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Ok, spending cuts don't work as tax increases / tax cuts because nobody wants to lose their funding. Especially defense and social security because most of these people are old (enough to collect benefits on these programs), and/or are veterans (president pro tempore Daniel Inouye is a WW2 vet, many others are also vets or relatives of vets)
Space gets a big boost from the President if the President wins Florida. Bush made huge investments into the space program primarily for this reason. Green energy, things come through, but you also have the lobbies to consider. Congressmen can generally get along on things like this but the coal lobby or the corn lobby will come in and make sure their demands are heard and (usually) met. Sometimes it works too well (Cash for Clunkers, the green car initiative, nearly bankrupted that part of the government).
And you don't necessarily need the public to agree. Nixon only did it enough to get re-elected. The moon landing had negative response from the public at the time, but they went and did it anyway in the name of the space race. Same goes for Bush-41's policies (although Desert Storm was actually pretty popular).
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I really wish there were a chance to vote out my Congressmen, but I live in such a deep red area that the shit I hear from them actually appeals to the dumbasses who live in my district. I'd be much more at ease seeing them elected to another term if their #1 message wasn't to "oppose Obama," but to work out something to help me and the middle class.
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Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for.
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Lean towards anyone who supports the repealing of the travesty called "Obamacare"
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On September 18 2012 07:58 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:46 screamingpalm wrote:On September 18 2012 07:42 CajunMan wrote:On September 18 2012 07:36 screamingpalm wrote:On September 18 2012 07:25 Praetorial wrote:On September 18 2012 07:23 screamingpalm wrote:On September 18 2012 07:17 Praetorial wrote:
I'm in MA, so we have Brown vs. Warren coming up.
Personally, I favor Brown since he's been an exemplary representative and shown himself to be a committed partisan. I regard myself as a Democrat, but there's a point where we don't need more partisans in Congress.
I absolutely LOVE Elizabeth Warren! I wish we had that kind of excitement in elections over here lol. I wouldn't think twice about supporting her, she is one of the few out there standing up for consumers. I know, I have nothing against her, but honestly Congress needs more centrists, and that ideal is more important, in my opinion, then my personal views. MORE centrists?! I will definately have to agree to disagree there. :D From the left's POV... the Democratic party has been taken over by centrists. The choice for us is whether to try to take the party back or sever from it completely. Also, in American politics, centrist is pretty much right of center compared to the rest of the world. Centrist politics is a big part of what brought us to the current mess we have (Clintonites etc). Elizabeth Warren is one of the few politicians that actually champions consumers and the working class, and not just with rhetoric. I wish I was in a state that had such a meaningful choice. Actually the Democrat party was almost all centralist for a long time and slowly shifted left in this day Jimmy Carter would probably be a Republican. Must be perception, as I would disagree with that- I feel they have shifted right compared with JFK, LBJ, FDR, etc. Hell, Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, and Eisenhower are probably to the left of modern day Dems. :D Instead of wandering around in vague perceptions and personal opinions you could always shed some actual light to the process? http://voteview.com/blog/?p=494We need more centrists, polarization and extreme politics is the hipster thing to do these days.
I don't know about centralists and non-partisan is possible in the next election. The Democratic party had shown it was more "centralist" in terms of not having people agree with each other and momentarily gridlocking the government last time, but the party discipline of the Republican party is astounding. Two major government gridlocks that nearly lead to a budget crisis, perpetrated mainly by the Republicans? The Democrats haven't been so far left of central as to risk two budget crises. I don't really see this as a moment to introduce more centralists and restrain the government when we have several issues on our hand that demand immediate action.
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Dear lord. I wish I knew more about state politics, but the Presidential election thread is already a handful.
I just hope American citizens have the sense to vote based on state/local issues, and not simply party lines.
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On September 22 2012 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.Show nested quote +
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for.
Damnit, apparently I haven't been giving my boys in Congress enough credit. Half the output of a typical Congress? I wonder where that sits in the least productive congresses of the 21st and 20th centuries. Congressional approval rate be damned, the less they pass the kind of pork barrel spending bills (and earmarks, and pork that's tacked onto other bills) and that come out of there, the happier I am. You know when the media complains of "bitter partisanship" in America that means the conservative side of the Republican party has been sticking to its guns instead of being dragged leftward (and the center with it!).
EDIT: tip of the iceberg of the larger point I'm addressing here
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On September 22 2012 20:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for. Damnit, apparently I haven't been giving my boys in Congress enough credit. Half the output of a typical Congress? I wonder where that sits in the least productive congresses of the 21st and 20th centuries. Congressional approval rate be damned, the less they pass the kind of pork barrel spending bills (and earmarks, and pork that's tacked onto other bills) and that come out of there, the happier I am. You know when the media complains of "bitter partisanship" in America that means the conservative side of the Republican party has been sticking to its guns instead of being dragged leftward (and the center with it!). EDIT: tip of the iceberg of the larger point I'm addressing here
So you're saying things should get a little better between now and November since all the congressmen are out campaigning?
I have to say maybe we should go a little bit left. America is far more conservative than say, Western Europe or Japan. I'm a Republican but I wouldn't mind going a little left (and the Democrats going a little right) if that meant that we could finally start checking off things on our to-do list. I haven't paid attention to much of the legislation that's been passing, but a lot of the bipartisan bills out there are the ones where both sides are being lobbied (SOPA) or where it benefits both sides but not the people they represent (arresting people for protesting at a political speech).
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On September 22 2012 20:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for. Damnit, apparently I haven't been giving my boys in Congress enough credit. Half the output of a typical Congress? I wonder where that sits in the least productive congresses of the 21st and 20th centuries. Congressional approval rate be damned, the less they pass the kind of pork barrel spending bills (and earmarks, and pork that's tacked onto other bills) and that come out of there, the happier I am. You know when the media complains of "bitter partisanship" in America that means the conservative side of the Republican party has been sticking to its guns instead of being dragged leftward (and the center with it!). EDIT: tip of the iceberg of the larger point I'm addressing here
And women. 
You raise a good point on a stalling Congress and Senate: the less they do, the less pork that gets passed. I agree with you totally on that. Unfortunately, I feel we need to do something about our debt and budget, and I don't think people will like it because it would have to be some substantial cuts to the budget. Then the issue becomes, "What do we cut?" And that's tough because no one can agree on what we will allow ourselves to sacrifice. :-\ (I've a hundred different things I want to can and nix, but it'd never get past our current Senate....)
I gotta wonder why, back in the earlier two years of Obama's presidency, the Dem-controlled House and Senate didn't pass tons and tons of legislature. Sure, it's probably for political purposes; when it passed, and if it didn't work, people would vote them out. However, now that folks think they just sat on their hands when they had majority control of both parts, they're likely to get voted out anyway for inactivity.
Now that they're leaving for a whole seven weeks to campaign,... *facepalm* I think the best campaigning this season in my eyes would be to keep working to get our government money and spending under control. Ads be darned; they just show work that these reps aren't doing.
On September 23 2012 00:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 20:34 Danglars wrote:On September 22 2012 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for. Damnit, apparently I haven't been giving my boys in Congress enough credit. Half the output of a typical Congress? I wonder where that sits in the least productive congresses of the 21st and 20th centuries. Congressional approval rate be damned, the less they pass the kind of pork barrel spending bills (and earmarks, and pork that's tacked onto other bills) and that come out of there, the happier I am. You know when the media complains of "bitter partisanship" in America that means the conservative side of the Republican party has been sticking to its guns instead of being dragged leftward (and the center with it!). EDIT: tip of the iceberg of the larger point I'm addressing here So you're saying things should get a little better between now and November since all the congressmen are out campaigning? I have to say maybe we should go a little bit left. America is far more conservative than say, Western Europe or Japan. I'm a Republican but I wouldn't mind going a little left (and the Democrats going a little right) if that meant that we could finally start checking off things on our to-do list. I haven't paid attention to much of the legislation that's been passing, but a lot of the bipartisan bills out there are the ones where both sides are being lobbied (SOPA) or where it benefits both sides but not the people they represent (arresting people for protesting at a political speech).
What sort of "lefty" things would you propose/support?
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I would support tax increases and defense cuts. Obamacare wouldn't be too bad with a few tweaks such as fixing the scales, because depending on where you are the premiums the average person pays doesn't justify the few added benefits at that level. I'll elaborate more on this when I get home.
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The moment I discovered that both Boxer and Feinstein supported PIPA and SOPA, I voted against them. That said I don't see any reason why they'd lose their seats. They are not unpopular from what I can tell in California, which is sad because that popularity is just a result of incumbency and not much else.
Schiff (my representative) is a bit of a different story. Despite whatever differences on some views he may have with me, he's been an awesome congressmen holding telephone town halls and he or his staff respond promptly to whatever emails I've sent him.
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On September 22 2012 19:41 Defacer wrote:
Dear lord. I wish I knew more about state politics, but the Presidential election thread is already a handful.
I just hope American citizens have the sense to vote based on state/local issues, and not simply party lines.
I find state politics here in Mass to be pretty sane. The democrats have the legislature locked up and voters bounce between dems and reps for governor. It seems to work well. The dems do a good job pushing things forward and when the government gets too bloated a rep governor comes in to reform and restructure it.
I think the people we send to congress aren't as good as they should be, but definitely better than average. My biggest complaint about who we send to congress would be the perma-incumbants Barney Frank. I'm not a big fan of politicians for life.
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On September 23 2012 01:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I would support tax increases and defense cuts. Obamacare wouldn't be too bad with a few tweaks such as fixing the scales, because depending on where you are the premiums the average person pays doesn't justify the few added benefits at that level. I'll elaborate more on this when I get home.
Woah a Republican that supports tax increases and defense cuts and isn't 100% opposed to Obamacare out of principle?
I actually really do want to hear what you have to elaborate on, because you sir are an anomaly.
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On September 22 2012 20:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 10:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Update: Congress is making its final session for the year.
It’s the earliest pre-election exit by Congress from Washington since 1960, though lawmakers will return in November after the election to deal with its stack of unfinished work.
The approval rating for the current Congress in a Gallup poll earlier this month sank to just 13 percent, the lowest ever for an election year. The GOP-controlled House and Democratic Senate managed to come together with Obama to enact just 173 new laws. More are coming after the election, but the current tally is roughly half the output of a typical Congress.
Even so, political pundits say Republicans are strong favorites to keep the House while Democratic chances of keeping the Senate are on the upswing with Obama’s rise in the polls.
The exit from Washington leaves the bulk of Congress’ agenda for a postelection session in which it’s hoped lawmakers will be liberated from the election-year paralysis that has ground Capitol Hill to a near halt.
Topping the lame-duck agenda is dealing with the so-called fiscal cliff, which combines the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts on Dec. 31 and more than $100 billion in indiscriminate, across-the-board spending cuts set to strike at the same time as punishment for the failure of last year’s deficit "supercommittee" to strike a deal.
Also left in limbo is the farm bill, stalled in the House due to opposition from conservative Republicans who think it doesn’t cut farm subsidies and food stamps enough and Democrats who think its food stamp cuts are too harsh.
The current farm act expires on Sept. 30 but the lapse won’t have much practical effect in the near term. Still, it’s a political black eye for Republicans, especially those from farm states like North Dakota and Iowa.
The lack of productivity of the 112th Congress was the result of divided government and bitter partisanship. The looming presidential and congressional elections caused top leaders in both parties to play it safe and stick to party positions.
Well... at least now I'm 100% sure who I'm voting for. Damnit, apparently I haven't been giving my boys in Congress enough credit. Half the output of a typical Congress? I wonder where that sits in the least productive congresses of the 21st and 20th centuries. Congressional approval rate be damned, the less they pass the kind of pork barrel spending bills (and earmarks, and pork that's tacked onto other bills) and that come out of there, the happier I am. You know when the media complains of "bitter partisanship" in America that means the conservative side of the Republican party has been sticking to its guns instead of being dragged leftward (and the center with it!). EDIT: tip of the iceberg of the larger point I'm addressing here
You realize that this sort of attitude is detrimental to a democracy right? You simply cannot have an elected representative government operate without compromise. If both sides refused to budge from their political talking points you'd have a government that simply failed to operate.
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On September 23 2012 03:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 01:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I would support tax increases and defense cuts. Obamacare wouldn't be too bad with a few tweaks such as fixing the scales, because depending on where you are the premiums the average person pays doesn't justify the few added benefits at that level. I'll elaborate more on this when I get home. Woah a Republican that supports tax increases and defense cuts and isn't 100% opposed to Obamacare out of principle? I actually really do want to hear what you have to elaborate on, because you sir are an anomaly.
I think he's recommending these things to compromise so that stuff actually gets done. It seems to me to be more of a situational decision rather than one based on a strict precept.
I, for one, don't like those ideas because I'm so stubbornly "right" politically. But perhaps at the national level, such compromises should be made. ...Hmmm. Perhaps the larger issue we're seeing here is entrusting too much power to the federal government, and not able to sort things out at the state and even local level. For example, I'd be much more pleased with a locally very conservative (or liberal or libertarian, etc.) government, and in D.C. a far smaller, more centrist government. That way, people would have more power over their individual governments and wouldn't be quite as affected as what's decided upon in D.C.
Basically, more power to the states; less to D.C.
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On September 23 2012 01:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
The moment I discovered that both Boxer and Feinstein supported PIPA and SOPA, I voted against them. That said I don't see any reason why they'd lose their seats. They are not unpopular from what I can tell in California, which is sad because that popularity is just a result of incumbency and not much else.
Schiff (my representative) is a bit of a different story. Despite whatever differences on some views he may have with me, he's been an awesome congressmen holding telephone town halls and he or his staff respond promptly to whatever emails I've sent him.
That's a definite plus for Schiff. Here in NJ our governor does something similar to that and not only did it make his approval rating go up, but he's adjusted his policies based on what people asked him about. We need more politicians like this since it gives transparency and generally makes voters and politicians more in-touch with each other.
On September 23 2012 03:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 01:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I would support tax increases and defense cuts. Obamacare wouldn't be too bad with a few tweaks such as fixing the scales, because depending on where you are the premiums the average person pays doesn't justify the few added benefits at that level. I'll elaborate more on this when I get home. Woah a Republican that supports tax increases and defense cuts and isn't 100% opposed to Obamacare out of principle? I actually really do want to hear what you have to elaborate on, because you sir are an anomaly.
Time to elaborate then!
On Facebook I'm getting notifications from the pages both Obama and Romney, as well as two Republican pages and a Democrat page. All of this reminds me day by day how both sides are virtually the same, with only one very small difference.
The difference between the fans of the Republican pages and the Democrat pages are that the former believe what the Republicans have to say, and the latter believe what the Democrats have to say. That is the only difference. Were they to watch CNN, they would find broadcasts of both parties. Were they to watch FOX or MSNBC, they would find broadcasts of both parties.
However, FOX knows that its viewers believe more of what Republicans have to say and commentate accordingly, and MSNBC (and to a much lesser extent CNN) knows its viewers believe the Democrats more and commentate accordingly. There is nothing stopping either side from changing the channel and hearing out the other side.
There are people on the far right, as there are people on the far left. But only some of those people are there because they have taken everything in consideration. If they have weighed all the facts and strongly support either party, more power to them. The rest just grew up that way (family or environment, not a lot of Democrats in Alabama), jump on the first boat they see, or just vote for the guy who (is/isn't) black.
Obamacare isn't perfect, and honestly it's useless for me. My family and I are still receiving the same benefits, except now we have to pay for the people who are receiving more. We have gained zero from this. But it's a good first step towards something that does work. Something closer.
So here's where all of this comes in. I believe that the middle class gets shafted so much because the Republicans are too busy appeasing the rich, and the Democrats are too busy appeasing the poor. Which leaves nobody for the middle. I'd be willing to concede things like tax increases which, although I'm personally not in favor of a tax increase and I'm straddling the fence on defense cuts, it's things that might work if the Democrats are given some leeway to work in that area, and in return give the Republicans some leeway to put forward some plans of their own.
The whole point in electing Presidents and Senators is to find people who represent the whole country, not just their party. We need one Congress which agrees with itself on what to do, not two groups of squabbling zealots in a large room who engage in a dick-measuring contest for periods of two years before going out campaigning so they can get invited to the next dick-measuring contest.
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So basically you believe in compromise for the sake of progress. What a novel idea.
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Vindicare, is the Schiff you're referring to "Peter Schiff?"
Sentinel: I think you hit a good point there. We emphasize the national elections far too highly, when we should be focused on more concentrated changes in states and cities. More zealots in the counties, and more centrists in the (albeit less powerful than it is today) national government?
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If I do vote, I'm voting Bongino.
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