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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On August 22 2015 02:45 oGoZenob wrote: sometimes I hope that north korea will do something so dumb that we wouldnt have a choice to just destroy that regime to oblivion in a day... The people have suffered enough I keep thinking the same but then i think, what would the citizens be like, could South Korea "afford" to do so? I mean like others say it is hard to say what is going on in the country when we hardly know ourselves. We know it is the best place to live but some do believe in the regime. To cut them away from that so suddenly could cause issues. I would love to see peace and them reunite to the extent of being border-less, keep the countries separate by all means, even run the countries with different governments. But not to the extent that it cuts itself off from the world. One can dream. The war if it happened and "fixed" the problem would cause so much blood shed it would take a while for it to be called "worth it" | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On August 22 2015 02:45 oGoZenob wrote: sometimes I hope that north korea will do something so dumb that we wouldnt have a choice to just destroy that regime to oblivion in a day... The people have suffered enough Say we do. Who takes power and why? Getting rid of Saddam was easy, but running Iraq in his stead was not. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On August 22 2015 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Say we do. Who takes power and why? Getting rid of Saddam was easy, but running Iraq in his stead was not. you mean destroying a country, imposing genocidal sanctions was easy but creating democracy was a different thing? | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2015 04:12 ImFromPortugal wrote: you mean destroying a country, imposing genocidal sanctions was easy but creating democracy was a different thing? One is way more stable than the other one. There is no right or wrong option with these regimes. There are just different versions of terrible options. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On August 22 2015 04:12 ImFromPortugal wrote: you mean destroying a country, imposing genocidal sanctions was easy but creating democracy was a different thing? Totally. You have a semi-decent casus belli, go in, and overthrow the government before Christmas. Having the status quo disrupted and having to rebuild the system from scratch while half the country realizes they still hate the other half and now there's nothing stopping them from doing anything about it is another story. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On August 22 2015 04:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Totally. You have a semi-decent casus belli, go in, and overthrow the government before Christmas. Having the status quo disrupted and having to rebuild the system from scratch while half the country realizes they still hate the other half and now there's nothing stopping them from doing anything about it is another story. Those tensions were aggravated by the US actions... you first invaded disrupted the system then there was an insurgency and more radical factions appeared to fight against you. Things were stabilizing and you installed a puppet government that did nothing to ease the tensions and instead fractured the Iraqi society even more. (i'm talking about Maliki ofc) and thus IS gained a foothold on IRAQ and all the crap that is going on now is your fault. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2015 04:44 ImFromPortugal wrote: I was talking about the first gulf war and the fact that you guys didn't do a thing to end the regime, even when some Iraqi factions wanted to end it and requested your help...instead you imposed crippling sanctions that destroyed the country, killed thousands of children and made the regime last for a decade more. Why wasn't the united states accused of terrorism when they first invaded IRAQ ? Even with reports stating that Kuwait was utilizing slant drilling techniques to steal Iraqis oil. Who pays for all of this? You with your tax money and the rest of the world with their blood ? We didn't invade Iraq in 1990. And even if Kuwait was using those drilling techniques, its not justification for an invasion. Sorry the UN and everyone else can't live up to your standards on how to deal with regimes like one in Iraq. But you seem to be derailing the thread again. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On August 22 2015 04:50 Plansix wrote: We didn't invade Iraq in 1990. And even if Kuwait was using those drilling techniques, its not justification for an invasion. Sorry the UN and everyone else can't live up to your standards on how to deal with regimes like one in Iraq. But you seem to be derailing the thread again. A "coalition" did...yes killing infants and destroying a countries future is the best the UN and all the others can do.. congratulations. It's not derailment we are talking about geopolitics and when discussing such topics its important to analyse past mistakes even if the truth hurts. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:01 Plansix wrote: Just as long as you found a way to feel superior to everyone else. Superior ? I'm nothing, but history doesn't lie. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
Update on this meeting: (3rd LD) Koreas to hold high-level talks amid tensions: Cheong Wa Dae (ATTN: UPDATES with details; CHANGES headline) SEOUL, Aug. 22 (Yonhap) -- South and North Korea will hold high-level talks at the border village of Panmunjom later Saturday, Cheong Wa Dae said, in a move to try to defuse tensions on the Korean Peninsula. South Korea's National Security Adviser Kim Kwan-jin and Unification Minister Hong Yong-pyo will meet with Kim Yang-gon, the top official in charge of South Korea affairs, and Hwang Pyong-so, director of the general political department of North Korea's military, at 6 p.m., said Kim Kyou-hyun, deputy chief of the presidential office of national security. North Korea set 5 p.m. Saturday as the deadline for South Korea to halt anti-Pyongyang propaganda broadcasts along the heavily fortified border and dismantle all loudspeakers. The announcement of the meeting fell just two hours before this deadline. The North threatened to launch "strong military action" if South Korea defies the ultimatum. North Korea also warned late Friday that it is prepared to engage in "all-out war." Source https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/634976446050467840?lang=en In the mean time, evacuation orders have been given to citizens living near the border, and the ROKA have apparently changed their rules of engagement from firing warning shots at any KPA troops approaching the DMZ to shoot to kill. On a less serious note since North Korea clocked themselves back 30 minutes, doesn't this mean the deadline is technically 5:30PM KST instead? | ||
heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:01 Plansix wrote: Just as long as you found a way to feel superior to everyone else. LOL!!! That's a good one. | ||
Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
Why would china protect an unstable dictatorship with technology from the 1950s? What possible value could they have to china. Maybe some "regional control" at best (if NK is even under their control), but I don't see how meaningful that is in the long-term scheme of things. Its not like the US is in the process of setting up missile sites aimed into China, their biggest and most important trading partner. Russia may protest a little but that's probably all it will do. | ||
sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
North and South Korea hold talks go into a second day North and South Korea are to hold a second round of top-level talks on Sunday to defuse growing tension, officials from the South say. The announcement was made after several hours of negotiations on Saturday. Senior aides to the two countries' leaders met at the Panmunjom truce village on the border. North Korea had threatened "strong military action" if the South did not stop border loudspeaker broadcasts that had provoked a "semi-state of war". The two sides have agreed to meet again on Sunday afternoon to "narrow down differences" as overnight talks were finally wound up after nearly 10 hours of negotiations. [...] Source Evacuation Orders for Border Areas Lifted Partially Evacuation orders for South Korean residents near the border with North Korea have been lifted in some areas as the two Koreas are set to resume high-level talks Sunday afternoon. Incheon City said that the evacuation orders issued for five northwestern border islands in the Yellow Sea were all lifted as of 10 p.m. Saturday, allowing the evacuated residents to return home. The city said that the order for Ganghwa Island was not lifted, but most of the residents returned home. However, evacuation orders for Gyeonggi Province remain effective, with 37-hundred residents in Yeoncheon County, about 800 in Paju and some people in Gimpo staying at nearby shelters. Source In addition, the WATCHCON level has been raised from 3 to 2. With the increasing number of ROKA and U.S. units being sent to the border and the reports of the KPA doing the same, a lot is going to depend on the outcome of these talks this evening. | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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