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On July 27 2012 21:03 AlgeriaT wrote:Wow. I hadn't heard about Chick-Fil-A before I found this thread, but it turns out this is quite a treasure trove of dirty little secrets. Did some googling, turns out the company has been giving out CDs containing shows from a Christian "values" radio show called "Adventures in Odyssey", with their children's meals. Here are some topics covered in the show (there are many more juicy bits on the list): Roleplaying games are evilAbortion is evilCreationism is coolEven though I'd like to, I'd probably hold off on banning something like this from my city as mayor, given the ethical intricacies of the matter and the risk of stepping on religious freedom. I would however require Chick-Fil-A to register openly as a branch of a religious denomination, else would they please get the fuck out of my city. Pushing religion on people, especially kids, is bad enough as it is. Doing it covertly is downright disgusting. There should be a law regarding transparency of religious denominations and their practices, especially their communication with children. Something like the warning sign on cigarettes, for example "THIS COMPANY SUPPORTS FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN VALUES" printed in red on the street signs, doors and fucking children's meals of a restaurant chain like Chick-Fil-A.
No one I know is not aware of the fact Chick-Fil-A has a religious background to its principles. You have to be blind or ignorant to not realize it. Considering you have never heard of them before, I will give you a pass.
Unless they are up front discriminating people in the store or its employees, I don't see this as being an issue. Tired of people making a big deal out of everything to make it look like they stand for crap. This is probably one of the only major fast food/stores in the country that don't force their employees to work every holiday. They even give a day off every week. Complain all you want, this chain is probably one of the more rewarding places to work when it comes to fast food. The stores will still be packed and we won't miss any of you.
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I don't agree with Chick-Fil-A's message, but I think the hyprocisy surrounding it is disgusting. Where was the distain and outrage for corporate support of gay marriage by Google etc? I think the issue of the particular viewpoint in question is irrelevant, I think the main point that should be debated is whether political entities should interfere with the views of a private company, whatever the message may be. It should be left to the consumers to make their decision on whether or not to passively support a company propogating ANY viewpoint, actively or passively.
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First of all... This is not an attack on christians. This is to defend and enhance the rights of homosexuals.
That being said... The government should NOT have the power to ban companies from doing business based on their politics. However, if the company does in fact descriminate - actions should be taken. But you can't judge people on their politics - only their actions.
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On July 27 2012 21:03 AlgeriaT wrote:Wow. I hadn't heard about Chick-Fil-A before I found this thread, but it turns out this is quite a treasure trove of dirty little secrets. Did some googling, turns out the company has been giving out CDs containing shows from a Christian "values" radio show called "Adventures in Odyssey", with their children's meals. Here are some topics covered in the show (there are many more juicy bits on the list): Roleplaying games are evilAbortion is evilCreationism is coolEven though I'd like to, I'd probably hold off on banning something like this from my city as mayor, given the ethical intricacies of the matter and the risk of stepping on religious freedom. I would however require Chick-Fil-A to register openly as a branch of a religious denomination, else would they please get the fuck out of my city. Pushing religion on people, especially kids, is bad enough as it is. Doing it covertly is downright disgusting. There should be a law regarding transparency of religious denominations and their practices, especially their communication with children. Something like the warning sign on cigarettes, for example "THIS COMPANY SUPPORTS FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN VALUES" printed in red on the street signs, doors and fucking children's meals of a restaurant chain like Chick-Fil-A.
So want to ban a company and its VOLUNTARY relationship with consumers (if they don't like the CDs then take their business elsewhere, etc.), by coercing that company by force to admit to something they are not, and if they don't, you will use force to get them out of "your" city.
All this for not agreeing with YOUR principals, which you want to FORCE on others involuntarily.
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Don't force the government to make your decisions for you. If you don't like what Chic-Fil-A stands for, don't eat there. Let them open up 100 stores in Boston, and then watch each of them go out of business. Or go eat chicken nuggets every day except Sunday.
But either way, make your own decision.
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Good for Chick-Fil-A standing up for what they believe in instead of sacrificing their values for profit like most any other company would sadly do these days. Doesn't matter if you agree with their standpoint, it's still respectful to stand up for what you believe in.
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On July 27 2012 21:45 Mentalizor wrote:
First of all... This is not an attack on christians. This is to defend and enhance the rights of homosexuals.
That being said... The government should NOT have the power to ban companies from doing business based on their politics. However, if the company does in fact descriminate - actions should be taken. But you can't judge people on their politics - only their actions.
Isn't donating money to a hate group an action?
Anyway, I disagree, I think the government should be able to stifle hateful thoughts and actions. People in America take the term "free speech" too literally. That's what's in the constitution, but does that make it morally right? I don't think so. If your views interfere with the freedom of others, then you are in the wrong, and you deserve to be punished in every way until your views cease being hateful.
Talk all you want about the "thought police", but I don't care. 98% of people in this thread agree with Menino's stance. It is the morally correct stance. Anyone who fights for the superior collective morality can not be faulted, and many governments operate better than ours does by quashing these oppressive viewpoints.
Edit: Remember, the MOST IMPORTANT right in the Constitution is "the pursuit of love, life, and liberty." I don't give a fuck about any opinion that seeks to deny this fundamental right to any US citizen.
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I don't agree with Chick-Fil-A's message, but I think the hyprocisy surrounding it is disgusting. Where was the distain and outrage for corporate support of gay marriage by Google etc? I think the issue of the particular viewpoint in question is irrelevant
If Chick Fil As message was that interracial marriage was wrong (which used to be a hot button issues long before many of you were born) would you still say it is irrelevant? Do you know how much hell such a thing would catch from all sides? That is because racism and sexism is something that the majority of americans think is unacceptable. Homophobia however is not there yet
Google did not catch hell because they are simply supporting anti bigotry.
There was a time when americans and the rest of the western world (the males) viewed women as subhuman, slightly smarter than animals. They were prop, sometimes traded, had no rights to do anything, their place in society was to feed the men, give birth, it was slavery in many ways. Similar thing happened to blacks who literally were slaves in the purest sense of form, treated like garbage and hung from the highest trees
We look back at that and think "man..what a bunch of fucking dumbasses we as a species were to allow such insanity to happen"
The exact same thing will happen in 30-40 years, kids will study our era in schools and shake their heads at these simpletons who didnt learn from their ancestors past mistakes, maybe even view us in a worse light than those in 1800's and early 1900's, because at least they didnt know better, yet we supposedly do know better and still fail.
Human rights above all else, the fact that gay marriage is even up for debate is staggering. If you truly believe in god then let god punish them his own way, mind your own business. It is mind blowing that the 2 hot button issues in america are gays and abortion. 2 things which have no impact whatsoever on 95% of the country if not even more.
When blacks had to sit at the back at the bus, we think look back and say "who the fuck cares where they sit, why is this a issue!?". When interracial couples werent allowed to get married it is the same thing "who cares, let people marry who they want!".
The exact same thing will be said about his by majority of americans 30-40 years about gay marriage "can you believe these clowns really thought that 2 men marrying each other was a major issue in their society? im so glad i wasent alive back then."
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Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
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I'm all for it.
Chik-Fil-A opposing civil rights is disgusting.
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On July 27 2012 22:55 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
What long lasting negative effects? Of being gay? Really?
Let's talk about the long lasting negative effects of religion...
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Regardless of the debate about marriage and who should be allowed to get married, what the Mayor said he was going to do goes against the ideals the country was founded on.
When I first heard about this I thought he was simply stating his distaste for Chick-Fil-A's stance, and he has every right to do that. But threatening to use his post as Mayor to nanny an entire city, forcing them to share his opinion, seemed legally wrong to me.
Edit: Glad Menino saw he was wrong and decided to back down and glad to see someone with more than an armchair/internet understanding of Law agrees with me:
“It’s clearly unconstitutional for the city to deny permits based on a person’s opinions,” UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh said. “It opens the city up to criticism and even litigation.”
Source: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1061148850&srvc=rss
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On July 27 2012 21:38 Province wrote:
I don't agree with Chick-Fil-A's message, but I think the hyprocisy surrounding it is disgusting. Where was the distain and outrage for corporate support of gay marriage by Google etc? I think the issue of the particular viewpoint in question is irrelevant, I think the main point that should be debated is whether political entities should interfere with the views of a private company, whatever the message may be. It should be left to the consumers to make their decision on whether or not to passively support a company propogating ANY viewpoint, actively or passively.
Because Google has equality and freedom in mind, while Chick-Fil-A has the opposite.
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On July 27 2012 20:43 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 19:09 Arunu wrote:
This returning discussion is hard not to get worked up about.
Marriage predates christianity by a large margin, it is NOT a religious construct. While I'm definitely on your side in this argument, my devil's advocate (and unfortunate childhood in a Christian school) requires me to point out a couple of things: 1. For a religious person, nothing predates religion, since God created the world we live in and everything unfolds according to his will. 2. Even though historically I'm sure you are correct, marriage has always traditionally been between a man and a woman, so it's not like Christianity changed any of that. It's changing now, and that scares fundamentalists. Of course, I'd say that if God invented marriage, that means he also invented gays, and he'd want them to have all the same rights that we have, but hey.
Marriage has traditionally been a contract between a man and a woman's father for the transfer of property (the woman). People were upset when that one got changed too.
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On July 27 2012 22:55 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
Couldn't you just not get married to a man? That's what I do whenever I want to show society that I don't want a gay marriage.
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On July 27 2012 22:55 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
Long lasting negative effects? If you aren't trolling, your bigotry makes me sick. Maybe blacks shouldn't be allowed to marry? That having been said, I'm glad I live in a country where you have the right to express your opinion, however retarded it might be.
I just wish the American education system was a little stronger in the logic, science, and critical thinking departments.
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On July 27 2012 21:45 Mentalizor wrote:
First of all... This is not an attack on christians. This is to defend and enhance the rights of homosexuals.
That being said... The government should NOT have the power to ban companies from doing business based on their politics. However, if the company does in fact descriminate - actions should be taken. But you can't judge people on their politics - only their actions.
Don't be ridiculous.
If a McDonalds started handing out holocaust denial booklets with their happy meals they sure as hell should face repercussions.
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I don't understand why people think this is a hypocritical move. He's simply playing with equal rules to that of Chick-Fil-A.
If he's discriminating against Chick-Fil-A for their actions, then that makes him (at the very least) equal to the restaraunt, who so openly dissapproves of anything not belonging to his ethos.
If Chick-Fil-A is the one being discriminitory, how can they expect better treatment than what they give? So, to be equal, Boston can either hit back with what Chick-Fil-A is handing out, or Chick-Fil-A can respect everyone and be respected by everyone.
I don't believe that a person should expect to recieve what they stagnantly refuse to give. If they started paying for protests against homosexual equality, I say it'd be a reasonable response to protest the restaraunts and whatever they do.
On July 27 2012 22:55 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
Is this guy going to get a warning or something? He's blatantly either trolling, or is just straight up ignorant and has done no research on anything relating to politics and same-sex marriage...
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On July 27 2012 23:05 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 22:55 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for Chik-fil-A!!
It makes me extremely proud to see a company brave enough to speak the truth about controversial issues and the long lasting negative effects they have on our society.
My family and I will be making it a point to choose Chik-fil-A when we are grabbing fast food to show our support.
Long lasting negative effects? If you aren't trolling, your bigotry makes me sick. Maybe blacks shouldn't be allowed to marry? That having been said, I'm glad I live in a country where you have the right to express your opinion, however retarded it might be. I just wish the American education system was a little stronger in the logic, science, and critical thinking departments.
I read it and was pretty disgusted , then realized that literally millions of Americans think like that and everything went back to normal.
You can't just expect all of TL to be constituted of respectable human beings. Inevitably, we'll have folks that hate entire classifications of people for no reason. Hell, we probably do have a bunch of secret WN's and trash like that.
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On July 27 2012 23:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 21:45 Mentalizor wrote:
First of all... This is not an attack on christians. This is to defend and enhance the rights of homosexuals.
That being said... The government should NOT have the power to ban companies from doing business based on their politics. However, if the company does in fact descriminate - actions should be taken. But you can't judge people on their politics - only their actions. Don't be ridiculous. If a McDonalds started handing out holocaust denial booklets with their happy meals they sure as hell should face repercussions.
They would. People would stop going there.
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