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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 18 2012 21:07 GMT
#101
On December 19 2012 05:36 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 05:24 Adreme wrote:
On December 19 2012 05:23 Cheno wrote:
On December 19 2012 04:39 Genjimaru wrote:
man how can skyrim even... -.-

And yoshi's island is easily the best super mario game imo.



I feel like there's a general hate against the big and new titles that are coming out... Is it just me or?


There does seem to be a lot of "hipster" votes were people vote for the earliest entry regardless of overall quality (RE2 vs RE4).

Skyrim is an infinitely better game than Oblivion Morrowind was broken as fuck even though i enjoyed playing it more than skyrim it doesn't feel weird that you could have a discussion about it. As for right now when i check poll morrowind and skyrim are very even so i don't know what the fuzz is about ^_^


Ive never really been a huge fan of western RPGs but for what its worth I also consider Skyrim the best out of all of them. Even the bugs were funny in there own way.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:19:21
December 18 2012 21:11 GMT
#102
On December 19 2012 05:23 Cheno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 04:39 Genjimaru wrote:
man how can skyrim even... -.-

And yoshi's island is easily the best super mario game imo.



I feel like there's a general hate against the big and new titles that are coming out... Is it just me or?


Before I answer that, you need to recognize that there is a flaw with the general framework of these types of, loosely stated, statistics. That error would be due to a fundamental, yet slightly Cartesian principle.

When you or a community care enough to start overarching "Best Game in [X Genre]" polls, you'd assume that the opinions would involve a myriad of thought-out and analytic votes. As someone else mentioned though, that is a quixotic notion "empirically" proven by the fact that these types of threads end up turn into a pathos infested popularity contest. There is no incentive to do otherwise.

So the answer: the "hate against newer games" stems from the idea that just as in any other form of art (novella, film, art, literature, and music) there are generational gaps that exist in between successive decades of incredible gaming experiences. However, the difference is that (assuming we call games a form of art, which I am obliquely tending to do so) the history of gaming has an unprecedented rate of growth. The difference between an 1972 Pong game and a 1990s Pokemon game is staggering, and a 2000 game vs 2010 more still.

These salient differences over time simmer and solder out into two very broad different groups of gamers. Classic and new gens. These are not cemented, rule of thumb - but your post begs the question that the trend is clearly there.

And it's totally understandable: newer gamers don't have to, and are in fact perhaps disinclined to play older games since the antiquated graphics, chip-tunes, and gameplay are a turnoff to their newer toys (hint of my rhetorical disdain?). Why naturally default to a clearly mechanically inferior experience of Earthbound when there's of a fancy, garish Skyrim waiting with 1900 x 1200 resolution on my moniter?

So. these newer gamers spout their unfailing loyalty for these newer games when they've never played before unforgettable classics (keep in mind, I did not say this was an absolute rule as that is obviously false - me already being an example while I write this). Thus you see, oh my, "heated" arguments between people who've posted things without thinking them through. I really do not see the reason for giving an example: a quick google search of "Top 10 Videogames" of anything should do the talking.

This, in turn ends up turning the entire event in question into the aforementioned popularity contest.
"But isn't that inevitable?" Of course, but it defeats the purpose if you've never played any of the other games just like another art's polling would be if you said The Fountainhead was the most influential work of literature of the 20th Century when you've never read Ulysses.

It's really quite simple. Since we compose of something we affectionately call the internet, we are often times to crass and boorish to express these different epochs and tastes in a equally fashionable manner.

"So... are you saying playing a newer game automatically discounts me as some spontaneously supercilious loser?"

Of course not, or else the different demographic wouldn't exist in the first place. The entire glob of gamers with historical decency would be automatically subsumed and cease to exist with the times, leading into an Ozymandias effect.

"Does that mean I HAVE to play older games?"

Well obviously no, but I'd argue if you want to have a deeper appreciation of gaming, then most definitely.
Personally, it still irks me that I have friends who call themselves judicious defenders of gaming culture when all they do is play Call of Duty all day. I have MULTIPLE friends in college who have never played Ocarina of Time for fuck's sake...
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:18:20
December 18 2012 21:16 GMT
#103
Is the RTS bracket supposed to be a joke and Evil Genius is a game? O_O After looking at all the other brackets. Yeah, I think I'll just stay out of this one. Was never a big fan of what do you think is best when it comes to trivial things like this.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 18 2012 21:22 GMT
#104
Some weird omissions, like personally I would have voted for Resident Evil 1, Final Fantasy 4, and Civilization 5. Lack of Diablo 3, MK3, and SSBB also makes no sense to me.

Also, "Best DotA" is really a silly category since they're the same game.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
December 18 2012 21:26 GMT
#105
On December 19 2012 05:11 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 04:47 archonOOid wrote:
quake series is incomplete! quake live? qw? q4?

I noticed instalments from a lot of game series are missing, seemingly at random.

Good god if you are going to go through all of this effort stop missing out titles because they weren't mentioned in some previous half baked thread.

Get all of the games in there... in fact now it's almost too late because people have already voted from a limited selection =/

Sorry this just seems like a huge waste of time if you are going to just miss out titles.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
December 18 2012 21:31 GMT
#106
Guys...HL > HL2 fo sho.

I agreed with everything else. Well done.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9714 Posts
December 18 2012 21:37 GMT
#107
Jedi Knight or unreal tournament in the first round? that's a toughie
RIP Meatloaf <3
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:41:38
December 18 2012 21:38 GMT
#108
I would never vote for Smash Bros 1. I MIGHT vote for Smash Bros 3. So having only 1 and 2 on there seems unfortunate.

EDIT: Wow. I am a HUGE MGS fanatic, and MGS2 is not on the vote. It is hands down the best, and I'm not alone in that opinion.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 18 2012 21:45 GMT
#109
On December 19 2012 06:38 Shai wrote:
I would never vote for Smash Bros 1. I MIGHT vote for Smash Bros 3. So having only 1 and 2 on there seems unfortunate.

EDIT: Wow. I am a HUGE MGS fanatic, and MGS2 is not on the vote. It is hands down the best, and I'm not alone in that opinion.


I would say maybe for the first hour it was. Then they subbed out the good lead for a whiny annoying whipped idiot who even making him a cyborg ninja in the 4th game couldnt make interesting.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
December 18 2012 21:46 GMT
#110
+rep to you sir for putting this all together. This must have been an immense amount of work and i havent been able to do all this correctly. Its still super hard to do it right for everyone.

for example: In my opinion total war should be competing in turn-based strategy. It has rts battles and turn based strategy so maybe even compete in both brackets?

well huge respect! keep up the good work!
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:49:24
December 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#111
Half Life
Brood War
Dark Souls
FF6
DOTA

There, I made it easy for everyone!
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
December 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#112
Super mario 64??
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 21:56:03
December 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#113
On December 19 2012 06:11 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 05:23 Cheno wrote:
On December 19 2012 04:39 Genjimaru wrote:
man how can skyrim even... -.-

And yoshi's island is easily the best super mario game imo.



I feel like there's a general hate against the big and new titles that are coming out... Is it just me or?


Before I answer that, you need to recognize that there is a flaw with the general framework of these types of, loosely stated, statistics. That error would be due to a fundamental, yet slightly Cartesian principle.

When you or a community care enough to start overarching "Best Game in [X Genre]" polls, you'd assume that the opinions would involve a myriad of thought-out and analytic votes. As someone else mentioned though, that is a quixotic notion "empirically" proven by the fact that these types of threads end up turn into a pathos infested popularity contest. There is no incentive to do otherwise.

So the answer: the "hate against newer games" stems from the idea that just as in any other form of art (novella, film, art, literature, and music) there are generational gaps that exist in between successive decades of incredible gaming experiences. However, the difference is that (assuming we call games a form of art, which I am obliquely tending to do so) the history of gaming has an unprecedented rate of growth. The difference between an 1972 Pong game and a 1990s Pokemon game is staggering, and a 2000 game vs 2010 more still.

These salient differences over time simmer and solder out into two very broad different groups of gamers. Classic and new gens. These are not cemented, rule of thumb - but your post begs the question that the trend is clearly there.

And it's totally understandable: newer gamers don't have to, in fact perhaps disinclined to play older games since the antiquated graphics, chip-tunes, and gameplay are a turnoff to their newer toys (hint of my rhetorical disdain?). Why naturally default to a clearly mechanically inferior experience of Earthbound when there's of a fancy, garish Skyrim waiting with 1900 x 1200 resolution on my moniter?

So. these newer gamers spout their unfailing loyalty for these newer games when they've never played before (keep in mind, I did not say this was an absolute rule as that is obviously false - me already being an example while I write this).
Thus you see, oh my, "heated" arguments between people who've posted things without thinking them through. I really do not see the reason for giving an example: a quick google search of "Top 10 Videogames" of anything should do the talking.

This, in turn ends up turning the entire event in question into the aforementioned popularity contest.
"But isn't that inevitable?" Of course, but it defeats the purpose if you've never played any of the other games just like another art's polling would be if you said The Fountainhead was the most influential work of literature of the 20th Century when you've never read Ulysses.

It's really quite simple. Since we compose of something we affectionately call the internet, we are often times to crass and boorish to express these different epochs and tastes in a equally fashionable manner.

"Does playing a newer game automatically discount me as some spontaneously supercilious loser?"

Of course not, or else the different demographic wouldn't exist in the first place. The entire glob of gamers with historical decency would be automatically subsumed and cease to exist with the times, leading into an Ozymandias effect.

"Does that mean I HAVE to play older games?"

Well obviously no, but I'd argue if you want to have a deeper appreciation of gaming, then most definitely.
Personally, it still irks me that I have friends who call themselves judicious defenders of gaming culture when all they do is play Call of Duty all day. I have MULTIPLE friends in college who have never played Ocarina of Time for fuck's sake...


Well put! It's also interesting that the effects that you describe should are even stronger in TL, TL having undergone the transition from BW into SC2.
Bora Pain minha porra!
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#114
On December 19 2012 06:45 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:38 Shai wrote:
I would never vote for Smash Bros 1. I MIGHT vote for Smash Bros 3. So having only 1 and 2 on there seems unfortunate.

EDIT: Wow. I am a HUGE MGS fanatic, and MGS2 is not on the vote. It is hands down the best, and I'm not alone in that opinion.


I would say maybe for the first hour it was. Then they subbed out the good lead for a whiny annoying whipped idiot who even making him a cyborg ninja in the 4th game couldnt make interesting.


Yea, Raiden was a bit of a flop-dick, but 2 is arguably better than 4.
twitch.tv/duttroach
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
December 18 2012 21:56 GMT
#115
waaa Lords of Magic is never gonna beat HoMM3

both amazing games though
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 18 2012 21:58 GMT
#116
Surprised Melee is considered so far superior to SSB64 by TL. Smash 64 all the way, yo.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 18 2012 22:01 GMT
#117
On December 19 2012 06:58 tsuxiit wrote:
Surprised Melee is considered so far superior to SSB64 by TL. Smash 64 all the way, yo.


It's pretty much identical, but with better graphics, so I don't know. The N64 controller was so good, though... I didn't even end up voting for one.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
December 18 2012 22:03 GMT
#118
Dude, just reading through the polls made me SO EXCITED. I want to go back and play Kirby's Dreamland, hit up Super Mario World and practice my ***ing wave dashing in melee.

I absolutely cannot decide between Half Life and Half Life 2. Half Life has some kinda magic, but Half Life 2 is beautiful. I remember when it came out I was blown away at the realness of the water, and running into G-Man again. So sweet.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:10:08
December 18 2012 22:06 GMT
#119
On December 19 2012 07:03 Shebuha wrote:
Dude, just reading through the polls made me SO EXCITED. I want to go back and play Kirby's Dreamland, hit up Super Mario World and practice my ***ing wave dashing in melee.

I absolutely cannot decide between Half Life and Half Life 2. Half Life has some kinda magic, but Half Life 2 is beautiful. I remember when it came out I was blown away at the realness of the water, and running into G-Man again. So sweet.


I was stuck on that for a while, too. It's one of those where picking the older one puts Half-Life at a disadvantage against newer games, which Half-Life 2 would just blow out of the water. I want to see Perfect Dark going deep - Goldeneye hipster votes will probably beat out PD, though.

EDIT: Since Fallout Tactics: BoS is in the TBS category, I feel like it crushes most of those games effortlessly. It rather seamlessly blended RTS and TBS better than many similar games.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#120
On December 19 2012 07:06 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:03 Shebuha wrote:
Dude, just reading through the polls made me SO EXCITED. I want to go back and play Kirby's Dreamland, hit up Super Mario World and practice my ***ing wave dashing in melee.

I absolutely cannot decide between Half Life and Half Life 2. Half Life has some kinda magic, but Half Life 2 is beautiful. I remember when it came out I was blown away at the realness of the water, and running into G-Man again. So sweet.


I was stuck on that for a while, too. It's one of those where picking the older one puts Half-Life at a disadvantage against newer games, which Half-Life 2 would just blow out of the water. I want to see Perfect Dark going deep - Goldeneye hipster votes will probably beat out PD, though.

I had 100000x more fun playing Perfect Dark with friends than Goldeneye -- although they are both great games.
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