EPTI'm surprised feminists aren't more vocally anti-Islam to be honest , the way women are treated under sharia law is shameful.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
I'm surprised feminists aren't more vocally anti-Islam to be honest , the way women are treated under sharia law is shameful. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: The stats tell the story.28% of UK Muslims want the UK to introduce sharia law. I'm surprised feminists aren't more vocally anti-Islam to be honest , the way women are treated under sharia law is shameful. You're right, the stats do tell the story. 72% of UK Muslims don't want to introduce sharia law. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On August 11 2012 17:55 DR.Ham wrote: You're right, the stats do tell the story. 72% of UK Muslims don't want to introduce sharia law. Hey, how dare you use the same statistic to prove your point the other way! 40% of people aged 18-25 want weed legalised in the UK. The other 60% are too high to care. We can and should be allowed to all live our lives however we choose, assuming we stay within the laws set down by democratically elected governments. Multiculturalism is here to stay, more often than not people from minorities actually do integrate well and since most countries now require you to learn the native tongue to obtain citizenship, minorities have more incentives to integrate while also being able to keep their culture alive. | ||
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
You expect to see a harmonious cooexistence of cultures but what you get are completely segregated neighborhoods according to race and ethnicity. The Pakistanis are doing their own thing in east London, the Somalis their own, the Indians their own, the Africans their own, the Arabs their own, the Chinese their own etc etc all with little will to integrate to British culture, nevermind tolerating other cultures. Some can barely speak a word of English. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
On August 11 2012 17:55 DR.Ham wrote: You're right, the stats do tell the story. 72% of UK Muslims don't want to introduce sharia law. My point being 28% of ~3 million muslims is a hell of a lot of people not integrating into society.... Of course under sharia law homosexuality is punishable by death so that just shows you what that 28% of people think about that segment of society.Puts the whole 'Chick-Fil-A' thing in perspective. | ||
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:41 AlphaWhale wrote: Go to school. Have a geography test. Haven't studied. Answer each question like it's a cheesy sex novel knowing it will be read to the entire class either by me or the teacher (which it was). Schools like to make you feel like shit when you're unable to do the work (dropped down the lowest maths level because I kept forgetting my calculator at home) so I flipped that shit on it's head. tl;dr I did something goofy and now everyone has a happy memory of that time in high school. Other seconds of courage usually involve climbing shit. wrong thread mate  | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
This, obviously, is not the case and therefore multiculturalism should not be strived for. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
The best argument in favor of it that I have heard is that encourages people to have different perspectives. While true, this isn't always a good thing, and perceptive people are always going to see through different perspectives regardless of encouragement. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: My point being 28% of ~3 million muslims is a hell of a lot of people not integrating into society.... Of course under sharia law homosexuality is punishable by death so that just shows you what that 28% of people think about that segment of society.Puts the whole 'Chick-Fil-A' thing in perspective. His point being, 72% of ~3 million muslims is a hell of a lot of people integrating into society.... Who's to say that the other minority can't be integrated later on, or perhaps their children? | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:42 zalz wrote: Multiculturalism doesn't work. You need some form of cohession, some larger culture that everyone somehow feels a part of. If not that, it is simply cultural segregation, something which is already a fact in many places in Europe. Not all cultures are equal. OH NO YOU DI'INT! About Europe: When you take into your country people from third-world countries like Afghanistan, countries in which it is legal to stone a woman for adultry, when a woman is raped it's always her fault, when people are told since they are young that Islam is the "master religon", and that the "Dihmmies" are there for you to rape, kill and enslave. When you actively give these people money, when you never tell them to adapt, when you bash anyone who says anything against them as "racist" and "islamophobe" and when you don't give them fair judgement, you get a very large population of people who not only didn't integrate, but are actively harming society itself. Note to people who will respond to this: -I didn't say that everyone who comes from Afghanistan, Somalia and so on are like that, but that a lot of people are. -I didn't say that "Islam is bad herp derp", I said that the way Islam is taught in countries like these is racist and sexist. -I didn't say that these people shouldn't be given money at all, I said that you shouldn't, in any way, promote such a hateful ideology by giving it free money. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:17 RageBot wrote: OH NO YOU DI'INT! About Europe: When you take into your country people from third-world countries like Afghanistan, countries in which it is legal to stone a woman for adultry, when a woman is raped it's always her fault, when people are told since they are young that Islam is the "master religon", and that the "Dihmmies" are there for you to rape, kill and enslave. When you actively give these people money, when you never tell them to adapt, when you bash anyone who says anything against them as "racist" and "islamophobe" and when you don't give them fair judgement, you get a very large population of people who not only didn't integrate, but are actively harming society itself. Note to people who will respond to this: -I didn't say that everyone who comes from Afghanistan, Somalia and so on are like that, but that a lot of people are. -I didn't say that "Islam is bad herp derp", I said that the way Islam is taught in countries like these is racist and sexist. -I didn't say that these people shouldn't be given money at all, I said that you shouldn't, in any way, promote such a hateful ideology by giving it free money. The people who actively flees these countries and has the money to go to Europe are often people who disagree about how their country is run and what religion they're taught though. Often upper class from what I can tell. | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:38 Euronyme wrote: The people who actively flees these countries and has the money to go to Europe are often people who disagree about how their country is run and what religion they're taught though. Often upper class from what I can tell. It is actually a big problem that it doesn't cost them a lot of money to get here, thus making Europe a far more tempting destination for economical refugees that come for money rather than disagreement with their government. Well-off, connected people with a political grudge will buy a planeticket to America. | ||
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Sepi
Finland231 Posts
Luckily there is a counterweight to this immigration, because there are a lot good people. Who acts just like us, does work and tries to proceed in their career. I higlhy respect these people as they can ADAPT to other enviroment and work their hart out to have what they deserve. Even all the sexual crimes are mostly committed by immigrates. The studies that i have read, also indicate that its HIGHLY possible that they will continue to commit crimes. In my law system there is no way to kick any people out. They just get 1-2 years of probation and something like 1000 euros of indemnity or something like that. Im no racist at all, but it just makes me sick how they can be so abusive, and yet so arrogant. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 11 2012 20:08 Bahamut1337 wrote: Having seen my beautiful city of Antwerp turn from a city of the working class to a Arab Ghetto its safe to say I dislike the new multicultural state, even more so since they have virtually no economical benefit. Most are criminal, have low jobincome or are on wellfare. Sounds rather segregated to me. Segregation =/= multiculturalism. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On August 11 2012 18:37 Blacktion wrote: Theres nothing wrong with multiculturism. The trouble we have in the UK is that we have multiculturism for multiculturisms sake. Its too easy for people who speak out against multiculturism or immigration to be pegged a racist, not matter how logical or reasonable their arguements are. I hear this parroted a lot, and I don't think there's much in it tbh. For one thing, what does ' multiculturism for multiculturisms sake' actually mean? And the people who are being pegged as racists are the ones holding 'No More Mosque' signs, or claiming that our (spurious notion of) national identity is being eroded, based exclusively on the rubbish and lies read in the Express, Mail et al. The fact that the topic is brought up all the damned time is evidence enough that no one is being shouted down. The conversation is there to be had but if anti-immigration arguments are to be taken seriously they have to be well researched and not sound uncomfortably similiar to 'rights for whites', which frankly a lot of it does. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On August 11 2012 19:38 Euronyme wrote: The people who actively flees these countries and has the money to go to Europe are often people who disagree about how their country is run and what religion they're taught though. Often upper class from what I can tell. Explain to me why Somali's in Denmark and the Netherlands continue to support a highly orthodox form of Islam, where woman are 2nd rate despite the fact their nations are failed states due that very same Islam. Open your eyes and smell the coffee, Europe is going to have a civil war within 30 years unless Immigrants and their kids start being part of society and start taking responsiblity. People in the city of Antwerp are already talking about amateur militia's to clean up the streets if stuff gets worse. A woman can barely walk around unless she wears a veil | ||
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