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On February 17 2013 12:27 tokicheese wrote:My first serious GF I had in highschool was fucking crazy... We fought pretty much every day after school and I was stupid as hell and didn't leave her. We had sex for like the third time a few days before I went camping and promised to call. I didn't end up calling her once on the trip because there was another group of super cute girls who were staying there too. I ended up hooking up with one of the girls for most of the trip I finally decided I was tired of her shit. (getting laid more times in a week than a year long relationship opens your eyes lol) When I got home she called and asked if I wanted to hang out and I told her not at all. So she said "well do you want to break up then?" She didn't really mean it but I said Sure and she went quiet for a minute. She pulled this shit all the time when we would fight and we broke up a bunch of times already before this. I told a friend of mine what happened when I was camping later that day and he was acting like a bro about it but I found out later that my now Ex was trying to fuck him constantly while we were dating and that this was pretty well known in my circle of friends. The only reason I found out about her doing that was because someone let it slip while we were talking. Then everyone was like "oh man I'm sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings or cause trouble". I don't feel any remorse about doing what I did. I did feel bad before I knew she was trying to hook up with him but after I found out I couldn't give less of a fuck. I guess being cheated on really fucked her up and pissed her off because our group of friends always went to this party house and she turned into a huggggeeeeeee slut for the rest of the summer. She was always trying to one up me if I brought a girl she would be all over whatever random guy was there that night. I remember one night we were smoking in the front yard and she was trying to get this one guy to fight me. He was like why the fuck would I fight him he's one of the nicest guys I know? They ended up making out on some random car and he fingered her in front of like 7 people o.o. Another night I ended up in bed with her best friend and we were getting down to business and she was just texting the poor girl all night telling her that I was soooo mean, was bipolar, cut myself, hit her and trying to call her at like 4 in the morning. The girl just threw her phone across the room so we could finish up though  . She would constantly text me alternating between calling me a dick and then minutes later begging me to take her back and eventually I just snapped and basically told her to fuck off and that I broke up with you so I wouldn't have to deal with all of your immature shit/Grow the fuck up and move on or stop talking to me. At the start of the school year in Gr11 she started dating some guy and in the year long relationship she cheated on him 3 times and then got fingered in a crowded room in a party, went on a boat with a bunch of Frat guys got naked and fucked the boats owner and I'm sure there is even more that I don't know. She claimed she was the victim after all of this when he left her and she lost pretty much every single one of her friends who she knew since elementary school because they liked the guy more than her. Idk why he would stay with her when she cheated on him so many times but w.e. It was weird because it took months until she would sleep with me I think it's just because she was a virgin but meh. The reason it was shitty is because I thought I had really good friends but I found out otherwise. Who the fuck wouldn't tell one of their closest friends that their gf is trying to fuck them? It wasn't a secret like 6 people knew. The same kids who didn't tell me also bailed on me to hang out with her and wouldn't tell me about parties because she was there. I mean girls come and go but "your bros are supposed to be your bros bro" thats what hurt me the most.
My guess is she wasn't "trying" to fuck him. She WAS fucking him. And it was simply after you guys broke up that everyone else stopped helping her hide her whoreness. Btw those guys weren't your friends.
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On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation.
The explanation is simple and that is the aging process. The older we get, the more power we gain and thus the more respect and eventually more pussies. But for women, the further she gets away from her prime, the more paranoid she gets about her image. That's why she have makeups, over 9k of shoes and clothing to upkeep her beautiful illusion. So she have NO time to waste with a men who isn't high on the social ladder. So women would recklessly break up with men as it is countdown to nothing for her.
On February 17 2013 13:12 Reedjr wrote: Can there ever be a thread on here about gender relations that doesn't end up like an offshoot of r/mensrights?
Well why don't you get some women in here! We'll gladly welcome them with our testosterone!
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On February 17 2013 08:40 Shiragaku wrote: The worst part of a breakup is when people resort to sexism or become great pseudo-philosophers on love as a defense mechanism. This is pretty much what I was thinking while reading this thread. Watching the people in this thread quote PUAs and make bold statements about how only girls treat guys or how one should never expect love to last is really entertaining. I'm glad that I've never had this bad of a breakup, my worst wasn't even that bad it was just kind of scarring.
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On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff.
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On February 17 2013 13:17 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:27 tokicheese wrote:My first serious GF I had in highschool was fucking crazy... We fought pretty much every day after school and I was stupid as hell and didn't leave her. We had sex for like the third time a few days before I went camping and promised to call. I didn't end up calling her once on the trip because there was another group of super cute girls who were staying there too. I ended up hooking up with one of the girls for most of the trip I finally decided I was tired of her shit. (getting laid more times in a week than a year long relationship opens your eyes lol) When I got home she called and asked if I wanted to hang out and I told her not at all. So she said "well do you want to break up then?" She didn't really mean it but I said Sure and she went quiet for a minute. She pulled this shit all the time when we would fight and we broke up a bunch of times already before this. I told a friend of mine what happened when I was camping later that day and he was acting like a bro about it but I found out later that my now Ex was trying to fuck him constantly while we were dating and that this was pretty well known in my circle of friends. The only reason I found out about her doing that was because someone let it slip while we were talking. Then everyone was like "oh man I'm sorry I didn't want to hurt your feelings or cause trouble". I don't feel any remorse about doing what I did. I did feel bad before I knew she was trying to hook up with him but after I found out I couldn't give less of a fuck. I guess being cheated on really fucked her up and pissed her off because our group of friends always went to this party house and she turned into a huggggeeeeeee slut for the rest of the summer. She was always trying to one up me if I brought a girl she would be all over whatever random guy was there that night. I remember one night we were smoking in the front yard and she was trying to get this one guy to fight me. He was like why the fuck would I fight him he's one of the nicest guys I know? They ended up making out on some random car and he fingered her in front of like 7 people o.o. Another night I ended up in bed with her best friend and we were getting down to business and she was just texting the poor girl all night telling her that I was soooo mean, was bipolar, cut myself, hit her and trying to call her at like 4 in the morning. The girl just threw her phone across the room so we could finish up though  . She would constantly text me alternating between calling me a dick and then minutes later begging me to take her back and eventually I just snapped and basically told her to fuck off and that I broke up with you so I wouldn't have to deal with all of your immature shit/Grow the fuck up and move on or stop talking to me. At the start of the school year in Gr11 she started dating some guy and in the year long relationship she cheated on him 3 times and then got fingered in a crowded room in a party, went on a boat with a bunch of Frat guys got naked and fucked the boats owner and I'm sure there is even more that I don't know. She claimed she was the victim after all of this when he left her and she lost pretty much every single one of her friends who she knew since elementary school because they liked the guy more than her. Idk why he would stay with her when she cheated on him so many times but w.e. It was weird because it took months until she would sleep with me I think it's just because she was a virgin but meh. The reason it was shitty is because I thought I had really good friends but I found out otherwise. Who the fuck wouldn't tell one of their closest friends that their gf is trying to fuck them? It wasn't a secret like 6 people knew. The same kids who didn't tell me also bailed on me to hang out with her and wouldn't tell me about parties because she was there. I mean girls come and go but "your bros are supposed to be your bros bro" thats what hurt me the most. My guess is she wasn't "trying" to fuck him. She WAS fucking him. And it was simply after you guys broke up that everyone else stopped helping her hide her whoreness. Btw those guys weren't your friends. I'm well aware they weren't so I stopped hanging out with them completely a loonnngggg time ago.
I don't think she ever fucked him. He told me supposedly everything a few nights after I found out. All of the times she was trying to hook up with him they were at a really "square" families house. They got mad at people for making out so I doubt they ever got the chance. But maybe they did meh.
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On February 17 2013 12:46 ArcticFox wrote:This is one long ass post, so I'll spoiler it as best as I can. How we got together:+ Show Spoiler [The crush and the relationship] +I had a crush on the same girl from the first time I saw her. In first grade. I'm going to call her Marie. (In later years, my mother would remark that I came home the first say I saw her and said, "Mommy, today I saw the girl I'm going to marry!" Adorable.)
For some background here, I was the fat kid growing up. I was also the smart kid in class. I was also retentively shy. That combination pretty much meant I got my ass beaten daily from first grade all the way up through eighth. Which made me more shy. I was not exactly a ladies' man by any stretch. I did talk to Marie more or less every day, but in that shy dorky way...well hell, for the most part we grew up geeks and nerds, you know what I mean here.
By high school I dropped the weight, filled out my frame, but was still very much the shy kid. And Marie was constantly taken. She was the head cheerleader, the prom queen, all the stuff reserved for the most popular and prettiest girl in school, but wasn't the stereotypical airhead either. She was smart, articulate, hot as hell (perfect ass....years later I can still see it when I close my eyes...), and most importantly she was still sweet and was friendly to everyone, including my still-socially-backwards self. She had the same boyfriend for the last 3 years of high school, everyone figured they were perfect for each other and were going to be married, and that was pretty much all there was to that. We had classes together where I would talk to her, do group work together, and we would talk and laugh, we'd eat lunch together, but that's as far as it ever went. It was just another school years crush story that ends like they all do -- guy pines over girl for years, does nothing about it, they both graduate and go to separate colleges 2 hours apart, and never speak to each other again.
....that is, until the next summer.
A year at college will do wonders for reinventing yourself. (cue everyone nodding remembering their first year of college) Coming home for the summer, I was out with a couple of friends picking up a pizza, when a group of girls walk in. Leading the group, who do i see? Her brown hair was longer than I remember, but her perfect curves and winning smile were unmistakable -- it was Marie, also home for the summer. When she saw me, she ran straight to me and jumped up to give me a huge hug (I'm 6'0", she's maybe 5'1" on a good day). We talked for a bit, but our order came up fast and we had to go. However, I'd become rather emboldened in the prior year, and instead of just nodding and continuing on my way, I told her we should probably get together and do something, since we're both home for the summer. She enthusiastically agreed, gave me her number, and off I went with the biggest dorky grin on my face.
I even remember the first phone call -- because this was before cell phones were a big thing (man, am I dating myself here or what? older dudes represent!), so I remember getting ahold of her Dad when I tried calling her, and him laughing because I've known him forever and him yelling, "Hey Marie, come answer the phone before this one gets away."
Anyway, to cut this part short, because you get the point by now -- we ended up dating over the summer, seeing each other 3-4 times a week. I, somehow, had ended up with the girl who I had crushed on for almost my entire cognitive life. And it was every bit as amazing as I imagined it would be.
After Summer was over, we went back to our colleges that were 2 hours away, but we would take turns driving to each other's colleges as soon as classes were out on Friday, and leave late Sunday. Yes, we were sickening, yes we were that couple, and yes, I enjoyed every damn minute of it. TL;DR:+ Show Spoiler [TLDR for How we got together] +Shy, dorky, fat kid drops weight in High School and mans up in college, ends up in a relationship with the girl he'd crushed on for 13 years. ------------------------ The decline and the surprise:+ Show Spoiler [The breakup] +Fast-forward to a year and a half later. Relationship has been going great. We saw each other every weekend, got together and basically spent the whole summer together, all the sweet saccharine shit you see in the movies. The sex was great too -- though I could tell she was definitely more experienced than me by that point, and she taught me a lot to be sure. We talked about all things, including getting married right after college.
About the only complaint I could come up with is that she liked to spend money. Mind you, I was a college student without a job, so I wasn't exactly sugar daddying, but I did my best to spoil her as best I could. She always complained that she was broke (well stop shopping, woman!) and that she didn't know if she could make tuition etc etc.
By the time Thanksgiving rolls around (been dating for ~18 mos. by this point), I can tell something's just not right. We're getting together just as often, she's just as happy as always, but something's just....off. Looking back, I know what was different -- the money talk stopped without any real change. She seemed to be just a little out of it all the time. She would space out while talking, which she never did before. As the weeks wore on a little, she started withdrawing a little bit at a time. I was too naive at the time to know, and even at this age, I'm not sure I would have been prepared for what I found out later....
Valentine's Day. Marie worked at a fairly classy restaurant, which is obviously going to be busy on Valentine's Day and the year before she had to work, so we had to celebrate on the weekend. This year was no different. She told me the weekend before that she was going to be busy working and couldn't get together. Of course, being awesome like I am, I decided to surprise her and make the drive anyway to pick her up after work and spend a little time together. I drove up to the restaurant, dressed up in my awesome suit, and walked in to ask the girl up front where Marie was.
She wasn't working that night.
I was more confused than anything. Surely I got the date right...duh, Valentine's Day, of course I did. Maybe she got her schedule confused....oh shit, did she try to surprise me the same way? Because that would be hilarious, and also something we would do. They let me use the phone there to call her apartment (no cell phones yet, remember?), and there was no answer. I called up to my place, and there was no answer there either.
At this point, I'm at a real loss for what to do...starting to get a little irritated, and more than a little worried, I thanked the girl for letting me use the phone, hopped in my truck (yep), and headed over to her apartment. She's not there either, but her roommate was home at least. I assume she must have just gotten home, since nobody answered when I called. I knocked on the door and she came to answer.
"What are you doing here?"
You know -- it's Valentine's Day, I'm in a suit, and she asks why I'm there. No "hi." No "wow, you look great." Something serious is up.
"Hey Lynn. I went to surprise Marie at work and she's not there. Any idea where she is?" "Ah...you know...I don't...I haven't seen her, I just got home from work."
Any pretense of hope I had was shattering quickly. I've known Lynn for a while now too. Her eyes were just sad when they looked at me, just like they had been the last few weeks.
I shoved my foot in the door. "Lynn. What's going on? Just tell me." "You can wait for her here." And not another word.
It was about 8pm or so when I got there. It was nearly midnight when she crawled in. She flipped on the light and saw me, sitting on the couch, watching TV. Her normally bright, blue eyes were completely lifeless. Her hair was matted down, her lipstick was smeared, and she was wearing a short blue dress that didn't suit her at all.
"Happy Valentine's Day, babe," I said. I'm sure my tone wasn't incredibly loving.
She broke down crying. I remember feeling nothing, as she collapsed on top of me, sobbing into my shoulder and started talking about the last 4 months. About how she looked for another job. How a friend at work told her how much money she made stripping. How she made such good money. How customers offered to pay to sleep with her. Good money. How she refused over and over. How one of the other girls hooked her up with "a guy" that would "treat her right." How she tried all these different drugs. How she now had a heroin habit. And then, she needed a way to pay for it, and with her job, had an easy access to money....
All of this, happening right under my nose. I was a 19 year old kid, it was my first long-term relationship, and I had no idea how to process any of this. I was angry. I was sad. I was crushed. I wanted to hug her and tell her that everything would be ok. I wanted to scream and yell and tell her she was an idiot and I couldn't believe she would be so stupid.
I hugged her tight and stroked her hair. "We'll get through this." She sobbed harder. She cried until she fell asleep.
Jesus, I'm in my thirties now, and I can still remember the sounds. It was just like....pure pain. It's actually hurting to write this. More than I thought it would. Shit.
I put Marie to bed and stayed up to talk to Lynn. Neither of us were really sure what triggered her to do what she did. To this day I still don't know. I asked Lynn how bad the addiction was. Bad enough that even while crying and confessing, Marie had lied to me about how long she'd been doing it. Fuck.
Next morning, Lynn and I talk to Marie. She needs to get clean. I'll be there every step of the way. I've had the whole night to think about it. She's precious to me. She's made some bad decisions. Horrible ones. But we can work through it. We can get her clean, and....
Summer rolls around. She's still using. She's getting angrier and withdrawing more and more from me. We fight more often. I tell her she needs to go to rehab. She tells me I need to go to Hell. Lynn catches her using and bitches her out. She brings the stuff to *my* place now, since I know she was using, thinking I'd be ok with it, or at least wouldn't say anything. Of course I tell her to get that shit out of here. We yell at each other. I finally threaten to tell her parents and get her some real help if she won't quit. She straight up hits me and leaves.
I'm cutting this short, because it's fucking long -- I finally tell her parents what's going on because I want to see her get the help she needs. She, of course, breaks up with me the second she finds out. At this point I don't even care, I'm a little relived -- it's been months of hell, plus she needs the help. TL;DR:+ Show Spoiler +Show up for Valentine's Day, find out my g/f of almost 2 years has been stripping, whoring, and is a heroin addict. After trying to help her get clean for 3ish months, I get fed up and tell her parents so she can get some help, and she breaks things off. Seriously, it's worth a read, I spent enough time writing it.  --------------------------------- The aftermath:+ Show Spoiler +I know that she's been clean for at least a few years now, married, with a couple of adorable children. I learned a lot during that time. Definitely would handle it differently now (was a lot more passive person back then, and much less cynical/more trusting), but I have a story to tell I guess.
Thankfully not all of my relationships have been quite THAT drama filled, but I have a lot of stories I could tell. But the first cut's always the deepest, right?
Jesus what a bummer man. Great storytelling btw. But yeah, jesus, that is one terrible experience. I'll never understand why girls sometimes just totally implode. I've seen multiple girls do this and I can't for the life of me understand why. Everything's going okay, their lives are on a rather average but not fucked up trajectory, and then out of nowhere BOOM. They just go way off the rails.
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On February 17 2013 12:30 micronesia wrote: Some neighbors/friends were married for ~30 years, had two kids in their twenties, until the wife/mom met up with an old childhood boyfriend and suddenly broke up with the husband/family and moved away. It was a shock to everyone. I dont know why but I find it sweet. Two old lovers finally realizing their relationship. They are in their 50s, right? From how I see it, it's like a never too old for love or better late than never thing. The family is old enough to handle it I suppose.
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ArticFox reading that story made me anxious, that is some brutal shit man.
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On February 17 2013 00:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:51 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:40 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 00:22 Kaeru wrote:On February 17 2013 00:02 mordk wrote:On February 16 2013 23:03 Kaeru wrote:On February 16 2013 22:08 Kickboxer wrote: You come home oblivious after a bitch day of menial work and some guy is banging your fiance. Enraged, you charge at them but the guy knows MMA and stops you with a stiff jab, stunning you in the process. Flailing around like a deranged crane in a fit of obscene rage, you manage to somehow take him down but he gets you in a triangle choke, butt naked. His balls, still wet from your now ex-gf's juices, are slobbering all over your face and just before you lose consciousness he manages to squeeze in a faint fart. LOOOL! What the fuck. That's... Close the thread. Hahaha nothing tops that. Anyway, I'm gonna write my old story. How we meet:+ Show Spoiler +It was not my first relationship and I had a relationship that was 2 years long just before I meet her. I actually broke up with the other girl because I saw a picture of this girl on a Taekwondo online community and I thought she was soooo hot that I decided to break up with my girlfriend and go all-in to get this hot asian girl that practise martial arts...
So. I was a member at this online community and we exchanged a few words. After that I decided to go to her Taekwondo club (it was really close to my house, while my own club was far away). I trained, we talked, she was really shy, I asked her out, she said yes, we got together. Our relationship:+ Show Spoiler +We both loved art and drawing. We always did these really cute pictures for one and other. We trained Taekwondo at a quite high level in Sweden and trained 5 times a week together, went to competitions all over Sweden together. We almost never argued and even if we did it was never anything serious. We did a lot of romantic gestures, ate dinners, drank wine, sweet moments and all that.
I liked her so much and we spent so much time together. Both me and her are terrible liers, our eyes just reflect everything. I knew all her different ways of looking at me, smiling at me and talking to me. She couldn't hide anything from me and I couldn't hide anything from her.
The first year was just great! The problem starts:+ Show Spoiler +One day we were at her place and she was going to have a dinner with all her girl friends. They came over, about 7 girls and they asked me to stay. I said no it's more fun for my girlfriend if she can enjoy the boy-talk conversations without having to think about me being there - so I left.
Later that night she called me and asked what I was doing. I was at a bar with my friends from work, she sounded really drunk and I told her to take care of herself.
Two days later I meet her at town, we were going to a café... When she was like 10 meters away from me, I got the wierdest feeling in the world. It felt like I was walking towards a cliff and when I hugged her and gave her a kiss, it felt just like i was falling down the cliff. It was sooo scary and my pulse went up really high.
I looked at her and asked her how she was, she said she was ok and said my eyes were water filled. I said that I didn't know why, I was feeling really wierd and I asked her if we could just go home. During the trip home with buss I was DEAD silent. She tried to say something but I was in my own world thinking about the wierd feelings I had... She started to look more and more nervous, asked what was wrong (I didn't know myself, I never had the feeling before!).
I thought about EVERYTHING I could come up with... We went off the buss and my final decision came out of the blue... "You know that I love you, but we can't be together anymore." she just sat down and started to cry on the ground and I walked home...
I had NO idea what I had done or why... I just followed my instincts and heart. Later that night she called me and I meet her outside my apartment. She was crying and asked what the fuck was wrong with me... I told her that her eyes look dead to me. Then I asked if she had sex with someone else...
She punched me. This girl, one of the best girl fighters I've ever seen... It fucking hurt a lot. But I didn't care and I asked same question again. She answered NO! WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK THAT...?! I had no answer, I just knew.
We broke up for a month but saw each other almost every day at Taekwondo trainings. After a month we started seeing each other again... We got back together and just left all that behind us.
One year later she called me while I was at work. Her voice was in total panic and she was crying "I need to talk to you." I already understood what it was about. When we meet she said "The last year we had so many competitions together, we have always supported each other and we are so close... I can't lie anymore. Last year when you asked me if I had sex with someone else - I had. It was after the girls dinner, some guys from our class came over, I was really drunk and ended up having sex with someone".
There were two tourists singing just next to us, I turned around and screamed at them "SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I WILL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.". They ran away and I turned to the girl and told her "You know I will forgive you, but it might take some time.".
I thought about it - why would she want to tell me now? I did some research, asked some people and it turned out that the guy had told her that unless she tells me - he would. He basically forced her to tell me. I got so angry, who the fuck does he think he is to force my girlfriend to do something she didn't want to do?
I took a day off from work, went to their class and kicked the living shit out of him in-front of his teacher and the entire class. No one called the police, I don't think he dared to... After that our relationship was really bad... Total chaos:+ Show Spoiler +We argued a lot. I loved her and she loved me but I didn't want her to touch me, same time I didn't want to be away from her. It kept going for a few months before she meet some guy... We both ended up hating each other but at the same time we couldn't be apart. We broke up and got together every other week... She didn't want me to meet someone else and I didn't want her to meet someone else. We simply didn't know how to solve things - mostly because we lived VERY close to each other and we trained (at that time) about 2 hours every day together.
She called me and asked if I was going to training, I said yes. She wanted to meet me after and I said ok. When I called her she said she had to change plans and were going to see her mom. In the background I heard a kid yell "Mom, there Grönalund" an amusement park in Stockholm.
I went there but figured that it was too late to go to an amusement park. Next to it there is a huge park / zoo. I bought a ticket and walked in... She was standing and holding hands with a friend of mine. I watched them for 2-3 minutes before they started to kiss, I went up and said "What a cute couple you two are.". They didn't know what to do. The girl said "We are just friends, you know I love you". My friend just said "I'm sorry..."
I told her that at least we don't need to play around anymore. It felt good. I walked away and they ended up together... It was really funny. Because he had trained Kung Fu for 10 years and had black belt in Taekwondo... One day she took him together with his friend to MY Taekwondo club.
My coach told me "Don't worry, I'll tell them they have to leave." I responded "No, it's fighting training today. Let me fight them both.". We fought with no protection and I ended up fucking them both up so hard...
After training it was only me and them left in the shower room. I took my stuff and told them "If I ever see you here again I'll fucking destroy you both." They didn't come back...
Few months later I had a big Taekwondo competition, the girl had already quit her Taekwondo training so she didn't have anything to do with these competitions. I woke up 05:00 to get to the car, we were driving up to northern Sweden - 10 hours drive. I come to the fucking car and she is sitting there... I said hi and knew that I had to focus on my competition, so I just ignored her.
At the hotel, it was 00:00 and we all had separate rooms. I walked out of my room, knocked on hers. She opened the door with a towel around her. I didn't say anything, just ripped the towel of her and threw her in the bed and we had sex... Just after her boyfriend (my old friend) called she answers the phone "Hi love, how are you."
I got up from the bed, took a soft drink, opened it and asked quite loudly "Babe, you want something to drink?". He started yelling cause I was in the same room as her, they broke up and me and her ended up together again... Do people WANT to die?+ Show Spoiler +The first guy that she slept with had during these months been gathering pictures, messages and such on every time she and him had meet... During the first year nothing. During the second year when "me and her had come so close".
He sent pictures of him and her at his cabin with his parents. Parties they were at with slutty angels and devils themes. Lots of messages and pictures of things they've done in school... My one month trip in Japan away from her...
I told her something that she didn't know. Her mom was working in a bar in asia long time ago and she got pregnant with her father. Her mom had told the father that "if you don't bring me to Sweden I will make an abortion.". He was against abortion so he took her to Sweden... I told her "I guess the apple falls close to the tree, you're just like your whore mother that (told the story)". I walked away and haven't talked to her for about 4-5 years now. I understand her+ Show Spoiler +She is still the most wonderful and strong hearted persons I've meet in my life. She's still one of the very few people in the world that I love and that I would do anything for... It's hard to describe her good sides, but she motivated me to no end to always pursue my dreams... Except for my family she is the only person that I've given my full trust to - bad idea, haha.
She grew up not being wanted by neither her father or her mother. They got her an apartment when she was 12 years old and told her to move and live alone because they didn't want her... Well, I wish you the best, I really do, but I cannot express how unlikely it is for that relationship to turn out OK. She will cheat again, no doubt, and you will have the hardest time in the world trusting her. Are you ready for that? For the soul scorching mistrust and uncertainty? I know too many people who have tried and failed. Anyways, the worst I know of, and I'll just summarize in a few words, basically consists of a great 8 year long relationship, living together and thinking about getting married, then BF cheats on her with her best friend, and keeps her on the doubts for months. Son of a bitch I felt like driving his head into the ground for doing that to my friend. Closely coming at second would be the following, after a 5 year relationship, and while engaged, girl earns a foreign course in the US. While she's there, she meets an Argentinian dude and ends up cheating on her BF. Later on she told me she actually had a bipolar disorder swing, and apart from spending millions of cash in worthless stuff and casinos, she slept around with tens of guys while abroad, including someone on the plane back. Pretty extreme shit. I let that go. Didn¨t talk to her for 4-5 years now as I mentioned... Shit happens! On February 16 2013 23:53 polarwolf wrote: The way he tells the story. Beating up the guy and noone dares to interfere or even call the police because he is so badass! Yeah, I also felt that the whole thing sounded a little bit too tough. And let's not forget he is a psychic. Most people in her class knew about it, they saw it coming when I walked in. I also knew most of the people in her class since before, I had been on several parties with them and I like most of them. There is no reason for anyone to interfere. Police can't do shit unless the guy being beaten up decides to file charges - and I'm sure he wouldn't do that... Even if he did I'm sure nothing would happen in the end. It never does in Sweden. I got robbed by a guy with knife when i was 16, there were 4 witnesses in the trial (total 11 witnesses while it happened) - he got 3 month probation... WOOOW! I'm sure he cared about that! I really enjoyed your story Kaeru. Don't pay any heed to the haters. They're just wusses who want to convince themselves the rest of the world is as weak and passive as them. So anytime they hear about dominant behavior, they try to claim the guy is lying. Otherwise, they would have to face the fact they're not bad ass. And that would make them QQ. Also, you should def post a pic of that Asian girl. Maybe the devil/angel party one with that other guy. Probably shouldn't post picture of her since it's a private story - but at the same time I kind of hate her so fuck it... Hm. If she called me and said "I need help with __________". I would fly over and do whatever, whenever for her... But I also hope that she dies painfully... Dunno... I still get confused when I think of her  I didn't save any pictures that the guy sent... Spawn of Satan~~:+ Show Spoiler + Hahaha yeah, I have a somewhat similar relationship with an ex of mine that I lived with for 1 year. Consider her a really good friend, but a lot of hate between us too. And nice pix. She's quite attractive!! I can see how she'd put you through some crazy.
No offense, but she looks like an asian version of Sasha Grey.
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On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does.
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On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does.
XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while.
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On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while. Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while. Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
That's not the point of a cartel... It's about controlling supply, not eliminating it. This really isn't a difficult concept to understand. It's been done many times throughout human history already. Taliban, medieval Europe, Puritan America etc.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 13:35 Twinkle Toes wrote:On February 17 2013 13:26 phosphorylation wrote:On February 17 2013 13:07 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:54 Shiragaku wrote:On February 17 2013 12:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 17 2013 12:10 aTnClouD wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. shut up you traitor first rule of being a man: never betray and turn your back on the bro company take good example from the guy above you I'm with Cloud. See, the thing is, women NEED men. But if ALL men band together, then we can form a cartel and dictate terms. It's always some dumb sap who breaks ranks, puts a ring on it, and rolls over to be a human doormate for the sake of a little nookie. If men sacked up and stopped giving in to wicked pussy magic, we'd have a much stronger bargaining position and you wouldn't see the types of shenanigans being shared in this thread. You could always become gay  If men are the ones constantly being screwed over and have to come together to create reform for women, then why constantly seek them? But in all seriousness, you are not being serious, are you? On February 17 2013 12:50 Xiphos wrote:On February 17 2013 11:00 Shiragaku wrote: Girls have the same horror breakup stories as well. Guys are just as capable of being evil as girls and I have seen it many times. You are so wrong. Girls recover at much faster pace than guys in term of breakup. Beside that, you need to know that most of divorces/breakups are initiated by the female component of the couple. This also goes that girls are most artistic while men are most esoteric. Working as an artist allows you to complete the job at multiple of angles while doing anything science related require you to be very straightforward. Now you may think that this is some social equability crap spewed by the institution to placate women's chances in the scientific field. In this day and age, they are more than able to choose w/e career they prefer but as far we know, they will be more penchant toward the arts field even having other options. So what does this mean? Artistic people approaches things differently. So in a sense, their mind are much more open to idea and thus more susceptible to altering their perceived reality. And men are more straightforward which means their memories have a certain fortitude to it that they don't easily forget about the occurrences of life. In conclusion, we hold much more grudge toward a certain individual than women. In a social sense, this directly translates into the reason why women would begin the breakup. I said that women are basically thriller seekers and we are the amusement parks. The moment our highlighted, advertised roller coaster have a certain malfunction (aka our ability to stop being charismatic, unpredictable, adventurous, funny, and many other factors), they WILL immediately get a refund for their tickets and go to the one next door. But this can also work against them. Just as an owner of Disney would want beautiful looking peers to bring up their advertisement values to garner more attractions to it, so do we. Nobody would want to go check out into a playground filled with retarded looking people. So it must be wise for us men to let in a few selected few into the VIP area. Do you have a source? I have read many generalizations about both sexes in many articles, most of which are complete crap. I am not denying the statistic that women initiate divorces more than men do, I am just curious about the explanation. Why wouldn't I be serious? You aren't familiar with the concept of a cartel? If we can control the cock supply, we'd naturally have an advantage over women when it came to price setting. ..It's pretty much the entire point of feminism, to tear down these previously established patriarchal power structures. Love it. Fucking straight-shooter stuff. lol at cartel of cock supply. Now imagine if women did the same thing, cartel of pussies. I think men have the bigger urge, so no dice. let the market play as it does. XD and no way, man! Guys can take care of themselves reasonably well with their hand. Women don't have anything that comes close. Pretty much every girl I've talked to has said that there is no comparison for them when it comes to sex vs masturbation. They say masturbating really just makes them MORE horny. Whereas for me, and most guys I know, if they jerk off enough, they're good for at least a little while. Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
You're sure 100% would say they can't?
Lol, there goes all the credibility in your argument. Not that it had much to begin with.
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On February 17 2013 13:48 Twinkle Toes wrote: Thing is, can we leave without women? I am sure many women will say they can live without men. Im sure 100% of the male adults here will answer they cant.
26 male and doing fine, thanks 
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We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies. If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
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On February 17 2013 14:00 Diks wrote: We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies. If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
I like how this man thinks.
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On February 17 2013 14:00 Diks wrote: We should actually eliminate a huge part of the male population to get a better ratio of pussies. If we eliminate 95% of men, we'll have a pool of 20 girls per guy, which seems kinda optimal, since you can chose and switch easily. Now we need to develop a virus that kills all men except those with the antidote, and we, TLers, will have the antidote ! muhahahahaha
Oddly the virus doesn't effect people who have strongly developed the neurological pathways in the brain that relate with playing large amounts of RTS games.
On February 17 2013 12:46 ArcticFox wrote:This is one long ass post, so I'll spoiler it as best as I can. How we got together:+ Show Spoiler [The crush and the relationship] +I had a crush on the same girl from the first time I saw her. In first grade. I'm going to call her Marie. (In later years, my mother would remark that I came home the first say I saw her and said, "Mommy, today I saw the girl I'm going to marry!" Adorable.)
For some background here, I was the fat kid growing up. I was also the smart kid in class. I was also retentively shy. That combination pretty much meant I got my ass beaten daily from first grade all the way up through eighth. Which made me more shy. I was not exactly a ladies' man by any stretch. I did talk to Marie more or less every day, but in that shy dorky way...well hell, for the most part we grew up geeks and nerds, you know what I mean here.
By high school I dropped the weight, filled out my frame, but was still very much the shy kid. And Marie was constantly taken. She was the head cheerleader, the prom queen, all the stuff reserved for the most popular and prettiest girl in school, but wasn't the stereotypical airhead either. She was smart, articulate, hot as hell (perfect ass....years later I can still see it when I close my eyes...), and most importantly she was still sweet and was friendly to everyone, including my still-socially-backwards self. She had the same boyfriend for the last 3 years of high school, everyone figured they were perfect for each other and were going to be married, and that was pretty much all there was to that. We had classes together where I would talk to her, do group work together, and we would talk and laugh, we'd eat lunch together, but that's as far as it ever went. It was just another school years crush story that ends like they all do -- guy pines over girl for years, does nothing about it, they both graduate and go to separate colleges 2 hours apart, and never speak to each other again.
....that is, until the next summer.
A year at college will do wonders for reinventing yourself. (cue everyone nodding remembering their first year of college) Coming home for the summer, I was out with a couple of friends picking up a pizza, when a group of girls walk in. Leading the group, who do i see? Her brown hair was longer than I remember, but her perfect curves and winning smile were unmistakable -- it was Marie, also home for the summer. When she saw me, she ran straight to me and jumped up to give me a huge hug (I'm 6'0", she's maybe 5'1" on a good day). We talked for a bit, but our order came up fast and we had to go. However, I'd become rather emboldened in the prior year, and instead of just nodding and continuing on my way, I told her we should probably get together and do something, since we're both home for the summer. She enthusiastically agreed, gave me her number, and off I went with the biggest dorky grin on my face.
I even remember the first phone call -- because this was before cell phones were a big thing (man, am I dating myself here or what? older dudes represent!), so I remember getting ahold of her Dad when I tried calling her, and him laughing because I've known him forever and him yelling, "Hey Marie, come answer the phone before this one gets away."
Anyway, to cut this part short, because you get the point by now -- we ended up dating over the summer, seeing each other 3-4 times a week. I, somehow, had ended up with the girl who I had crushed on for almost my entire cognitive life. And it was every bit as amazing as I imagined it would be.
After Summer was over, we went back to our colleges that were 2 hours away, but we would take turns driving to each other's colleges as soon as classes were out on Friday, and leave late Sunday. Yes, we were sickening, yes we were that couple, and yes, I enjoyed every damn minute of it. TL;DR:+ Show Spoiler [TLDR for How we got together] +Shy, dorky, fat kid drops weight in High School and mans up in college, ends up in a relationship with the girl he'd crushed on for 13 years. ------------------------ The decline and the surprise:+ Show Spoiler [The breakup] +Fast-forward to a year and a half later. Relationship has been going great. We saw each other every weekend, got together and basically spent the whole summer together, all the sweet saccharine shit you see in the movies. The sex was great too -- though I could tell she was definitely more experienced than me by that point, and she taught me a lot to be sure. We talked about all things, including getting married right after college.
About the only complaint I could come up with is that she liked to spend money. Mind you, I was a college student without a job, so I wasn't exactly sugar daddying, but I did my best to spoil her as best I could. She always complained that she was broke (well stop shopping, woman!) and that she didn't know if she could make tuition etc etc.
By the time Thanksgiving rolls around (been dating for ~18 mos. by this point), I can tell something's just not right. We're getting together just as often, she's just as happy as always, but something's just....off. Looking back, I know what was different -- the money talk stopped without any real change. She seemed to be just a little out of it all the time. She would space out while talking, which she never did before. As the weeks wore on a little, she started withdrawing a little bit at a time. I was too naive at the time to know, and even at this age, I'm not sure I would have been prepared for what I found out later....
Valentine's Day. Marie worked at a fairly classy restaurant, which is obviously going to be busy on Valentine's Day and the year before she had to work, so we had to celebrate on the weekend. This year was no different. She told me the weekend before that she was going to be busy working and couldn't get together. Of course, being awesome like I am, I decided to surprise her and make the drive anyway to pick her up after work and spend a little time together. I drove up to the restaurant, dressed up in my awesome suit, and walked in to ask the girl up front where Marie was.
She wasn't working that night.
I was more confused than anything. Surely I got the date right...duh, Valentine's Day, of course I did. Maybe she got her schedule confused....oh shit, did she try to surprise me the same way? Because that would be hilarious, and also something we would do. They let me use the phone there to call her apartment (no cell phones yet, remember?), and there was no answer. I called up to my place, and there was no answer there either.
At this point, I'm at a real loss for what to do...starting to get a little irritated, and more than a little worried, I thanked the girl for letting me use the phone, hopped in my truck (yep), and headed over to her apartment. She's not there either, but her roommate was home at least. I assume she must have just gotten home, since nobody answered when I called. I knocked on the door and she came to answer.
"What are you doing here?"
You know -- it's Valentine's Day, I'm in a suit, and she asks why I'm there. No "hi." No "wow, you look great." Something serious is up.
"Hey Lynn. I went to surprise Marie at work and she's not there. Any idea where she is?" "Ah...you know...I don't...I haven't seen her, I just got home from work."
Any pretense of hope I had was shattering quickly. I've known Lynn for a while now too. Her eyes were just sad when they looked at me, just like they had been the last few weeks.
I shoved my foot in the door. "Lynn. What's going on? Just tell me." "You can wait for her here." And not another word.
It was about 8pm or so when I got there. It was nearly midnight when she crawled in. She flipped on the light and saw me, sitting on the couch, watching TV. Her normally bright, blue eyes were completely lifeless. Her hair was matted down, her lipstick was smeared, and she was wearing a short blue dress that didn't suit her at all.
"Happy Valentine's Day, babe," I said. I'm sure my tone wasn't incredibly loving.
She broke down crying. I remember feeling nothing, as she collapsed on top of me, sobbing into my shoulder and started talking about the last 4 months. About how she looked for another job. How a friend at work told her how much money she made stripping. How she made such good money. How customers offered to pay to sleep with her. Good money. How she refused over and over. How one of the other girls hooked her up with "a guy" that would "treat her right." How she tried all these different drugs. How she now had a heroin habit. And then, she needed a way to pay for it, and with her job, had an easy access to money....
All of this, happening right under my nose. I was a 19 year old kid, it was my first long-term relationship, and I had no idea how to process any of this. I was angry. I was sad. I was crushed. I wanted to hug her and tell her that everything would be ok. I wanted to scream and yell and tell her she was an idiot and I couldn't believe she would be so stupid.
I hugged her tight and stroked her hair. "We'll get through this." She sobbed harder. She cried until she fell asleep.
Jesus, I'm in my thirties now, and I can still remember the sounds. It was just like....pure pain. It's actually hurting to write this. More than I thought it would. Shit.
I put Marie to bed and stayed up to talk to Lynn. Neither of us were really sure what triggered her to do what she did. To this day I still don't know. I asked Lynn how bad the addiction was. Bad enough that even while crying and confessing, Marie had lied to me about how long she'd been doing it. Fuck.
Next morning, Lynn and I talk to Marie. She needs to get clean. I'll be there every step of the way. I've had the whole night to think about it. She's precious to me. She's made some bad decisions. Horrible ones. But we can work through it. We can get her clean, and....
Summer rolls around. She's still using. She's getting angrier and withdrawing more and more from me. We fight more often. I tell her she needs to go to rehab. She tells me I need to go to Hell. Lynn catches her using and bitches her out. She brings the stuff to *my* place now, since I know she was using, thinking I'd be ok with it, or at least wouldn't say anything. Of course I tell her to get that shit out of here. We yell at each other. I finally threaten to tell her parents and get her some real help if she won't quit. She straight up hits me and leaves.
I'm cutting this short, because it's fucking long -- I finally tell her parents what's going on because I want to see her get the help she needs. She, of course, breaks up with me the second she finds out. At this point I don't even care, I'm a little relived -- it's been months of hell, plus she needs the help. TL;DR:+ Show Spoiler +Show up for Valentine's Day, find out my g/f of almost 2 years has been stripping, whoring, and is a heroin addict. After trying to help her get clean for 3ish months, I get fed up and tell her parents so she can get some help, and she breaks things off. Seriously, it's worth a read, I spent enough time writing it.  --------------------------------- The aftermath:+ Show Spoiler +I know that she's been clean for at least a few years now, married, with a couple of adorable children. I learned a lot during that time. Definitely would handle it differently now (was a lot more passive person back then, and much less cynical/more trusting), but I have a story to tell I guess.
Thankfully not all of my relationships have been quite THAT drama filled, but I have a lot of stories I could tell. But the first cut's always the deepest, right?
Damn that's a shame. I'm glad she finally got clean and it didn't ruin her entire life. Too bad you had to be there for the breakdown though, that's rough; there isn't much you can do there though.
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I don't actually have a really terrible break up story, the worst one I ever had was a girl that wanted to date me, told me she wanted to date my best friend first, then tried to black mail me when I said sure you can date him, I'll date this other girl then. Needless to say that wasn't the response she wanted, to a question I didn't want lol. However, my father had a significantly worse story. I don't know all the intimate details, so I'll just do the overview
A long, long time ago, in a distant land of medical school and north eastern U.S.A., among the college kids in Boston, a southern boy was attending college and doing medical school work. He was dating a girl, a pretty girl. Things were going well, and his mother questioned why they were dating, so she pushed them to marry. They got married, and were happy. Well except not exactly. You see, this girl was addicted to cocaine, since that was the drug that medical school teachers considered the least problematic at the time; Freud did it, so how bad could it be? The girl ended up needing money for this addiction, so she used her own. Now you have to understand, cocaine isn't cheap, so she ran out pretty quick. She asked my father for money, but he told her, when he married her, that he wanted her to get out of the addiction. He moved with her to his old home in the south and hoped that would change it. Unfortunately, you can take the city out of the girl but you can't take the girl out of the cocaine addiction out of the girl; she connects with the same druggy people who do cocaine and are upper echelon people. She does what any self-respecting druggy who needs their next high does who is running on $0 and .00cents does, she starts withdrawing money from her lovers bank account. My father goes to an atm to pull out money one time and sees an enormous amount withdrawn and questions her. She tells him about it, he asks her to go to rehab, she does. She gets out, repeats the process except now my father is in med school and broke. He asks for an anulment. She refuses, tells him she will see him in court. My father goes to my grandfather (a prominent lawyer in my city, at that time) and my grandfather tells him that all the allegations she will make will be false because she wants money and to pay her the money and never have her come back into his life. My father does this, not before she yanks 15k out of him (he is broke from her btw) and alleges he abused her and whatnot. He fails to secure an anulment because the girl wants her money + a divorce for whatever reason. My father is heartbroken, feels that girls only want him for his money (ironic that he had none at that point and had to pay his dad back all the money he borrowed because that is part of being a responsible adult) and finally feels that he will never find love ever. The marriage lasted 3 months. He really talked very little about this to me, so it is possible that I got some of the details wrong, but the overall story is the same. It's a shame really, my mom has bad stories about men, so I realize that being a dick in a relationship is on both ends of the spectrum .
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So... this whole thread brings up a very sensitive topic for me because of how it has affected me in the past, I'm still debating whether or not I want to write the two experiences I had because they bring back a lot of really really painful memories (I don't know how to emphasize that enough).
Basically, I had two different experiences that have shaped who I am. The first one COMPLETLY OBLITERATED my ability to trust IN ANY WAY the opposite sex while the second one did the same thing but applied to ANYONE except my close family. Heck, I failed a suicide over the second one... I'd be dead otherwise.
Both of these happened within 2 years (First one I was 16, second one I was 18... I'm 20 now) so it's still rather fresh...
As of now I don't think I'll be able to ever trust another human being that I don't already know and I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Just posting this to make sure people in here realize how much you can fuck a person mentally with this sort of stuff, and that the people getting away with it by just getting fat have it really fucking easy.
EDIT: As a matter of fact, if SC2 hadn't came out when it did I don't think I would have been able to stop thinking about suicide, so in a way I think this game may have saved my life. Don't ever underestimate the power of things that appear small to others because they may as well change the life of others completely. SC2 has basically allowed me to "trust some people" to a certain extant, which is pretty damn amazing off of itself...
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