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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 05:18:51
January 26 2012 15:40 GMT
#1
What is Fashion?

Simultaneously art, personal expression, and a mixed media that encompasses the overall aesthetic of the human body, fashion can be interpreted in multiple ways. For many, it is simply “how to impress” – filled with a multitude of rules to be followed and a statement to be made. For the more initiated, it is the ultimate form of social identity; you judge what you see, so one controls what others are able to see. Yet still, for some, fashion is an art to be mastered.

I feel this thread leans in the direction of the first interpretation the most. Most of those that post simply need advice on how to dress themselves to be more “grown up,” or “professional.” We are here to help. Don’t be scared – how you present yourself is important to success in today’s society, and fashion is more than just clothes. Every part of your visual, and sometimes beyond, goes into how you are perceived. From your clothing to your hair, from personal hygiene to the way you walk, and sometimes even how you smell (or for the lucky, taste) can go into your presentation.

I only ask that you post basic information about yourself – height, weight, measurements (instead of body type!), basic lifestyle (student, working, etc), and the area you live in. This is to ensure you get the best advice tailored to you! There’s no point in being recommended a down coat if you live in Southern California and ask for a “jacket for the cold.”

For those in the latter two groups, we welcome you. I hope everyone can be within the second group – aware of one’s perceived social identity and caring for how they represent themselves. For the select few who go beyond a personal tie in and look into the world of runways and designers, we love you just as well.




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Suiting

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  • On not buying a black suit
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  • Grey vs Navy (outside US)
  • Buttons
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  • Hair
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http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/jwd
http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/lnn5k/how_to_build_a_wardrobe/
http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/forum.php?s=c0e7f5e135df30ba7826ad20abfa6e87
http://superfuture.com/
http://www.styleforum.net/
http://stylezeitgeist.com/forums/
http://www.thefashionspot.com/
http://www.ssense.com/
http://www.mrporter.com/
http://www.gravitypope.com/


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>why is cuffing necesssary
"Necessary" is a hard word. I'd say that a lot of people have come to enjoy cuffing because getting the perfect break on a pant can be hard sometimes and also because cuffing changes up the proportion of a pant really easily. Also, some folks wear pants with different shoes, so cuffed a pant leg can help a pant work better with one shoe while leaving it uncuffed might work better with another. In general, I think that cuffing isn't a bad thing unless you're just doing it without really keeping an eye on your overall outfit. If you're into that "heritage", "menswear" thing and you really enjoy loading up an outfit with lots of little extra flourishes like that, then go for it, I guess.

>in what situations do you use "flashy" socks
I think guys should feel free to wear whatever colors and patterns they like, but I also recognize that having a bold intarsia pullover isn't always appropriate. I think if you're wearing a relatively fashion-minded suit, it's fine to pair it with socks that are a little louder and maybe pull a little more attention. You've got folks who love that no-break, slightly baggy trouser who also love a heavily textured sock (e.g. Engineered Garments pant + White Mountaineering sock) and you've got folks who prefer a really clean, fitted suit with something that just has a single, bold dose of color (e.g. Paul Smith suit + Richard James sock), so it really depends on what you're trying to achieve.

>why are more simple designs more expensive in general
The question is a bit generalizing. I find that the simpler the design, the more precise it has to be. You don't have extra details like drape or pattern or texture to hide any imperfections in cut, material, or fit, so if it's a really straightforward, simple item - it better be done really well. And that extra attention to cut, material, fit, etc. requires more work. And I'm not just talking about work in producing the item, but also think about research into it. Failed patterns, garments sampled with poor fabrics, and so on.

>why bother investing so much time in fashion?
Because I think it's interesting. I think people's relationship to their clothes is very complicated and I think it's a subject worth exploring. In many ways, you wear what is fashionable, but you also influence how the collective notion of fashion is formed; it's a system in which each person is both input and output.

>how do you know if something is worth how much it costs if you don't have access to a physical version of it
"Worth" and "value" are very fraught issues. I think it's important to get your hands on clothes as much as you can if you want to learn about clothes, educating your eye and your hand to how fabric works, how it feels. How a pima cotton yarn feels compared to one made with really short staples. How much heavier camel is than mohair. How black calfskin looks against your skin as opposed to brown lambskin. Online stores make it easier where you can just send things back if it doesn't meet your standards, but I think it just begins by being very clear what your budget is and how much you feel like spending. You shouldn't feel compelled to buy something out of your budget just because someone has told you it's better. You should ask, "Is it better for me? Is it a good value proposition given what I can afford?"

>why are floral patterns so popular
There's been a resurgence in the last few years of men being willing to adorn themselves, to dress themselves and I think that embracing more elaborate patterns and textures has been a big part of that. It's not because the pattern is floral that modern buyers and modern customers are drawn to it; it's more that the use of print implies a certain thoughtfulness when designing and wearing the garment. Why that pattern? Why that combination of colors? Why that scale? How does it look against a solid? How does it look against another pattern? It's really just that there's a little MORE to it.

>why does streetwear feature a lot of "ironic" stuff
Though I don't agree with everything that Slavoj Zizek says, he has given several talks about how consumption has become tied into questions of intellect, purpose, culture, intention, etc. I think that modern consumers are very aware of their consumption and that streetwear—in which there is little variation in design, but lots of variation in graphics—is a great example of this. There's only so much work you can do to the pattern blocks and fit of a sweatshirt itself, so companies have to distinguish themselves via the "ethos" and "message" of their brand, whether through actual marketing or just through the prints they put on their clothes. Younger consumers are generally not attracted to very earnest messages, so things like irony, humor, satire, and outright vulgarity are probably more useful for these sorts of brands.

>what is good baggy vs bad baggy in terms of fit
That's mostly a question of intention and execution. Is the pant baggy because you couldn't find another pant? Or is it baggy because you wanted a pant with a specific line to it and a specific proportion to be worn against specific types of tees and to create a specific silhouette. It seems obvious that if you were buying a pant, you're buying that pant for a reason, but lots of people just buy what is at hand and don't or can't look harder. The obvious example would be a designer like Yohji Yamamoto; his pants are full, with pleats and wide cuts and are slung loosely around the waist, but there's a deliberate effect that creates when you wear it with one of his jackets and his shirts.
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Gesamtkunstwerk
Profile Joined December 2011
134 Posts
January 26 2012 15:43 GMT
#2
I find this thread a bit cute and funny. Is this were we guys share wardrobe and style tips?
Death is the means to travel to the stars!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44311 Posts
January 26 2012 15:48 GMT
#3
I predict the future...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=221892

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This thread closing because of people making fun of each other's opinion on what's fashionable and what's not... because cultures are different and some people have clashing societal perspectives on fashion. And some people think it's stupid.


I'm totally open to hearing different people's ideas, as long as we can all remain open-minded ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WTFZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
United States704 Posts
January 26 2012 15:48 GMT
#4
Really the extent of my "fashion" sense is nice leather dress boots with jeans and a button up shirt. Throw in a blazer if it's not molten hot outside (I live in Florida) and you can show up looking good for just about anything.
Might makes right.
amagumo
Profile Joined April 2011
10 Posts
January 26 2012 15:49 GMT
#5
The second peacoat, the Kenneth Cole from macy's, look pretty good. It looks like it runs a tad short and I perfer slightly shorter peacoats but that just depends on your taste, body shape, etc. While some of j crew's items are nice, spending over $200 for a peacoat is way too much. I bought my last peacoat for less than $90 at uniqlo three years ago and it is still in excellent shape.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
January 26 2012 15:50 GMT
#6
I actually just bought the Kenneth Coal Reaction in charcoal because I needed a more professional winter coat for work. I like it so far, but it's really my first winter coat that isn't a ski jacket or leather jacket (just graduated in may), so take that for what it's worth.
foom
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 15:56:54
January 26 2012 15:52 GMT
#7
Anyone have tips on color schemes? I'm getting kind of tired of blue, black, white and different shades of. Accenting an outfit with a different color seems to be fairly easy, but actually coming up with an outfit that utilizes colors besides these has been a problem for me.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 26 2012 15:54 GMT
#8
On January 27 2012 00:52 foom wrote:
Anyone have tips on color schemes? I'm getting kind of tired of blue, black, white and different shades of. Accenting an outfit with a different color seems to be fairly easy, but actually coming up with an outfit that utilizes these colors has been a problem for me.

I personally think those dark colors are actually rather fitting.
Smatin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States34 Posts
January 26 2012 15:55 GMT
#9
I would check out banana republic. I got mine there and I love it :D
IXJesteR
Profile Joined January 2012
United States7 Posts
January 26 2012 15:59 GMT
#10
A bit of a glimpse of some of the amazing clothes I've ordered from Express recently. Trying to get a whole new wardrobe

http://www.express.com/slim-fit-straight-leg-rocco-jean-black-resin-28316-0/index.pro

http://www.express.com/1mx-extra-slim-fit-stretch-cotton-shirt-36550-0/index.pro

http://www.express.com/skinny-silk-tie-1759-0/index.pro
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 26 2012 16:00 GMT
#11
Speaking of fitting clothes, try a dark colored girls shirt sometime. It may seem really gay, but most people will not notice it.
Melchior
Profile Joined January 2011
United States112 Posts
January 26 2012 16:57 GMT
#12
On January 27 2012 00:52 foom wrote:
Anyone have tips on color schemes? I'm getting kind of tired of blue, black, white and different shades of. Accenting an outfit with a different color seems to be fairly easy, but actually coming up with an outfit that utilizes colors besides these has been a problem for me.


Definitely start with neutral colors like the ones you mentioned -- they're more versatile until you expand your wardrobe to a large enough size. Once you start experimenting with different colors, a general rule of thumb I've been told is you can wear one piece of ridiculous clothing in an outfit (whether it's something like a brightly-colored tie or pair of socks or the jacket that's so ugly it's good-looking). I can't really give advice on specific color schemes, though -- just look for stuff that catches your eye, try it out, get a friend with a good eye to critique for you. I'm still trying to build up my own wardrobe, so I've stuck to mostly greyscale, brown and blue with a hint of purple/lavender as my "accent" color.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
January 26 2012 17:00 GMT
#13
If anyone can identify that cool sweater flash is wearing in the tossgirl interview.. that'd be sweet.. hah.. although, I think I prefer 1/4 zip sweaters, that one is still pretty sweet.

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Poffel
Profile Joined March 2011
471 Posts
January 26 2012 17:00 GMT
#14
On January 27 2012 00:52 foom wrote:
Anyone have tips on color schemes? I'm getting kind of tired of blue, black, white and different shades of. Accenting an outfit with a different color seems to be fairly easy, but actually coming up with an outfit that utilizes colors besides these has been a problem for me.

Try this site for color schemes: kuler
AirportSecurity
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada34 Posts
January 26 2012 17:05 GMT
#15
On January 27 2012 01:00 Shiragaku wrote:
Speaking of fitting clothes, try a dark colored girls shirt sometime. It may seem really gay, but most people will not notice it.


definately not
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
January 26 2012 17:08 GMT
#16
this thread must be approved by TLO !
divinesage
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 08:33:37
January 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#17
Different fashions work differently for different races and people with different builds. Seems quite hard unless you tell us your build and race I guess.
Elanshin
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia216 Posts
January 26 2012 17:48 GMT
#18
Recently picked up a nice red coat (not trenchcoat). Its a bit on the darker side but as a change from your usual black, navi and greys its quite nice. Pair it with a nice light colored scarf to stand out a bit more.
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
January 26 2012 17:54 GMT
#19
what is this ? Take what you like and what you feel most comfortable in. If we all choose to follow a specific pattern of thinking ( fashion is included in culture-way of thinking ) we don't evolve. If you want to be perceived in a good manner by shallow people with no principles that's .... pfff.

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Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
January 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#20
On January 27 2012 02:54 bOneSeven wrote:
what is this ? Take what you like and what you feel most comfortable in. If we all choose to follow a specific pattern of thinking ( fashion is included in culture-way of thinking ) we don't evolve. If you want to be perceived in a good manner by shallow people with no principles that's .... pfff.


If you don't care about fashion them just don't post. There are plenty of people who do as can be seen by all the replies to JWDs blog. Let us enjoy talking about fashion and appearance and go do whatever you like.
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