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Deleted User 173346
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 27 2017 12:10 ticklishmusic wrote: Seen on the White House website: Praise for President Trump's Bold Action This is the saddest thing I've seen all day, and I watched an ASPCA commercial earlier. Maybe it's time we merge this thread with the "north Korea says/doew alarming things" thread? Seriously that's what I thought I was reading with a headline like that.. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45758 Posts
On January 27 2017 12:55 Thieving Magpie wrote: You're complicating it--it's called alternative discounts. I like avocados Curse you, Trump. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 27 2017 12:58 plasmidghost wrote: Anyone have predictions on who Trump picks for the Supreme Court? He said it'll be announced in 7 days He said the Obamacare replacement was coming out a week ago, don't set your clock by his promised ETAs. Also, if anyone wants a non-Rasmussen poll on Trump's approval that actually allows people to be undecided and doesn't arbitrarily calculate favorability purely from people with "strong" responses, his first five days aren't so hot in Quinnipiac: 36 approve-44 disapprove. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The Republican and Democratic conventions showcased an extraordinarily rare point of bipartisan consensus: stopping the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Yet, in the dog days of summer, Americans have received a rude awakening that the unpopular 12-nation trade deal is still on the table. This past Friday, President Obama put Congress on notice that a vote on TPP is coming in the lame duck period after the election. While the President recently conceded that TPP critics are “coming from a sincere concern about the position of workers and wages in this country,” he's also been hammering home a familiar and often-unchallenged fallback case for trade agreements: that TPP is essential for foreign policy and national security priorities. As a retired Brigadier General and 30-year veteran of the U.S. Army, I’ve long considered arguments for trade deals as national security strategies, including arguments for the TPP specifically as a “way to keep the peace in the Pacific” and counter China as it “flexes its economic and military muscle.” While I respect President Obama and the pact’s military backers, I believe these arguments miss a crucial point: By facilitating the further offshoring of America’s manufacturing base, the trade pact would actually undermine America’s military readiness and global economic standing. TPP would hurt our national security interests more than it would help. In 2013, the Pentagon’s Defense Science Board put forward a remarkable report describing one of the most significant but little-recognized threats to US security: deindustrialization. The report argued that the loss of domestic U.S. manufacturing facilities has not only reduced U.S. living standards but also compromised U.S. technology leadership “by enabling new players to learn a technology and then gain the capability to improve on it.” The report explained that the offshoring of U.S. manufacturing presents a particularly dangerous threat to U.S. military readiness through the “compromise of the supply chain for key weapons systems components.” I’ve seen these offshoring risks firsthand. Our military is now shockingly vulnerable to major disruptions in the supply chain, including from substandard manufacturing practices, natural disasters, and price gouging by foreign nations. Poor manufacturing practices in offshore factories lead to problem-plagued products, and foreign producers—acting on the basis of their own military or economic interests—can sharply raise prices or reduce or stop sales to the United States. The link between TPP and this kind of offshoring has been well-established. The proposed deal would not only repeat but magnify the mistakes of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), offering extraordinary privileges to companies that move operations overseas. Just this spring, an official U.S. government study by the International Trade Commission noted that the pact would further gut the U.S. manufacturing sector. This, following the loss of 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000, is a perilous proposition. Foreign policy and national security have long been the arguments of last resort for backers of controversial trade deals. A quarter century ago, we were warned that, unless NAFTA and deals with eight Latin American nations were enacted, China would come to dominate trade in the hemisphere. NAFTA passed, but America’s share of goods imported by Mexico fell, while China’s share rose by a staggering 2,600 percent. Today, following the implementation of several additional major trade deals, we’re still waiting for China to comply with its WTO commitments, and we’re still waiting for progress in dealing with our astronomical trade deficit. While the TPP’s backers present our choice as one of trade versus protectionism, this couldn’t be further from the truth. We already have free trade agreements with the six TPP countries that account for more than 80 percent of the promised trade. Because all TPP nations are currently members of the World Trade Organization, their tariffs have already been cut to minimal levels. Of TPP's 30 chapters, only six deal with traditional trade issues. The rest deal primarily with special privileges for multinational corporations and investors—like establishing the rights of companies to sue governments for cash compensation over the impacts of health and safety regulations. These dominant features of the TPP would vastly expand the rights of multinational firms that do not necessarily represent America’s national interests. Critics of the TPP come from both parties in Congress—and from the business, labor, environmental, consumer, human rights, and defense communities. These diverse players are not opposed to trade. Rather, most simply want a different trade model that facilitates the worthy goal of global engagement without shortchanging American workers, policymaking prerogatives, and national security capacities. While the Obama Administration has been wise to shift our defense and diplomatic attention towards the Asia-Pacific region, it’s now time for a “pivot” in our approach to trade. Brigadier General (Retired) John Adams served more than thirty years in command and staff assignments as an Army Aviator, Military Intelligence Officer, and Foreign Area Officer in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. Source | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the blog also makes the fairly common mistake of giving the impression that ISDS is a TPP invention, when the TPP restricts the scope of and size of ISDS rewards. looking deeper, the number for manufacturing contraction is mainly based on a proposed tariff reduction on japanese civilian automobiles. these are not military grade hardware, obviously, and the tariff reduction for these won't kick in for 30 years. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 27 2017 12:07 mustaju wrote: Source This will certainly not heal the division in the country, and will likely encourage far-right nativist crimes. Obviously there can be a slippery slope when it comes to execution, but there's also a false equivalence people unwittingly make, conflating illegal immigrants with all immigrants. There's nothing wrong with people who migrate through the proper channels, it's the subset of immigrants that are breaking the law that cause the problem. There's a lot of activity on Twitter, at least, referring to "immigrants being thrown under the bus", when the reality is not so black and white, and not so horrifying. I would wait to see immigration laws actually be enforced for once, before we worry about how it divides us as a people. I feel that's really a separate issue. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 27 2017 12:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Maybe it's time we merge this thread with the "north Korea says/doew alarming things" thread? Seriously that's what I thought I was reading with a headline like that.. "Trump says/does alarming thing" definitely deserves its own thread at the rate he's going. 1984 was the best seller on Amazon yesterday. 'Ignorance is strength' has rarely seemed so apt. Can't wait for Kelly-Anne Conway heading up the Ministry of Alternative Truth. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 27 2017 13:37 Scarecrow wrote: "Trump says/does alarming thing" definitely deserves its own thread at the rate he's going. 1984 was the best seller on Amazon yesterday. 'Ignorance is strength' has rarely seemed so apt. Can't wait for Kelly-Anne Conway heading up the Ministry of Alternative Truth. I grew up watching Lewis Black and George Carlin, I'm fully prepared for this train of euphemistic bullshit to roll through. And honestly, I think anyone who buys that tripe can be classified as plant life. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 27 2017 13:32 NewSunshine wrote: Obviously there can be a slippery slope when it comes to execution, but there's also a false equivalence people unwittingly make, conflating illegal immigrants with all immigrants. There's nothing wrong with people who migrate through the proper channels, it's the subset of immigrants that are breaking the law that cause the problem. There's a lot of activity on Twitter, at least, referring to "immigrants being thrown under the bus", when the reality is not so black and white, and not so horrifying. I would wait to see immigration laws actually be enforced for once, before we worry about how it divides us as a people. I feel that's really a separate issue. The H-1B stuff and some of the student visa changes he's pushing are pretty bad signs for legal immigrants, especially since Trump doesn't seem to hold with the concept of "grandfathering" anything in. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
One of Donald Trump’s prospective picks for the Supreme Court believes gay people should be prosecuted for having sex because they are not protected by the constitution. While serving as Alabama’s Attorney General in 2003, William H Pryor Jr wrote a legal brief in defence of a Texan law – later struck down by the Supreme Court – which criminalised consensual gay sex. He compared it to “polygamy, incest, paedophilia, prostitution, and adultery” and said the Alabama court had “never recognised a fundamental right to engage in sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual marriage, let alone to engage in homosexual sodomy”. “Such a right would be antithetical to the ‘traditional relation of the family’ that is as old and as fundamental as our entire civilisation”, he added. But he also said that anal sex between heterosexual partners was acceptable because it was not as bad as homosexual sex. He explained: “Texas is hardly alone in concluding that homosexual sodomy may have severe physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual consequences, which do not necessarily attend heterosexual sodomy, and from which Texas’s citizens need to be protected”. Source | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Fearing a loss of millions of dollars for defying immigration authorities, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday ordered county jails to comply with federal immigration detention requests — effectively gutting the county’s position as a “sanctuary” for immigrants in the country illegally. Gimenez cited an executive order signed Wednesday by President Donald Trump that threatened to cut federal grants for any counties or cities that don’t cooperate fully with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Since 2013, Miami-Dade has refused to indefinitely detain inmates who are in the country illegally and wanted by ICE — not based on principle, but because the federal government doesn’t fully reimburse the county for the expense. “In light of the provisions of the Executive Order, I direct you and your staff to honor all immigration detainer requests received from the Department of Homeland Security,” Gimenez wrote Daniel Junior, the interim director of the corrections and rehabilitation department, in a brief, three-paragraph memo. Unlike cities like San Francisco, Miami-Dade never declared itself a “sanctuary” and has resisted the label ever since the Justice Department listed the county as one in a May 2016 report. Foreseeing Trump’s crackdown on “sanctuary” jurisdictions, the county asked the feds to review its status last year. A decision is still pending. Read the rest here. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
it's not a sanctuary city by its own claim. the only complaints the city had is that ICE wasn't prompt about picking people up, and woudln't reimburse them for the expense of holding them. aka the feds aren't paying like they supposed to. so that's not dividend at all, tha'ts just bullying a fellow american township into doing work without being paid. aka an unfunded mandate, which the republicans like to harp about alot (and with considerable merit). | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
The President's first few days should be quiet, and we're going to quickly wish Donald's first week was so quiet. How much training does a middle-management employee go through? There's a lot to learn for this "job". Unfortunately, Tronald Dump has made it clear he already knows everything. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7166 Posts
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Falling
Canada11505 Posts
On January 27 2017 11:30 xDaunt wrote: Here is the Canadian perspective on Trump's assault on Mexico: Source. So does anyone really still doubt that Trump is doing the right thing for the US by going after Mexico so hard? I'm not seeing much to support the endless apologism of some Americans for Mexico. I was concerned when he was talking about renegotiating NAFTA (hey, wait! We're in that one too.) But he can knock himself out going after Mexico, if it's business as usual with Canada-US (minus another softwood trade war. Please not another one.) | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/26/donald-trumps-brazen-first-interview-as-president-annotated/?tid=pm_politics_pop This is a terrifying interview... with how he speaks i wonder if anyone would notice if he slipped into dementia. PRESIDENT TRUMP: It has periodically hit me. And it is a tremendous magnitude. And where you really see it is when you're talking to the generals about problems in the world. And we do have problems in the world. Big problems. The bigness also hits because the — the size of it. The size. | ||
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Curse you, Trump.