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On August 24 2012 01:49 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:36 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:32 DoubleReed wrote:On August 24 2012 01:29 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:17 KwarK wrote:On August 24 2012 01:14 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:10 KwarK wrote:On August 24 2012 01:07 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 00:52 KwarK wrote:On August 24 2012 00:49 Djzapz wrote:
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Isn't "rape culture" a bullshit tagline that sex-negative feminists use to blur the line between consensual sex and rape to get you to post ridiculous shit like "you're using the rape culture to get consensual-ish sex"? No, it's not. It's a real and oppressive thing and acknowledging it would go a long way to make sex more consensual and enjoyable for everyone. Nothing about it is sex negative, sex where the women isn't consenting purely to try and find the safest and least confrontational way out of the situation is actually better than when she is. I think you're wrong. "Rape culture" is a disgusting and ridiculous name given to a social problem which is made out to be cultural, when reality it is confined to some people and organizations, and not widespread. If I look over the wiki entry, it talks about a culture in which rape is normalized, which is not the case in the Western world, and to say that it is is just alarmist BS. A lot of rapes occur, that doesn't make it part of the culture. A lot of people make excuses and even condone it, but it's still not part of the culture. "Rape culture" is a popular term used because it's striking and surprising and seems powerful. It's essentially a term used to make an argument, and to convince people that the problem is real. And while it is real that some, or even a LOT of people are part of this "Rape apologists" bunch, it's not an excuse for making cute little titles for it. Take a look at this link, it's what I would have linked earlier if I'd found it at the time. It's a good list of what the issues regarding rape culture are. http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.htmlIt is my belief that rape culture exists in the western world. Rape culture only exists in the western world if you're willing to scrap the word culture and use your own definition for it. "A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm." How does that not seem like BS to everyone here? Physical and emotional "terrorism"? That's insulting. You should be insulted. Any man I know would be disgusted to hear that this is what some women think of us. It's not my norm, and it's not the norm of ANYONE I respect. So you've never heard the phrase "boys will be boys" spoken by apologists regarding why a woman should accept abuse as the norm? So now a tagline that I've actually never heard is a guideline to life? Do I need to take the "rape culture" points one by one? I'll do a few, and for every point, ask yourself if this applies to our SOCIETY or if it only applies to a few people. -Rape culture is encouraging male sexual aggression. > Not social, confined to bad individuals -Rape culture is regarding violence as sexy and sexuality as violent > Nope -Rape culture is treating rape as a compliment, as the unbridled passion stirred in a healthy man by a beautiful woman > Absurd -Rape culture is treating straight sexuality as the norm. > Problem indeed - why does it have anything to do with rape? -Rape culture is lumping queer sexuality into nonconsensual sexual practices like pedophilia and bestiality > Nothing to do with rape -Rape culture is privileging heterosexuality > Nothing to do with rape -Rape culture is rape being used as a weapon, a tool of war and genocide and oppression. > Absurd -Rape culture is 1 in 33 men being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. > Not cultural -Rape culture is encouraging men to use the language of rape to establish dominance over one another > Not convincing -Rape culture is making rape a ubiquitous part of male-exclusive bonding. > That would suck for me if it were true! -Rape culture is ignoring the cavernous need for men's prison reform > Fair enough -Rape culture is 1 in 6 women being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. > Again, real problem but not cultural -Rape culture is victim-blaming. > Confined to individuals -Rape culture is a judge blaming a child for her own rape. > A judge -Rape culture is a minister blaming his child victims. > A minister ... etc. Maybe I'm digging in the semantics and I shouldn't, but this absurd label is covering the real problem that is rape, by disguising it as a standard - which it isn't. For the love of god, click on my damn link: http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/radicalizing-consent-towards-implementing-an-affirmative-consent-model-in-new-yorks-rape-law/This describes in detail how rape culture is affecting our law system in several ways and how we can try to change it. Stop acting as if this isn't an issue. It's a serious thing, and it does exist in American society. I read guy's link and it turned out the be an incoherent ramble, is yours better? Because by the time I'll be done reading your blog that's below a banner that says "A world without rape", I'll have 5 pages to catch up on. Having read a few paragraphs, I'm not convinced. To make things a little easier, I'll try to point some relevant points: Show nested quote +Requiring a survivor to prove the clarity with which he or she expressed that he or she was not consenting to sexual contact is an echo of the resistance requirement of New York’s obsolete, victim-blaming common law. Further, policy should dictate that “consent” under any definition of the word is almost never validly expressed by silence. Show nested quote +At common law, rape was a crime of general intent, requiring “carnal knowledge of a woman forcibly and against her will,” that the incident be reported promptly, that the story be corroborated, and that the survivor prove “utmost resistance,”[25] which requirement caused many judgments to hinge on the judge’s opinion of the sufficiency of the survivor’s resistance. Show nested quote +This consent policy is comprehensive and certainly admirable as a goal to set for individual interactions. It was criticized as being impossible to fulfill, “hysterical,” and operating under “the stereotypical conviction that women are weak and men are beasts.”[24] The lesson to be taken from this is that many people are very resistant to the idea of communicating about sex, and especially to being told to communicate about sex. Show nested quote + The most famous case of this was the high-profile arrest of Kobe Bryant in 2003. These charges were dropped after Bryant issued a public apology stating in relevant part, “Although I truly believe the encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not.”[20] These cases are understood by most to be inevitable, if unfortunate, miscommunication, or the understandable consequence of hook-up culture and binge drinking – rather than what they are: crimes.
1- "policy should dictate that “consent” under any definition of the word is almost never validly expressed by silence."
A1: Sex can be consensual without orally expressing consent
A2: Unless it's done in public, there are presumably no witnesses to this oral contract or lack thereof anyway.
2- "requirement caused many judgments to hinge on the judge’s opinion of the sufficiency of the survivor’s resistance."
A: Laws are written by fallible people and don't represent an entire culture's feelings. Additionally, some laws are in place because people are actually innocent until proven guilty (I don't know if you've heard of it). That's probably in place, for better or worse, because some women have been known to accuse men of rape after having had consensual sex, in order to cash in. To even mention that can be considered sexist or perhaps part of the "rape culture", but it DOES happen.
3- "many people are very resistant to the idea of communicating about sex"
A: People are shy, whoop dee doo!
4- "These cases are understood by most to be inevitable, if unfortunate, miscommunication, or the understandable consequence of hook-up culture and binge drinking – rather than what they are: crimes."
A: That's an opinion. I disagree, and everyone I know disagrees.
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In the military, the rule was always "sexual penetration, however slight, against or without consent." Also if she has been drinking, she is considered unable to give consent. This is why so many military guys get discharged because of sexual misconduct: if she has it out for you, she can end your career just by saying she was drunk and you took advantage of her, even if she only had one drink. They don't ask questions, they don't examine her, they send you to the CO and you're done. Thank God we have courts instead of a tribunal in the civilian world.
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Sex without concent of the female with application of force (physically) to follow through upon the action.
Just came up with that definition, by all means it's not perfect but that's what i invision rape. because men are really only physically superior to women, everything else is fair play. If a guy is good with words and got his way, then gg wp sir
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On August 24 2012 02:03 iiGreetings wrote:
Sex without concent of the female with application of force (physically) to follow through upon the action.
Just came up with that definition, by all means it's not perfect but that's what i invision rape. because men are really only physically superior to women, everything else is fair play. If a guy is good with words and got his way, then gg wp sir
Your definition doesn't take account of
-Rape by coercion: "I'll do X if you don't."
-Rape of men
-No definition of sex
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On August 24 2012 01:58 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:49 DoubleReed wrote:On August 24 2012 01:36 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:32 DoubleReed wrote:On August 24 2012 01:29 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:17 KwarK wrote:On August 24 2012 01:14 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 01:10 KwarK wrote:On August 24 2012 01:07 Djzapz wrote:On August 24 2012 00:52 KwarK wrote:
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No, it's not.
It's a real and oppressive thing and acknowledging it would go a long way to make sex more consensual and enjoyable for everyone. Nothing about it is sex negative, sex where the women isn't consenting purely to try and find the safest and least confrontational way out of the situation is actually better than when she is. I think you're wrong. "Rape culture" is a disgusting and ridiculous name given to a social problem which is made out to be cultural, when reality it is confined to some people and organizations, and not widespread. If I look over the wiki entry, it talks about a culture in which rape is normalized, which is not the case in the Western world, and to say that it is is just alarmist BS. A lot of rapes occur, that doesn't make it part of the culture. A lot of people make excuses and even condone it, but it's still not part of the culture. "Rape culture" is a popular term used because it's striking and surprising and seems powerful. It's essentially a term used to make an argument, and to convince people that the problem is real. And while it is real that some, or even a LOT of people are part of this "Rape apologists" bunch, it's not an excuse for making cute little titles for it. Take a look at this link, it's what I would have linked earlier if I'd found it at the time. It's a good list of what the issues regarding rape culture are. http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.htmlIt is my belief that rape culture exists in the western world. Rape culture only exists in the western world if you're willing to scrap the word culture and use your own definition for it. "A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm." How does that not seem like BS to everyone here? Physical and emotional "terrorism"? That's insulting. You should be insulted. Any man I know would be disgusted to hear that this is what some women think of us. It's not my norm, and it's not the norm of ANYONE I respect. So you've never heard the phrase "boys will be boys" spoken by apologists regarding why a woman should accept abuse as the norm? So now a tagline that I've actually never heard is a guideline to life? Do I need to take the "rape culture" points one by one? I'll do a few, and for every point, ask yourself if this applies to our SOCIETY or if it only applies to a few people. -Rape culture is encouraging male sexual aggression. > Not social, confined to bad individuals -Rape culture is regarding violence as sexy and sexuality as violent > Nope -Rape culture is treating rape as a compliment, as the unbridled passion stirred in a healthy man by a beautiful woman > Absurd -Rape culture is treating straight sexuality as the norm. > Problem indeed - why does it have anything to do with rape? -Rape culture is lumping queer sexuality into nonconsensual sexual practices like pedophilia and bestiality > Nothing to do with rape -Rape culture is privileging heterosexuality > Nothing to do with rape -Rape culture is rape being used as a weapon, a tool of war and genocide and oppression. > Absurd -Rape culture is 1 in 33 men being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. > Not cultural -Rape culture is encouraging men to use the language of rape to establish dominance over one another > Not convincing -Rape culture is making rape a ubiquitous part of male-exclusive bonding. > That would suck for me if it were true! -Rape culture is ignoring the cavernous need for men's prison reform > Fair enough -Rape culture is 1 in 6 women being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. > Again, real problem but not cultural -Rape culture is victim-blaming. > Confined to individuals -Rape culture is a judge blaming a child for her own rape. > A judge -Rape culture is a minister blaming his child victims. > A minister ... etc. Maybe I'm digging in the semantics and I shouldn't, but this absurd label is covering the real problem that is rape, by disguising it as a standard - which it isn't. For the love of god, click on my damn link: http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/radicalizing-consent-towards-implementing-an-affirmative-consent-model-in-new-yorks-rape-law/This describes in detail how rape culture is affecting our law system in several ways and how we can try to change it. Stop acting as if this isn't an issue. It's a serious thing, and it does exist in American society. I read guy's link and it turned out the be an incoherent ramble, is yours better? Because by the time I'll be done reading your blog that's below a banner that says "A world without rape", I'll have 5 pages to catch up on. Having read a few paragraphs, I'm not convinced. To make things a little easier, I'll try to point some relevant points: Requiring a survivor to prove the clarity with which he or she expressed that he or she was not consenting to sexual contact is an echo of the resistance requirement of New York’s obsolete, victim-blaming common law. Further, policy should dictate that “consent” under any definition of the word is almost never validly expressed by silence. At common law, rape was a crime of general intent, requiring “carnal knowledge of a woman forcibly and against her will,” that the incident be reported promptly, that the story be corroborated, and that the survivor prove “utmost resistance,”[25] which requirement caused many judgments to hinge on the judge’s opinion of the sufficiency of the survivor’s resistance. This consent policy is comprehensive and certainly admirable as a goal to set for individual interactions. It was criticized as being impossible to fulfill, “hysterical,” and operating under “the stereotypical conviction that women are weak and men are beasts.”[24] The lesson to be taken from this is that many people are very resistant to the idea of communicating about sex, and especially to being told to communicate about sex. The most famous case of this was the high-profile arrest of Kobe Bryant in 2003. These charges were dropped after Bryant issued a public apology stating in relevant part, “Although I truly believe the encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not.”[20] These cases are understood by most to be inevitable, if unfortunate, miscommunication, or the understandable consequence of hook-up culture and binge drinking – rather than what they are: crimes. 1- "policy should dictate that “consent” under any definition of the word is almost never validly expressed by silence." A1: Sex can be consensual without orally expressing consent A2: Unless it's done in public, there are presumably no witnesses to this oral contract or lack thereof anyway.
A1: Yes, but is saying so that Goddamn difficult?
A2: Silent consent outside of the public is no more witnessable than oral consent.
On August 24 2012 01:58 Djzapz wrote:
2- "requirement caused many judgments to hinge on the judge’s opinion of the sufficiency of the survivor’s resistance."
A: Laws are written by fallible people and don't represent an entire culture's feelings. Additionally, some laws are in place because people are actually innocent until proven guilty (I don't know if you've heard of it). That's probably in place, for better or worse, because some women have been known to accuse men of rape after having had consensual sex, in order to cash in. To even mention that can be considered sexist or perhaps part of the "rape culture", but it DOES happen.
Yes, laws alone do not represent an entire culture's feelings. But they are a data-point.
On August 24 2012 01:58 Djzapz wrote:
3- "many people are very resistant to the idea of communicating about sex"
A: People are shy, whoop dee doo!
Yes, that's a problem. People need to communicate about sex properly, lest miscommunication occur.
On August 24 2012 01:58 Djzapz wrote:
4- "These cases are understood by most to be inevitable, if unfortunate, miscommunication, or the understandable consequence of hook-up culture and binge drinking – rather than what they are: crimes."
A: That's an opinion. I disagree, and everyone I know disagrees.
What you and your circle of friends personally agree or disagree with means nothing about the question of rape culture. What matters is what society as a whole says.
And society is pretty beligerant towards rape victims. Unless you're saying that it isn't.
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I've really never understood the notion of a rape culture. I don't think rape is okay, nobody I know thinks rape is okay. While walking down a dark alley at 2 in the morning does in fact raise your chances of getting raped, and it is stupid of someone to do that, does not mean that the rapist is absolved of all guilt, or any, its still wrong.
In fact, this is my fear about living in the United States. Someone could accuse me of raping her, and my life would be over, regardless of whether or not I was found guilty or did it. I would always be that guy that was accused of rape, and most respectable employers wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole. I think that the defendants should remain anonymous until conviction.
I also think the laws need to be more clear. As they are written now I have been raped multiple times by many different women, why? Because I was drunk when I had sex with them, and technically I was unable to give consent. I understand that someone who is passed out or incredibly drunk to the point of memory loss has no ability to give consent, but I'm talking about your standard slew of drunk girls at your average college frat party.
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On August 24 2012 02:06 NicolBolas wrote:
A1: Yes, but is saying so that Goddamn difficult?
A2: Silent consent outside of the public is no more witnessable than oral consent.
Saying so is on her end. If a girl is coming at me, she doesn't need to say "yes I am deposing an oral contract of this legitimate sexual relationship". If that's required, then I'm a rapist, and I like to think that I'm not.
Yes, laws alone do not represent an entire culture's feelings. But they are a data-point.
Individual laws are a data point of law, not a data point of culture.
Yes, that's a problem. People need to communicate about sex properly, lest miscommunication occur.
Ok. That's not rape culture still.
What you and your circle of friends personally agree or disagree with means nothing about the question of rape culture. What matters is what society as a whole says.
And society is pretty beligerant towards rape victims. Unless you're saying that it isn't.
I say my friends but what I mean is the respectable majority of my society which, in fact, is not belligerent towards rape victims, for the most part, despite our many failings.
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On August 24 2012 02:09 Blurry wrote:
I've really never understood the notion of a rape culture. I don't think rape is okay, nobody I know thinks rape is okay. While walking down a dark alley at 2 in the morning does in fact raise your chances of getting raped, and it is stupid of someone to do that, does not mean that the rapist is absolved of all guilt, or any, its still wrong.
Everyone says that rape is bad. But just look at this thread and how many people try to split hairs over questions of consent. Look at the media and how much shaming there is for rape victims who come forward.
On August 24 2012 02:09 Blurry wrote:
In fact, this is my fear about living in the United States. Someone could accuse me of raping her, and my life would be over, regardless of whether or not I was found guilty or did it. I would always be that guy that was accused of rape, and most respectable employers wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole. I think that the defendants should remain anonymous until conviction.
Really? You have a serious fear that some woman would randomly accuse you of raping her? Do you truly believe that this happens often enough to be a legitimate concern?
Here's a funny idea: ask her! This was a solved problem when human beings invented language.
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On August 24 2012 02:16 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:09 Blurry wrote:
I've really never understood the notion of a rape culture. I don't think rape is okay, nobody I know thinks rape is okay. While walking down a dark alley at 2 in the morning does in fact raise your chances of getting raped, and it is stupid of someone to do that, does not mean that the rapist is absolved of all guilt, or any, its still wrong. Everyone says that rape is bad. But just look at this thread and how many people try to split hairs over questions of consent. Look at the media and how much shaming there is for rape victims who come forward. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:09 Blurry wrote:
In fact, this is my fear about living in the United States. Someone could accuse me of raping her, and my life would be over, regardless of whether or not I was found guilty or did it. I would always be that guy that was accused of rape, and most respectable employers wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole. I think that the defendants should remain anonymous until conviction. Really? You have a serious fear that some woman would randomly accuse you of raping her? Do you truly believe that this happens often enough to be a legitimate concern? Here's a funny idea: ask her! This was a solved problem when human beings invented language.
Happened to my best friend... but you know, thats probably a once in a lifetime thing. Its not like any of the women I have ever dated have been vindictive when I broke it off. Its not like any of them have trashed my room or knocked over my motorcycle or keyed my car. /end sarcasm.
I'm sorry I haven't had such a great experience with american women as you have, but I don't trust them, for the above reasons, and I never will.
Edit: I also think you missed my point.
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Rape is (IMO) one individual committing sexual acts upon another individual in a situation where no consent is given, or the victim is unable to give consent (and has not given it closely prior to the "rape.") I think this works out quite nicely. However, I think that rape culture is absolute bullshit. Does my society glorify rape? No, men get sent to prison for it. That's quite the opposite of glorification. Ask anyone I know, and rape makes you a criminal, not a "man." Even being accused of it (no matter how bullshit the accusation is) can ruin somebody's life and career.
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On August 24 2012 02:09 Blurry wrote:
I've really never understood the notion of a rape culture. I don't think rape is okay, nobody I know thinks rape is okay. While walking down a dark alley at 2 in the morning does in fact raise your chances of getting raped, and it is stupid of someone to do that, does not mean that the rapist is absolved of all guilt, or any, its still wrong.
In fact, this is my fear about living in the United States. Someone could accuse me of raping her, and my life would be over, regardless of whether or not I was found guilty or did it. I would always be that guy that was accused of rape, and most respectable employers wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole. I think that the defendants should remain anonymous until conviction.
I also think the laws need to be more clear. As they are written now I have been raped multiple times by many different women, why? Because I was drunk when I had sex with them, and technically I was unable to give consent. I understand that someone who is passed out or incredibly drunk to the point of memory loss has no ability to give consent, but I'm talking about your standard slew of drunk girls at your average college frat party.
Chances are very high that someone you know thinks that rape is okay but that it's not okay to talk about it, even though everyone knows it's fine, because one of those politically correct liberals will get all upset about it.
That mentality really does exist and it really is pervasive.
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On August 24 2012 02:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:06 NicolBolas wrote:
A1: Yes, but is saying so that Goddamn difficult?
A2: Silent consent outside of the public is no more witnessable than oral consent.
Saying so is on her end. If a girl is coming at me, she doesn't need to say "yes I am deposing an oral contract of this legitimate sexual relationship". If that's required, then I'm a rapist, and I like to think that I'm not.
And therein lies the real problem. You're against the concept not because it doesn't make sense, but because it would make you a rapist.
An idea is not good or bad based on what you would like to think you are or have done. I would hope that people would have enough self-judgment to say that maybe they've made some mistakes in the past and would now change their ways to improve the situation.
On August 24 2012 02:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, laws alone do not represent an entire culture's feelings. But they are a data-point. Individual laws are a data point of law, not a data point of culture.
Laws don't appear by magic. Laws are created by lawmakers, who are part of the culture. Society makes laws.
On August 24 2012 02:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, that's a problem. People need to communicate about sex properly, lest miscommunication occur. Ok. That's not rape culture still.
It isn't exactly helping either.
On August 24 2012 02:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +What you and your circle of friends personally agree or disagree with means nothing about the question of rape culture. What matters is what society as a whole says.
And society is pretty beligerant towards rape victims. Unless you're saying that it isn't. I say my friends but what I mean is the respectable majority of my society which, in fact, is not belligerent towards rape victims, for the most part, despite our many failings.
If that were true, there would be no slut shaming. There would be no "boys will be boys". There would be no questions of whether she "deserved" it. And most important of all, there would be no tolerance of any of these things.
Because that's where the problem comes from. There will always be entitled douchebags who say bullshit. The problem is when the rest of society simply accepts what they say. When society tolerates this viewpoint, it becomes part of society.
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On August 24 2012 02:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:06 NicolBolas wrote:
A1: Yes, but is saying so that Goddamn difficult?
A2: Silent consent outside of the public is no more witnessable than oral consent.
Saying so is on her end. If a girl is coming at me, she doesn't need to say "yes I am deposing an oral contract of this legitimate sexual relationship". If that's required, then I'm a rapist, and I like to think that I'm not. Show nested quote +Yes, laws alone do not represent an entire culture's feelings. But they are a data-point. Individual laws are a data point of law, not a data point of culture. Show nested quote +Yes, that's a problem. People need to communicate about sex properly, lest miscommunication occur. Ok. That's not rape culture still. Show nested quote +What you and your circle of friends personally agree or disagree with means nothing about the question of rape culture. What matters is what society as a whole says.
And society is pretty beligerant towards rape victims. Unless you're saying that it isn't. I say my friends but what I mean is the respectable majority of my society which, in fact, is not belligerent towards rape victims, for the most part, despite our many failings.
Once again, I think people don't quite understand how consent works. Consent is not always oral. For instance, if one person makes a move, the other person needs to consent somehow. By if both participants make a move, then that is called "enthusiastic consent." So you've probably never raped anyone even under affirmative consent ideas, and to pretend that you have is undermining very serious issues.
The fact that there's a considerable population (both men and women) who do not think "no means no" contributes to rape culture. As if it's completely understandable that a man can "make a mistake."
The laws sometimes force people to make judgement calls based on their idiotic notions of rape.
You and your friends are not a respectable majority of your society. Statistics have shown over and over again that rape culture is prevalent in society regardless of how far in the sand you've shoved your head.
By no means are we saying that America/Canada is as bad as say... Japan or India. It's not. But this is a problem in our society, and ignoring problems in society is not an effective solution.
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I think the whole consent thing comes down to common sense. I don't ask permission every time I want to do something sexual, I go based off of the girl's reactions. Does she seem uncomfortable? STOP. Is she struggling? STOP.
Really isn't that hard.
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On August 24 2012 02:03 iiGreetings wrote:
Sex without concent of the female with application of force (physically) to follow through upon the action.
Just came up with that definition, by all means it's not perfect but that's what i invision rape. because men are really only physically superior to women, everything else is fair play. If a guy is good with words and got his way, then gg wp sir
Tell me you're not serious.
So, a woman's boss says to her, "have sex with me or you're fired." If she's fired, she's out on the street. To him you say, "gg wp sir"?
Fucking disgusting.
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On August 24 2012 02:33 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 iiGreetings wrote:
Sex without concent of the female with application of force (physically) to follow through upon the action.
Just came up with that definition, by all means it's not perfect but that's what i invision rape. because men are really only physically superior to women, everything else is fair play. If a guy is good with words and got his way, then gg wp sir Tell me you're not serious. So, a woman's boss says to her, "have sex with me or you're fired." If she's fired, she's out on the street. To him you say, "gg wp sir"? Fucking disgusting.
I don't think he meant that at all. Calm down.
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On August 24 2012 02:22 NicolBolas wrote:
And therein lies the real problem. You're against the concept not because it doesn't make sense, but because it would make you a rapist.
I'm saying it would make me a rapist as an example of why it wouldn't make sense, it's not the sole reason why I'm opposed to having this oral contract which makes sex legal, mister "I want to regulate and legislate how consensual sex has to begin".
Edit: And yes DoubleReed, you specifically are saying that it doesn't need to be oral, but this guy seems to disagree.
An idea is not good or bad based on what you would like to think you are or have done. I would hope that people would have enough self-judgment to say that maybe they've made some mistakes in the past and would now change their ways to improve the situation.
Listen to what you're saying. If your girlfriend is coming toward you naked and starts doing her thing, you have to stop her because it's illegal to have sex with her until she SAYS she wants it?
A couple of weeks ago, this girl blew my friend at a party. She didn't say anything, she just put him up to a wall, unzipped his pants and sucked him off while they were both drunk. So who raped who? They were both consenting but they didn't say it.
Think about it. Would you be willing to call me a rapist for having had sex with a girl who didn't express her consent orally? Or do you not practice what you preach?
Laws don't appear by magic. Laws are created by lawmakers, who are part of the culture. Society makes laws.
You're just reaching.
If that were true, there would be no slut shaming. There would be no "boys will be boys". There would be no questions of whether she "deserved" it. And most important of all, there would be no tolerance of any of these things.
Because that's where the problem comes from. There will always be entitled douchebags who say bullshit. The problem is when the rest of society simply accepts what they say. When society tolerates this viewpoint, it becomes part of society.
Those things will always happen because of bad apples. It's not a cultural problem, it's a social problem that comes from specific individuals. Like you said, there will always be entitled douchebags. And contrary to your beliefs, society doesn't tolerate rape - it prosecutes it to the best of its ability, while also trying not to punish innocents.
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On August 24 2012 02:33 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 iiGreetings wrote:
Sex without concent of the female with application of force (physically) to follow through upon the action.
Just came up with that definition, by all means it's not perfect but that's what i invision rape. because men are really only physically superior to women, everything else is fair play. If a guy is good with words and got his way, then gg wp sir Tell me you're not serious. So, a woman's boss says to her, "have sex with me or you're fired." If she's fired, she's out on the street. To him you say, "gg wp sir"? Fucking disgusting.
Thats technically sexual harassment, not rape.
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On August 24 2012 02:30 Blurry wrote:
I think the whole consent thing comes down to common sense. I don't ask permission every time I want to do something sexual, I go based off of the girl's reactions. Does she seem uncomfortable? STOP. Is she struggling? STOP.
Really isn't that hard.
Like... I don't know what this has to do with anything. What happens if you 'misread' her? In general we use a trust model, which requires some sort of consent.
It sounds like in general you have 'enthusiastic consent' which means there is no problem.
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Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
There are a bunch of people within this community overusing this word, I'm sure they'll come in here and explain what is rape. Kennigit for example. 
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