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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 21 2015 12:07 Alcathous wrote: StealthBlue is right. They probably need food aid to prevent a famine. I decided that starting from tomorrow i will ask my friends to give me food NK style. Instead of going to them and asking : "Can you give me some food. I forgot mine please". I'll just directly punch them in the face. Wonder if i'll get cookies. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 23:13 Alcathous wrote: I never made any claims on what caused the Korean war. Never made claims about allies. Errrrr. On August 21 2015 19:46 Alcathous wrote: N Korea isn't really a buffer zone for China. It's more that South Korea is a buffer zone for the US. If way back Korea had been united, it would have been too likely to align with China. So the US split up the Koreas and even today, they suppress or disallow peace efforts from S Korea. Saying N Korea is a buffer zone for China vs the US is backwards and shows you are a victim of domestic propaganda. The US doesn't even have any territory anywhere close. At least for N Korea, they share their biggest border with China. We do have territories in the area, its called the Philippines and they were largely effected the last time there was a war in that region. And we didn't make the decision to split up nation just because we could. Russia was a huge part of why that happened. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
the north koreans are more like asian nazis than commies. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On August 21 2015 23:13 Alcathous wrote: I never made any claims on what caused the Korean war. Never made claims about allies. You made false/inaccurate claims though which isn't fair to bring up. It wasn't just America that split up the Koreas it was Soviet Union as well due to they did not agree with a non communist run country so they divided it. Mutual agreement is how it is wrote in history books. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
Philippines is near N Korea? Philippines is United States territory? I know that the Philippines tried to become independent from Spain only to be attacked by the US immediately afterwards, but does that really have any relevance here? Still, that doesn't even have anything to do with the 'errs' you express. This is embarrassing. | ||
zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
On August 21 2015 23:39 ahswtini wrote: it doesnt help that most western perceptions (including major policy makers) of north korea are completely wrong. they assume the narrative that north korea is some stalinist hermit kingdom guided by the so-called "juche" ideology. thus these ppl apply outdated cold war thinking where it simply doesnt fit. the north koreans are more like asian nazis than commies. That's just as incorrect. A more fitting description would be an absolute monarchy, complete with deification of the leaders, with a society structured around fiefdoms and a system of patronage resembling 4th century Rome. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
The US doesn't even have any territory anywhere close. So Japan Philippines Kyrgyzstan Singapore Australia is not anywhere close to Korea or enough influence in that region to keep tabs on China the only reason they are there? In your view? | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2015 23:47 Alcathous wrote: US did split it up. Never said no one else was involved. Philippines is near N Korea? Philippines is United States territory? I know that the Philippines tried to become independent from Spain only to be attacked by the US immediately afterwards, but does that really have any relevance here? Still, that doesn't even have anything to do with the 'errs' you express. This is embarrassing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea Do you see the part where Soviet Union was part of the agreement? This wasn't a thing that the US decided on their own. The Soviet Union wasn't going to let the US establish a trusteeship for the entire country. On August 21 2015 23:59 Alcathous wrote: US territory to me doesn't even include Hawaii. It stops where the pacific starts. Territory =! wished for sphere of influence. Most people in the military and like world disagree with you. Hawaii is a state. And if you bomb it, we go to war with you. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
But then it just amazes me people think Australia, Singapore and Kyrgyzstan are part of the US AND near Korea. At least the US went to war in the Philippines. Just shows how crazy out some people can be. I never talked about the Soviet Union. Just China and US. And you think you have to spam wikipedia links for what? It is wrong for me to say the US spit the Korea's just because others were involved as well? Wow Bunch of crazies here. At least claiming that N Korea is China's buffer to the US makes sense. | ||
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always_winter
United States195 Posts
IMO the home of the US Pacific Fleet shouldn't even be considered US territory. What are a half dozen aircraft carriers and an entire fleet of supporting vessels going to do to project naval power from a port strategically placed in the central Pacific? It's nonsense. Freakin' crazies, man. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
Just because it isn't US territory doesn't mean they can't be allies. Stop equivocating stuff. Time for a mod. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
All I was saying is that it makes more sense to view it the opposite way. Maybe that's taking it too far for some here and invites absurd ridicule/online bullying. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
Get back on topic though please. | ||
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always_winter
United States195 Posts
On August 22 2015 01:04 zatic wrote: Relax guys there is nothing to report or mod here. Get back on topic though please. Best mod NA. Request graciously accepted. Personally I believe provocations from NK are nothing more than a plea for relevancy exacted by the "young tyrant" who is quite literally a relatively immature autocrat with absolutely authority over a nuclear power. The planting of land mines in the DMZ is an incredibly ill-advised move which I could only attribute to a actor unfamiliar with the terms of rational state interaction. The unpredictability of the NK regime creates an interesting dynamic which is sure to change in the 21st century, for better or worse. I believe even a youthfully arrogant autocrat is wise enough not to engage in actual warfare with a Western-backed South Korea, regardless of any unlikely assurances given by China or Russia. IMO China will favor its economic interdependency over a childish tyrant, and will move to more closely align with the West. Hacking American technologies and aggression in the South China Sea seek to undermine closer relations, but the state of our economic interdependence is quite staggering and China is unlike Iran or North Korea in that it has proven to be quite rational while conducting interstate affairs and unaffiliated with radical ideologies. Russia is another unpredictable component and its actions constitute another interesting development. The Chinese-American and Russian-Western dynamics seem to be the more important issues of the 21st century, which will thereby affect the NK/SK dynamic as they are inherently linked. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On August 21 2015 23:59 Alcathous wrote: US territory to me doesn't even include Hawaii. It stops where the pacific starts. Territory =! wished for sphere of influence. *facedesk* Quickly saw a statement like this coming. Territory might not me a "wished for" sphere of influence, but I'm sure the DoD, White House, the UN, Congress, etc. etc. etc. would say that the US has MUCH more than a "wished for" sphere of influence. I think that this list alone proves that the US' influence in Asia is VERY real. On top of those bases in South Korea, the US has 84 bases in Japan (that we know of), bases in Australia, the Philippines, and has a large portion of its Navy and Air Force based in the South Pacific since the end of WW2. Oh, by the way, some of the US' largest military bases are in Hawaii (a little base called Pearl Harbor, you may have heard of it). As in the words of Wikipedia, "Pearl Harbor is the headquarters of the United States Pacific Fleet." | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
and now I`m sure that those irreverent southern reactionaries will be frightened and tribute their 2400 k-9 Crucio siege tanks. | ||
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