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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
September 10 2012 15:04 GMT
#101
Happiness is a perspective. People can always find reasons to be happy or reasons to be unhappy.

This is of course a joke, but it also is kind of wise:
"What to do if you find yourself stuck with no hope of rescue: Consider yourself lucky that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far — which, given your present circumstances, seems more likely — consider yourself lucky that it won't be troubling you much longer"
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
September 10 2012 15:05 GMT
#102
I find alot of happiness in music, some tracks I listen to and I just get filled to the brim with this blissful feeling. Like nothing can go wrong and everything is alright. At those moments I feel completely happy.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
September 10 2012 15:07 GMT
#103
You will not appreciate what you have until you lose it.
Comparing BW with SCII is like comparing a beautiful three-master sailing ship with a modern battlecruiser. Both are beautiful in their own way, both perform the same task, but they are worlds apart in how they are built and how they are steered.
lodeet
Profile Joined September 2011
United States147 Posts
September 10 2012 15:09 GMT
#104
On September 10 2012 15:37 Kich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 15:24 cari-kira wrote:
On September 10 2012 15:09 Kich wrote:
On September 10 2012 14:59 cari-kira wrote:
On September 10 2012 14:47 Kich wrote:
Happiness is pretty fucking simple. There was a time in high school where I was really mopey about shit all the time and then I was like, "This isn't worth it, I'm just going to be happy about shit and do things that make me happy."

It's been like, I dunno, 8 or 9 years now and I've been almost universally happy about everything. Happiness is a choice. Find shit that makes you happy and just be like "This is how I need to feel about everything." You know what it was for me? Putting on new socks. I was like "This feeling is how I should feel about doing anything." So I did. And after that it was being good at Counter-strike, and then it was being good at WoW, and then it was being good at Magic, and then it was being good at my major in college, and then it was being good at looking good, and then it was just the general understanding that I'm kind of an awesome dude and I should be ok in life. And now I'm ok in life because I have a lot of self esteem because I made myself have a lot of self esteem.

Relevant video:
http://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_better_work.html

The relevant concept of the video is that happiness is mostly created within. By knowing everything about you as a person it's only possible to predict 10% of your longterm happiness, 90% of it is created from within, it's how you perceive reality. And that's pretty much it at it's core. Don't look for happiness, experience it. If happiness is something you are trying to achieve you're actively doing it wrong. Happiness is a state of mind. You can literally train yourself to be happy and that video goes over a lot of good ways of doing it. For example: write down 3 different things you're grateful for every day without repeating them for 21 days, over the course of time your mind starts actively searching for positive things rather than negative things. It gets harder to dig deep and find something completely new to be happy about as the time goes on but there's always something.

Another book that really helped me achieve happiness was The Paradox of Choice. I read this book in my junior year of college and it literally changed my life. I've lived by it's ideas ever since and I've come to a point where decision making for me is near instantaneous and I've never been disappointed about a decision I've made for the past 3 years. To put it very simply, the book explains that a lot of human anxiety and depression can be linked to the sheer number of choices that we have when making decisions. When you want to buy a new watch, you have online stores, local malls, thousands of different watches you can buy. The fact that you can return it if you don't like it makes it even worse, it makes decisions meaningless and stressful. Some people might spend all day browsing only to find three or four different watches that they couldn't decide between.

Think about how often that kind of shit happens to you. Any decision in which you have 2 or more choices and you have trouble making that decision. You buy one, but then you know what immediately happens to most people? They start thinking about the things they liked about the other ones and constantly question the choice they made. This causes a ton of stress. You don't want that.

This has gone kind of long, but here's my advice to legit teaching yourself to be happy:

Step 1: Spend an enormous amount of your time self-analyzing yourself specifically about things that make you happy. If you like a band, really sit down and evaluate exactly what about their music makes you like them. Is it certain riffs or tones or lyrics they use? If you like a color, what it is about that color, where else do you see it? I mean like, dig fucking deep about absurdly minor things. What kind of cups do you like drinking out of, what kind of textures do you like feeling with your hands, what shape of shoes do you like, what breakfast foods do you like, what smells do you like, really examine everything about everything. I ask people around me about stuff like this a lot and I literally lost count of how many people have told me that they only have these kinds of conversations with me. A lot of people (most) don't think about what makes them happy or why it even does. But when you can accurately assess what about certain things makes you happy you've opened up a path. You can definitively say "I really like this because of this." It doesn't even have to be logical, I don't really like pancakes that much because they're too bready--the fuck does that even mean? I know what it means but it's still a sort of undefined term.

I should make it clear that step 1 took me about a year, maybe a year and a half.

Step 2: Through analyzing what makes you happy you'll find that you realize you don't like a lot of things for no particular reason other than you don't. Which is fine. This is where you should learn to make better choices IE: Read "The Paradox of Choice" and follow that shit to the core. Guess how long it took me to buy my watch that I get constant praise and recognition for? No more than 12 seconds. Walked up to counter, said I wanted a square face with no numbers on it, was presented with like 12 in the case. First one I looked at, bought it. Not every choice is a snap decision, but honest to god most choices just don't fucking matter enough to worry about them. It's a goddamn watch. Learning to make smaller decisions better translates well into making harder bigger decisions easier. It often comes down to simply asking yourself "which one would make me happier"? Which you know what? You'll know after step 1.

Step 3: Step 3 happens sort of simultaneously through steps 1 and 2 but it's positive psychology at it's core. Just be ok with who you are and what you like doing and stop having so much nerd shame and shit. Be ok with what you look like, be ok with what you like, be ok with the decisions you make, and be ok with you who are.

I would highly recommend reading The Men's Fashion Thread here on team liquid. Learn to look good. It sounds stupid but you do feel better about yourself when you spend time to make yourself look good. And as an added bonus and plug, I'm quoted on their front post about what it actually means to appreciate fashion and how you look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479

It's exactly why I dress well. I spend money on that shit. People noticing makes me feel better and there's actually nothing wrong with it, you know why? Because I notice too. I get up, I get dressed, and I'm like "Fuckin a I look good." and it's stupid shit like that that reinforces that I'm happy about myself.

I taught myself to be happy, I taught myself to make decisions that make me happy, I taught myself to be happy with who I am, and I go out of my way to try and teach others the same thing. Happiness in it's entirety is about how you perceive your own reality.


reads like a "howto being a proud prig"


That seems to contradict your signature. But you're obviously correct. Knowing what makes you happy, making better decisions, and appreciating yourself for who you are aren't ways to be happy at all. Just find something else that makes yourself happy...that'll work.

(That was sarcasm, I legitimately wouldn't advise doing that)


well i had a bad conscience writing that, but reading this and him being so scientology-like propagating the true way to happiness step by step i just had to. no happiness comes from that. you just try to ignore your true feelings by "reprogramming" yourself, but after some years it will kick back, when you realize that you are only an empty shell.


It's not about reprogramming yourself, you clearly misread it. It's about actively acknowledging what's already there. Do you have any idea how infrequently people actually ask and legitimately answer explicitly what makes them happy or what about something makes them happy? Once you can actually quantify what it is about whatever already makes you happy you're more conscious about what makes you happy to begin with and you can cater your lifestyle towards it.

I don't understand what in my post constituted "reprogramming", the entirety of it is saying, in your own words, that you should analyze what your "true feelings" are and why they're like that.

What draws you to the cereal you eat in the morning, what radio stations do you like to listen to, what kind of humor do you like, etc. That isn't making these things up you're asking yourself "Why?" when presented with something you already like and are answering it to let yourself learn about yourself.

I can't even tell you how many people, that if you were to really dig deep on them, know almost nothing about themselves--you want to talk about being like a robot, look at most people. They listen to music they eat food they dress a certain way and it's all automatic, they have no idea why and they don't even bother to ask themselves. They have trouble making basic life decisions because they have no grip of what it is that actually makes them happy. When you know what makes you happy, truly happy, making decisions towards that end becomes much easier, it tumbles into a lifestyle where for the most part you just like everything because you surround yourself with things you like, people you like, you dress the way you like, and you like yourself.

To address the scientology remark, I'm a devout athiest.


That would be the point of reprogramming. Like you said people don't know why they do the things they do it is all automatic. The point of reprogramming is to break away from the current thought patterns. Replacing the negative with positive. It's not so much as just knowing what makes you happy. You have to be able to fully love and accept yourself for who you are first before you can truely become happy.

People generally cannot self analyize. It is always easy to see it in other people but to look at yourself is very difficult. I reccomend therapy to help figure that shit out. Also you have to be completely open minded and willing to change if you want to make a difference. The more open minded you are and the higher your willingness to learn and change the faster happiness will find you.
Rictusz
Profile Joined September 2011
Latvia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 15:16:33
September 10 2012 15:10 GMT
#105
I dont think theres a certain thing that makes me happy. Many of the things that could bring a moment of happiness can also depress me.
Starcraft for example can bring you a moment of joy when you know you have played well and then later on you'll just get depressed of how bad you are at it and no its not just video games that can be reffered to alot of things i do daily/often.
;o
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
September 10 2012 15:11 GMT
#106
Good sex
Good gaming
Good food
Good drinking
Freelancer veteran
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
September 10 2012 15:16 GMT
#107
Knowing that I will be able to feed my child immense amounts of knowledge
FallenStar
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain118 Posts
September 10 2012 15:16 GMT
#108
It may seem dumb (and it probably is), but this video of Day[9] helped me:

http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-s-musings-being-relentlessly-positive-5837990

The show must go on!
"Forget about motivation. If you want something, just fucking do it" - Day[9]
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 10 2012 15:24 GMT
#109
Good hair days make me happy.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
lodeet
Profile Joined September 2011
United States147 Posts
September 10 2012 15:25 GMT
#110
On September 11 2012 00:10 Rictusz wrote:
I dont think theres a certain thing that makes me happy. Many of the things that could bring a moment of happiness can also depress me.
Starcraft for example can bring you a moment of joy when you know you have played well and then later on you'll just get depressed of how bad you are at it and no its not just video games that can be reffered to alot of things i do daily/often.


But if you don't get depressed about it your only happy right?

It is possible to change your thought process so you don't get depressed even if you acknowledge how bad you are. You just have to realize it's ok to be bad it doesn't matter. You shouldn't compare yourself to anyone else.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
September 10 2012 15:25 GMT
#111
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ownyah
Profile Joined April 2012
146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 15:30:32
September 10 2012 15:29 GMT
#112
I have never experienced the feeling "happy", maybe because I am far too realistic.
PappJoe
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark1 Post
September 10 2012 15:29 GMT
#113
This short YouTube clip gives another perspective on happiness in our modern society.
It has some good points.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7R7nmmsso
Just beat it!
Lynda
Profile Joined May 2010
649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 08:37:10
September 10 2012 15:31 GMT
#114
I realised the only way someone really gets to know the true value of something is by losing it, or by having to wait for something they really desperately want for a very long amount of time. Absence is what really gives value and therefore happiness when you obtain/reobtain something. So it has a lot to do with perspective.
Rictusz
Profile Joined September 2011
Latvia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 15:40:22
September 10 2012 15:38 GMT
#115
On September 11 2012 00:25 lodeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:10 Rictusz wrote:
I dont think theres a certain thing that makes me happy. Many of the things that could bring a moment of happiness can also depress me.
Starcraft for example can bring you a moment of joy when you know you have played well and then later on you'll just get depressed of how bad you are at it and no its not just video games that can be reffered to alot of things i do daily/often.


But if you don't get depressed about it your only happy right?

It is possible to change your thought process so you don't get depressed even if you acknowledge how bad you are. You just have to realize it's ok to be bad it doesn't matter. You shouldn't compare yourself to anyone else.


Nope , just because im not depressed does not mean im happy. There are certain things that trigger happiness/depression at whatever I do and you just sort of get used to them and eventually not feel any change in my emotional state at all so im not sure if im happy/depressed or just "standard" , which is why its hard to pick one thing that makes me happy.
;o
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 10 2012 15:49 GMT
#116
On September 11 2012 00:29 ownyah wrote:
I have never experienced the feeling "happy", maybe because I am far too realistic.

You've never felt content in your life at all? Are you sure that you've never felt happy, or do you think that it makes you more intelligent to take such a cynical point of view?
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
September 10 2012 15:50 GMT
#117
Cant say i am ever going to be happier than my son getting out of the ICU after open heart surgery.Which brings up a good point that perspective has alot to do with happiness and experience changes what happiness is to you. If you asked me 5 years ago what happiness is i would have said something entirely different.
aznboi918
Profile Joined February 2010
United States70 Posts
September 10 2012 15:57 GMT
#118
On September 10 2012 10:00 wajd wrote:
I don't have much to be happy about with the current state of my life. In fact I honestly cannot remember the last time I was happy. Or the last time I woke up and was proud to start the day. The only thing that keeps me here is playing SC. My dream is to become good enough to be able to play at an MLG or such events. But I am nowhere close. Been trying to about 2 and a half years now. Nobody wants to help. Nobody cares.

What is like to excel at something like SC? Is it worth it? For those who have competed in a live event, I envy you. I want to be that good at this game.
I think that will make me happy. It would make me happy. But I doubt it will happen.

What is it like to be happy? What do you consider happiness to be?

Sorry for asking such repetitive questions...


Do you play starcraft because you love it and it's your passion or do you play it as an escape from reality? I kinda went through your situation before but it was with cs 1.6... it got me nowhere. You won't make it pro unless you love playing the game in the first place.
Look at your life right now, I'm sure that overall it may seem bad but there are definitely special moments that you are missing . focus on those who care and those who love you and the things you love to do.
"I want to share my bloody tears with those who cry because the road they chose was too difficult, or those that gave up their dreams to take the road that was a little easier." (Lim Yo Hwan)
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 16:07:37
September 10 2012 15:58 GMT
#119
Happiness is a feeling. And to me it's a very important motivator and something I strive for every day.


There are many many many ways to acheive this feeling.
Examples:
Being loved
Giving love
Doing something you care about
Doing something fun, joking, silly things
Acheive something you've worked for
Stopping to appreciate what you have
You can get it from feeling you belong somewhere or from going to somewhere else
Feeling you are good at something
Finding a meaning with the things you do.
Dealing with things that holds your happiness back
Accepting the bad things to focus on the good things.
Being able to do stuff, maybe even effortlessly. Having the energy to do so.

These are worded abit abstract. You could also just make alot of concrete examples.

Some of these won't trigger your happiness and maybe you feel that none of them will. If you're feeling like that I believe that it's often because the bad things in your life take up so much of you that the good things that you can't find room for them in your life. Still I would recommend focusing as much as possible on things that you feel should make you happy, even if it's just that they should make you happy in theory. Even if I wasn't able to be happy, I'd still fight for the chance to be.

The choosing to be happy is not completely wrong either. For instance, it has been proven that even if you put on the most fake smile that you can, and even if you don't mean it at all, it will still make you happier, or less sad atleast.
Working out is another thing that has been proven to help and cure depressions. That is something concrete that you can just force yourself to do. Not only is there a chance of feeling accomplished and good about yourself, you also get more dopamin activity to be happier and endorphin to help with possible physical pain.

Also remember, even if you do not do anything, life changes and things happen all the time. What is today could not be tomorrow. Feelings come and go. Everything comes and goes. You'll never know when you will wake up and things have changed.

But anyway, this is just what I believe. You should definitely seek professional help if you are depressed.
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 10 2012 15:58 GMT
#120
Happiness is knowing that there is someone who genuinely cares about you.
Haven't felt happy since a few years though, so maybe i'm just too bitter.
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