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On December 19 2012 10:52 akatama wrote:
How come so many people voted for Heroes of Might and Magic 3 instead of 5? 5 took everything 3 had and made it better (well, aside maybe campaign story), but from a gameplay point of view it is much much better once you get the hang of it.
3 is more iconic, I think. Also, with most classic games, my assumption is that people who are voting for the sake of voting may have only ever played the most iconic one out of all of them, or only heard from someone else that 3 is the best and don't actually have an opinion. For some of us, we pick one over the other because the sequel copied the formula from the one before it. Therefore, the success of the later game or it being better is only a result of the one that came first. HoMM 3 definitely improved more upon 1&2 than 5 improved upon 3&4. That in and of itself could be why people choose it over 5.
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Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core was the best one, so i couldnt vote... 
And it kinda make me sad to see so many votes for Skyrim as the best Elder Scrolls game.
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Omg Golden Sun and Final Fantasy in same bracket.............................
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Quake 2 is literally 100 times better than Quake 3.
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On December 19 2012 11:01 blockade wrote:Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core was the best one, so i couldnt vote... And it kinda make me sad to see so many votes for Skyrim as the best Elder Scrolls game.
You could try and nominate it in the thread that the OP mentions. However, FF7 will probably end up crushing everything, anyway.
EDIT: Time for some Ultima VII - so many 
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Holy shit last blade 2. Loved that game, my first fighting game, grew up on it. That said, SSBM fo lyfe
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On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion.
No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim
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On December 19 2012 02:49 beamer159 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 02:46 stormssc wrote:Aren't XCOM titles a bit missleading? The oldest game I think is called 'XCOM: UFO Defense'. Here's the main menu screen + Show Spoiler + I'm honestly not entirely sure. I just referenced the Wikipedia article, which mentions both names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-COM
The US and EU release had different names, UFO Defense and Enemy Unknown are the same game, just different continent releases.
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On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim
Why, if you don't mind me asking?
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On December 19 2012 11:00 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:52 akatama wrote:
How come so many people voted for Heroes of Might and Magic 3 instead of 5? 5 took everything 3 had and made it better (well, aside maybe campaign story), but from a gameplay point of view it is much much better once you get the hang of it. 3 is more iconic, I think. Also, with most classic games, my assumption is that people who are voting for the sake of voting may have only ever played the most iconic one out of all of them, or only heard from someone else that 3 is the best and don't actually have an opinion. For some of us, we pick one over the other because the sequel copied the formula from the one before it. Therefore, the success of the later game or it being better is only a result of the one that came first. HoMM 3 definitely improved more upon 1&2 than 5 improved upon 3&4. That in and of itself could be why people choose it over 5.
HoMM5 revamped the whole combat system and heavily reworked the skill system. The alternative unit upgrades that came with the second expansion allowed for even more varied playstyle. A ton of improvement in HoMM3 came from the Wake of Gods fan made expansion. Not to mention HoMM5 is much more balanced when compared to 3.
Imo HoMM5 is the pinnacle of the series. Everyone who liked 3 should give it a try, but you need to read the fan manual first to really enjoy it .
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On December 19 2012 11:01 blockade wrote:
And it kinda make me sad to see so many votes for Skyrim as the best Elder Scrolls game.
That's not nearly as sad as the Fallout poll. Skyrim, at least, isn't the worst game in its poll. Fallout 3? just terrible
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On December 19 2012 02:55 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 02:50 KwarK wrote:On December 19 2012 02:47 beamer159 wrote:On December 19 2012 02:41 TriZen wrote:
Well that took some time to complete! Will be interesting to see these results, just wondering why Super Mario 64 wasn't included in best super mario? Super Mario 64 wasn't included in this round of voting because I felt the 3D game was different enough from the 2D platformers in feel and style. It is still in the platformers bracket, so we will have 2 Mario games there. On December 19 2012 02:42 GGzerG wrote:
How is broodwar not one of the Best RTS games selected by TL ? ........... You've got to be kidding me. T_T As discussed in the previous thread, Starcraft should not be included because of the bias that Teamliquid holds towards those games. This seemed to be largely the majority opinion. So the RTS one is to find the second best RTS game? Look what I fucking read a few days ago (published Dec 14, 2012) http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/11469/article/top-20-best-rts-of-all-time-click-click-die/That last line.... looool
+ Show Spoiler + it's also host to a damn good multiplayer experience that has more to do with actual battlefield tactics instead of build orders. Eat your heart out, StarCraft.
Clearly he hasn't played any remotely competitive COH, lol.. Build orders are just as important.
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On December 19 2012 11:14 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:01 blockade wrote:
And it kinda make me sad to see so many votes for Skyrim as the best Elder Scrolls game. That's not nearly as sad as the Fallout poll. Skyrim, at least, isn't the worst game in its poll. Fallout 3? just terrible
The vote that was boycotted.
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On December 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 02:55 Xpace wrote:On December 19 2012 02:50 KwarK wrote:On December 19 2012 02:47 beamer159 wrote:On December 19 2012 02:41 TriZen wrote:
Well that took some time to complete! Will be interesting to see these results, just wondering why Super Mario 64 wasn't included in best super mario? Super Mario 64 wasn't included in this round of voting because I felt the 3D game was different enough from the 2D platformers in feel and style. It is still in the platformers bracket, so we will have 2 Mario games there. On December 19 2012 02:42 GGzerG wrote:
How is broodwar not one of the Best RTS games selected by TL ? ........... You've got to be kidding me. T_T As discussed in the previous thread, Starcraft should not be included because of the bias that Teamliquid holds towards those games. This seemed to be largely the majority opinion. So the RTS one is to find the second best RTS game? Look what I fucking read a few days ago (published Dec 14, 2012) http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/11469/article/top-20-best-rts-of-all-time-click-click-die/That last line.... looool + Show Spoiler + it's also host to a damn good multiplayer experience that has more to do with actual battlefield tactics instead of build orders. Eat your heart out, StarCraft. Clearly he hasn't played any remotely competitive COH, lol.. Build orders are just as important.
Some guy's list... meh. He says CoH, I say BW.
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I'm a bit upset at some of the polls, like the Resident Evil and etc. not including all the games. But overall this was a good effort of a OP.
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On December 19 2012 11:13 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim Why, if you don't mind me asking?
The choice between Imperials and Stormcloak was made to seem more important than it really was, and at one point you could end up switching to the other side. Oblivion's engine was obviously trying to move the game away from being a skill based rpg (by that I mean the actual skills in the game) which for obvious reasons was appealing to a lot of people, but really just removed depth from the game and made it easy beyond belief. Skyrim came along and then dumbed the game down even further, removed any real benefits from choosing one race over another, further reduced the impact of skills and then took a leaf out of cods book and added perks, which ended up being boring as shit (to me at least).
For me, beyond the pretty graphics and dramatic introduction, the storyline and offshoots just felt bland and predictable, and in the end the joy of a game which seemed like an improvement over Oblivion quickly faded, and I was left with a game that felt quite substantially more shallow then its predecessor.
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On December 19 2012 11:44 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:13 farvacola wrote:On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim Why, if you don't mind me asking? The choice between Imperials and Stormcloak was made to seem more important than it really was, and at one point you could end up switching to the other side. Oblivion's engine was obviously trying to move the game away from being a skill based rpg (by that I mean the actual skills in the game) which for obvious reasons was appealing to a lot of people, but really just removed depth from the game and made it easy beyond belief. Skyrim came along and then dumbed the game down even further, removed any real benefits from choosing one race over another, further reduced the impact of skills and then took a leaf out of cods book and added perks, which ended up being boring as shit (to me at least). For me, beyond the pretty graphics and dramatic introduction, the storyline and offshoots just felt bland and predictable, and in the end the joy of a game which seemed like an improvement over Oblivion quickly faded, and I was left with a game that felt quite substantially more shallow then its predecessor.
Ouch. Way to make everyone who likes Skyrim feel like a bit of a 'tard. I'm interested to know which one is genuinely better, having never played any of them ~except for Daggerfall.
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On December 19 2012 11:51 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:44 bo1b wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 farvacola wrote:On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim Why, if you don't mind me asking? The choice between Imperials and Stormcloak was made to seem more important than it really was, and at one point you could end up switching to the other side. Oblivion's engine was obviously trying to move the game away from being a skill based rpg (by that I mean the actual skills in the game) which for obvious reasons was appealing to a lot of people, but really just removed depth from the game and made it easy beyond belief. Skyrim came along and then dumbed the game down even further, removed any real benefits from choosing one race over another, further reduced the impact of skills and then took a leaf out of cods book and added perks, which ended up being boring as shit (to me at least). For me, beyond the pretty graphics and dramatic introduction, the storyline and offshoots just felt bland and predictable, and in the end the joy of a game which seemed like an improvement over Oblivion quickly faded, and I was left with a game that felt quite substantially more shallow then its predecessor. Ouch. Way to make everyone who likes Skyrim feel like a bit of a 'tard. I'm interested to know which one is genuinely better, having never played any of them ~except for Daggerfall.
That was definitely not my intention lol, and I'm quite certain there will be plenty of people who disagree with me.
A fully modded Morrowind makes a fully modded Skyrim/Oblivion look like crap imho.
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On December 19 2012 11:51 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:44 bo1b wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 farvacola wrote:On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim Why, if you don't mind me asking? The choice between Imperials and Stormcloak was made to seem more important than it really was, and at one point you could end up switching to the other side. Oblivion's engine was obviously trying to move the game away from being a skill based rpg (by that I mean the actual skills in the game) which for obvious reasons was appealing to a lot of people, but really just removed depth from the game and made it easy beyond belief. Skyrim came along and then dumbed the game down even further, removed any real benefits from choosing one race over another, further reduced the impact of skills and then took a leaf out of cods book and added perks, which ended up being boring as shit (to me at least). For me, beyond the pretty graphics and dramatic introduction, the storyline and offshoots just felt bland and predictable, and in the end the joy of a game which seemed like an improvement over Oblivion quickly faded, and I was left with a game that felt quite substantially more shallow then its predecessor. Ouch. Way to make everyone who likes Skyrim feel like a bit of a 'tard. I'm interested to know which one is genuinely better, having never played any of them ~except for Daggerfall.
Well, I enjoy Skyrim partly for aesthetic reasons, as I really enjoy its snowy, alpine environment and rustic Nordic sensibility, so my judgement is somewhat skewed. With the two DLC's, though I hate them conceptually, Skyrim is really a lot of fun with lots of material. I give it a slight nudge over Oblivion.
Edit: Yeah, mods change everything, I don't really think its fair to include them lol
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On December 19 2012 11:57 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:51 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 19 2012 11:44 bo1b wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 farvacola wrote:On December 19 2012 11:11 Scaramanga wrote:On December 19 2012 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On December 19 2012 07:46 bo1b wrote:
How in the world is Skyrim above Morrowind? Man, all you people saying this makes me want to play Morrowind. I never got around to it. It is undeniable though that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. No it's not, I'm of the opinion that oblivion is better than skyrim Why, if you don't mind me asking? The choice between Imperials and Stormcloak was made to seem more important than it really was, and at one point you could end up switching to the other side. Oblivion's engine was obviously trying to move the game away from being a skill based rpg (by that I mean the actual skills in the game) which for obvious reasons was appealing to a lot of people, but really just removed depth from the game and made it easy beyond belief. Skyrim came along and then dumbed the game down even further, removed any real benefits from choosing one race over another, further reduced the impact of skills and then took a leaf out of cods book and added perks, which ended up being boring as shit (to me at least). For me, beyond the pretty graphics and dramatic introduction, the storyline and offshoots just felt bland and predictable, and in the end the joy of a game which seemed like an improvement over Oblivion quickly faded, and I was left with a game that felt quite substantially more shallow then its predecessor. Ouch. Way to make everyone who likes Skyrim feel like a bit of a 'tard. I'm interested to know which one is genuinely better, having never played any of them ~except for Daggerfall. Well, I enjoy Skyrim partly for aesthetic reasons, as I really enjoy its snowy, alpine environment and rustic Nordic sensibility, so my judgement is somewhat skewed. With the two DLC's, though I hate them conceptually, Skyrim is really a lot of fun with lots of material. I give it a slight nudge over Oblivion. Edit: Yeah, mods change everything, I don't really think its fair to include them lol
Mods do change everything, and a completely un-modded comparison would have all three a lot closer.
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