'm never going to love again. I have no problem going back out there and meeting a new girl to take up with and commit to for X years. But so far in my 27 years of life, I have definitely noticed a trend: Women who don't cheat like food more than fucking. Women who cheat often and slut around like fucking more than anything else. Women who have affairs but don't break up like shopping more than food OR fucking.
I was reading through the thread and came upon this, and it made me feel pretty lucky that my girlfriend (of 4 1/2 years) loves food yet has a fast metabolism so she doesn't get fat. I just hope that her metabolism doesn't slow down too much as we get older haha.
Unfortunately I don't have any good break up stories that I can think of at the moment. I think the closest would be when I was 15 years old and a girl I had a crush on, and had shown feelings back told me how she felt on MSN one night like this: aoksialsdmdontalsdlikeasdyouasdnanyasdnmoreasjqsflk
If you didn't catch it:
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On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you.
While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off.
Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men.
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
The post was not a promotion of women as goddesses or even defending their wrongdoings. And this was not a post stating "Bring about the female overlords in order for them to abuse us." This was mostly a criticism of Samsung Star's view on women in general.
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On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men.
Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected.
Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
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On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
I said that it is very difficult to form a relationship with people whom you can barely relate to but attracted to biologically for some reason. This can apply to both straight and gay relationships. And if I remember correctly, I did state that same-sex relationships tend to be just as bullshit as heterosexual.
And my reference to Schopenhauer was out of spite for this thread. I said that his sexism has more worth than the sexism in this thread. Basically, his bigotry is more worthwhile than most of the opinions being discussed.
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On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? ....
I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole.
And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
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On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men.
Did you actually read the post by kwizach?
Because while hardcore feminism gives me the shits, that post was actually (in my opinion) full of solid points when you think about the way many men think about women. It wasn't about demonising men or saying that women should have all the power, it was about social equality. I enjoyed some of Samsung's stories too, but you can't really deny that he has a sexist point of view.
Trying to belittle someone who actually has a decent argument (whether Samsung actually cares to argue about it is up to him entirely) by calling them a white knight is just weak. If you really think that kwizach's post was an example of a "doormat that worships the shit of of women" then you must be so far up your own ass in anti-feminism that you are just as bad as the real man hating feminists out there.
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Together with my first gf for nearly 4 years, everything was going great, we spent almost all our time together for the first couple of years and had lots of fun. She was the clingy kind but I didn't quite mind at that point of time and neglected my friends quite a bit because of that. In the last year of our relationship, I began getting more playful and hung out more with my new uni friends and got to know more girls etc (I was quite a nerd when we first got together  ) She obviously didn't like it and started complaining I was neglecting her. Other than that it was fine and we would still be happy when we met each other, there were no signs of a breakup at all.
Then in the last week of our relationship we got into quite a big quarrel and all of a sudden she starts saying she is tired of being together with me and all sorts of nonsense. At first I thought it was just one of that quarrels where the girl just vents her anger and we would be fine after that. But not this time, she was quite serious about breaking up and suggested taking a one week break. I was desperate, lost, and had no clue of what to do. I rang her up needlessly, bought gifts and flowers, and even booked a hotel room and decorated it with flowers and what not. I lost around 3kg that week and slept like a 5 hours per day. But, at the end of the week, she still persisted with her decision. I gave up at that point of time and decided to man up and move on with my life.
Guess what, a week later I found her attached with another guy on facebook. The had met through a friend's friend and had known each other for about 2 months, not sure whether they went out together when I was still with her. I was fuming at first and scolded her quite a bit through text, but after awhile I realized it was pointless and I wished her well. Haven since or talked to her in about a year, except for our birthdays where we both wished each other and thats it. Girls can be so heartless sometimes, one moment everything's fine and the next they get confused about the relationship. But through this experience I've learnt a lot, and realized many mistakes I made during the relationship and what to do in the future. Now when I think back, the only regret I have is spending so much fucking money that week to try to get her back, if only I could get the money back xD Now I'm with another girl whom I extremely love and we are having a great relationship and I hope I won't have to go through the same thing again.
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On February 19 2013 16:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 16:03 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 15:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2013 15:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On February 19 2013 15:09 Shiragaku wrote:On February 19 2013 13:57 SamsungStar wrote:On February 19 2013 11:57 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2013 11:52 kwizach wrote:
SamsungStar, no offense but your prejudices towards the opposite sex permeate almost all of your posts.
No, what you call "female sexual empowerment" is not about women having a "free license to act without morals or conscience", it's about women being free to do what they want with their bodies without society condemning them for it on the basis of them being women and not men. It's about getting rid of slut-shaming. There is nothing morally wrong about having frequently different sexual partners as long as you're engaging in consensual sex and not taking advantage of the other person, and there should be no difference made between men and women on this matter. Nobody is saying that what is considered to be morally wrong for men (lying/deceiving for sex, abusing a position of power for sex, etc.) shouldn't be morally wrong for women. The point is that what isn't considered morally wrong for men shouldn't be considered morally wrong for women just because they're women.
You wrote "all I ever hear women say about decent men is "yeah... he's nice, but he's kind of boring :\." Then they go right back out to find a bad boy". This is such a ridiculous, caricatural statement that I genuinely wonder if you believe it yourself. If you do, my advice to you is to meet more women, or at least meet women from outside the little bubble you live in. No, women won't say about nice men that they're boring... unless they're boring - people of both sexes can be boring, and even then, it is an eminently subjective judgment. There's nothing about being nice that implies being boring. You can, however, be boring by never challenging/surprising/entertaining the person you're with. And even then, again, some people won't necessarily find you boring. If you actually think that women will "go [...] find a bad boy" because "nice guys are boring", you don't know women, and you probably don't know men either. Women go for guys that they don't find boring, just like men go for women that they don't find boring.
When you write, "this is no more than a feeble counterpunch to the massive amounts of man-hating women engage in at every level of discourse in society", my reply to you is that the only reason you think women are engaged in "massive amounts of man-hating" is that your sexist beliefs are making you both falsely interpret the denunciation of the patriarchal components of our society as "man-hating", and erroneously project over the entirety of the female population the actual sexism that can be found in a small portion of the said population - and their sexism is only a reflection of your own sexist beliefs, which are certainly not held by a smaller portion of the male population.
Finally, you write "What I will say, as a caveat, is that I have only ever had relationships with attractive, fit women. I'm sorry, but I've just never been able to get myself to date a less attractive woman. [...] So, I am probably just bitching about a specific subset of the female population when there are other, more decent, women out there. But they're probably not as hot". I'll repeat that yes, you're bitching about a specific subset of the female population (and even then, I'm not sure you actually understand that subset of the female population, and you're certainly lumping together different subsets of the female population that have nothing to do with each other), but you're just flat-out wrong when you declare that somehow the rest of the female population (which is, let us be clear, not a smaller part than the equivalent rest of the male population) - "decent women" - are "probably not as hot". That comment, however light-hearted it may be, very clearly denotes how ignorant you are of women - and, basically, of society (apparently beyond your circle of acquaintances). No, decent and intelligent women are not "less hot".
TL;DR: a sexist user is unhappy about the denunciation of patriarchal structures and lets his biases completely distort his view of women, men, and the relations between women and men. Did someone just post a feminist deconstruction of a Teamliquid user? Lol.. I stopped reading after the first line. Is it actually worth going through for the lols or is it the typical histrionic ranting? Please, the least you can do is at least make a half-hearted response rather than constantly engaging in this circle jerk with your other depressed male friends. You are only cultivating yourself if you ignore opposing opinions such as these and talking to those who are on a similar wavelength as you. While I agree with the premise that ignoring differing opinions and positions is generally wrong and narrow-minded... I have to say that nothing of value can be gained by listening to internet whiteknights do their best impersonation of a doormat as they worship the shit out of women and defend them no matter the context in hopes that their efforts will one day pay off. Some of the stuff SamsungStar says can be pretty childish sometimes, some of the stories he posts can be pretty far-fetched sometimes... but disregarding all that, I'd say his view on how the world works is far more realistic and accurate than that of these feminist men. I'd say his view on the world is pretty much a mirror of the bullshit we call out man hating feminists on. All he's doing is claiming that the other gender is untrustworthy, motivated by shallow desires and ultimately inferior based upon anecdotal evidence and broad generalisations. It's bullshit when women do it about men and it's bullshit when men do it about women because the only real pattern that can be drawn is that some people are assholes. In this case SamsungStar with his "lol I didn't read your long post cause I'm too cool" is an asshole but let's avoid his mistake and not extrapolate that to all men. Don't call me an asshole for having opposing views. I've responded to dozens of other arguments in this thread already. I'm not going to waste time on a long post of canned arguments. And at what point did I ever say women were inferior? I've been saying the exact opposite, namely that they are superior and are outmaneuvering men in modern day relationships. In this case, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your last line just makes you seem spiteful. Then again, it's Kwark, so pettiness is to be expected. Shira: You referenced Schopenhauer and said you're currently in a MM relationship because you don't think it's possible to form an emotional relationship with women and you're criticizing my views on women? .... I'm calling you an asshole for being an asshole. If you don't want to respond to a big post someone put a lot of effort into then just don't respond to it. Saying you didn't read it then dismissing it as a histrionic rant is an asshole move. Stop being an asshole. And claiming that women exploit and abuse men is part of your "women are bad" theory which I summed up as inferior. Your refutation of "technically I think they're superior because they exploit and abuse men" is meaningless semantics given the wider bitching about women that you do. It'd be like a feminist bitching about how all men are evil because of domestic violence and then when called out as sexist claiming "technically I wasn't sexist because I claimed men are stronger which is a good thing".
I have to agree with you. Especially in situations that affect you emotionally its so seductive to come to any arbitrary conclusions, its kind of an ego protection. A relationship is always between at least two entities which interact reciprocally
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On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote:
You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents.
Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes.
Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school...
My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her...
Oh god my sides
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Story #1 (Language: New Zealand English)
+ Show Spoiler +I was good friends with a girl in high school who seemed to want to be more than just friends. She was averagely good looking (blonde) and was good friends with a super hot (brunette) girl in my computer science class who I sort of casually knew. They both seemed to get a kick out of trying to lead the totally socially inept, geeks on (I guess I was one of them since I hung around there a lot and didn't fit into any cool kids clique).
My blonde friend liked to get into my personal space more than friends should, lightly touching my back with her hand, or my arm etc. I didn't know it at the time, but looking back I now realise she was conditioning me to her touch, one of the opening moves of most plays. I liked talking with her, and was casually interested in her. One day they even compared notes on how to turn a guy on. I was casually in the conversation somehow, I think it’s because all the other males in the computer room were allergic to girls or something. My good friend, the blonde, mentioned that she could turn a guy on by sucking on his fingers and said it was because the fingertips had a lot nerve endings, making them sensitive to the touch, and the tongue. The hot brunette looked at me, and grabbed my hand. She pulled two fingers into her mouth and started to tease them with her tongue, alternating between sucking and caressing. After about fifteen seconds (it seemed more like a minute) she pulled my fingers out and asked if that turned me on. I said no. I lied.
I didn't think I was even close to being on the brunettes level, so even though we would talk, I would teach her things in class and hang out on occasion, I never made a move. I figured she was just teasing, and was too shy and lacked game. I was however interested in the blonde, and through she was pretty into me too. The blonde would sometimes stay in the computer lab at lunch while the uncool kids and I played quake3 over lan. I had pretty good reflexes and a knack for predicting my opponents so I usually came out on top. And sometimes while I was coming out on top, she was there, on top of me.
Just sitting on my lap. Don't get too excited now.
Long story short, the blonde was a little crazy. The stalker type. We were only good friends, but she wanted more. Looking back, I have to be realistic about it. We basically dated without being "official". I guess I played the hard to get, aloof card right without even realising it. That made her a little crazy for me, and she tried for a few months to skip the whole first kiss phase and try and get into my pants. For those of you not in the know, you can tell if a girl wants to get into your pants through analyzing body language, social clues and also noticing the distinct smell some girls seem to get when they are wet. Most guys never seem to mention it, so I don't know if I have a good sense of smell, or if people are just somehow oblivious to it. Anyway, at that stage I was pretty religious, with my parents being Christian, and I had this idea on how real relationships should work: Kiss -> Second Base -> ??? -> Profit. I figured it would be hard to say no to sex, but easy to resist making a move to kiss. I didn't actually like her enough to want to be in a relationship with a girl who was, in all honesty, a little unstable. So I just never made the first move to kiss her. Never did she. So despite all the sexual tension, nothing happened between the blonde and myself, so we remained that "unofficial" couple. I never tried to lead her on or anything, she was the one that did the chasing. She was pretty annoyed at the rejection to be honest and even said at one point that I needed to "grow some balls".
I just wasn't into her in that way.
Over the summer holidays I saw her a lot less. Then not at all. When I started my final year of high school I found out why. Turns out she started dating one of the noobs who I pwned most lunchtimes in the computer room. I still was friends with her though and despite being annoyed and unjustly jealous of her new boyfriend, hung out with her. One day while eating lunch on the field, she exclaimed "oh shit", dove into her bag and popped a pill. I looked at her puzzled, because I didn't know she was on any medication. I looked at her boyfriend (who I guess was a friend of mine) and noticed he looked quite uncomfortable. Then it hit me. That was the morning after pill. She was dating him because she wanted a boy toy and couldn't use me.
I lay down on the field and laughed. It was the loud, bitter laugh of someone who had their naive delusion abruptly shattered.
That was the day I discovered that girls are not totally alien creatures. We both had needs, and since she couldn't get what she wanted from me, she got it elsewhere.
Story #2
+ Show Spoiler +I didn't actually officially date until I was 21. I met a girl through friends of friends. There was a bit of an age gap between us, but she was smart, blonde fun to talk to and had ambitions and plans for her future. She shared the same fundamental beliefs as me, but most importantly; she had a really nice rack. It was the glorious age of social media, so I flirted with her over chat almost every day, before eventually arranging a first date. I scouted a restaurant with a friend the week before. The food and atmosphere was great, and my helpful friend (who was a pretty good looking brunette herself) helped me practice my date conversation skills. I was working at a bank at the time so could afford to splash out. My blonde date wore a sexy, low cut blue dress. She loved the food and atmosphere, it was a French restaurant and one of the more romantic in the city. She took French in high school and I had learned a bit of French just so we could have Facebook and Text conversations in French. I was a quick learner and I think I was actually kind of impressive with my sneaky powers of Google translate. After dinner (I paid) we went to the movies, totally forgot what movie we watched, it wasn't important. It usually isn't, so long as the movie wasn't terrible. It gives a great starting point, and indicates you are willing to spend a little cash. (Consider it a down payment to indicate your interest without actually saying anything). After the movie finished we walked out and I was happy with how the date had gone. It was getting late, and we had done everything I had planned. She had a great time, I had a great time. I could have let the night finish, but I felt something was missing. So I winged it. Instead of heading back to the car, we went for a walk down the street. The night air was crisp but moving helped keep us warm. Eventually I found a bench in the CBD so we could sit down and talk. It was cold so we moved closer. Then we cuddled. Then, with my head resting on her ample bosom, we kissed. I was 21, and it was my first kiss. It was her first kiss. We didn't really know what we were doing, but my heart was racing and we were pretty eager to find out. I lost track of time as we made out on that park bench. My blonde date must have had more imagination then I did, because that night she taught me to French kiss, and I found that I really, really liked it. We decided to make our relationship official right after that. Her parents gave her a curfew, so my hot, blonde date had to head back eventually. I walked her to her car, said good night and as she moved to open the car door, pulled her close and stole one last, lingering kiss from her lips. She must have been a little dazed after that because she forgot to reverse and ended up hitting the parking meter in front of her instead. The next day we were officially a couple, and you know it’s official when it’s Facebook official. I lived an hour and a half drive away, and we were both busy studying. That was the first and last date I ever had with her. I had never met her parents but apparently they didn't approve of their daughter dating. Eventually she stopped talking to me and broke up via a text message. That cut deep. Not the break up, we had only dated once and it went fantastic, but that she didn't even do me the courtesy of a phone call. Her text felt like a stab wound to the heart and I through she had flimsy reason for breaking up. The trolling I got from one of her friends was almost as bad, but I forced myself to ignore to destroy. My ex found out and asked her friend to stop, and apologised for it. Looking back, I was mostly bitter about waiting so long, only to have my first “real” relationship to fail so quickly. Sure I went on dates with girls before that, but only as good friends, never as “girlfriend” and “Boyfriend”. It wasn't that I was afraid to commit, it’s just that I think I was happy to wait for the right person, and when I finally thought I had found her she ripped my heart out with a SMS. I never went all in before, because I wanted to be confident of my hand before committing anything. Turns out you can lose with a K-Q to the flop even easier than you can to the river. Also turns out I’m bad with poker analogies.
Epilogue
+ Show Spoiler +Four years later, my ex and I are still friends on Facebook and she is still single. I guess she really did want to focus on her career. I have been dating my fiancé for over two years now, we are getting married in less than a year now. She is totally in love with me, and I am totally into her in a very big way. I’m not totally whipped, but still, life is more exciting when she is around.
I’m a Marketer by profession, and have developed into a bit of a natural flirt. I find it easier to strike up conversations with girls then guys, so It’s not like I don’t have options, but am fiercely loyal and have finally found a girl I can bet everything on. I’m her second boyfriend, she broke up with her ultra conservative high school sweetheart years ago, so I was her first kiss and her first real relationship. I met him a few times. Nice guy. Totally clueless with the ladies. (Having several really good friends who are girls goes a long way to understanding what goes on inside women’s heads.)
My fiancé is the best person I have ever met, and I am glad to have waited as long as I did instead of settling for just any girl. She is smart, charming, loving, competitive, Christian, has a natural tan, athletic and looks great in a bikini (12D). I have an IQ of 140, and I can still easily lose a game of chess to her if I am not careful. Best of all, she has dark hair, which totally seals the deal for me.
Ps. The best man at my wedding is going to be a woman. Most people would consider this a bad idea; For obvious reasons.
Pps. I don’t care. My best friend is a woman and I believe honesty and transparency is a good policy for any business or relationship.
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