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On July 05 2012 22:04 Alpino wrote:
Sometimes I just wish the world would fuckin explode so people could see how badly they fucked up things. Fucking money-power addiction, the most harmful addictions are the most morally acceptable and socially rewarded it seems.
Ah i feel exactly the same.
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I'm sure if whales were at the top of the food chain they would do the same thing to us
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On July 05 2012 22:44 FinalForm wrote:
I'm sure if whales were at the top of the food chain they would do the same thing to us
They would at least not build weapons and atomic bombs to kill their own race ....
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Humpback whales number in the 80.000, Bowhead whales number in the 20.000. Both are 'least concern' when it comes to endangered species according to wikipedia (can i refer to that site here?). Several whale species (like the blue whale) however number in the hundreds and I take it those will be avoided at all cost. If the SK government sets up safety management in regards to which whales they target, they may not be damaged that much in international relations.
Given that we are entering a warmer period globally, that could however influence food supply for the whales negatively. This does mean any damage to whale populations could be longer lasting than intended. Because we don't know what effect whaling will have, I'm slightly concerned for this move by the SK government.
All that said, I don't see reason for panic. Maybe I'll enjoy some whale butt if I ever go to Korea!
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On July 05 2012 22:48 Desertfaux wrote:
Humpback whales number in the 80.000, Bowhead whales number in the 20.000. Both are 'least concern' when it comes to endangered species according to wikipedia (can i refer to that site here?). Several whale species (like the blue whale) however number in the hundreds and I take it those will be avoided at all cost. If the SK government sets up safety management in regards to which whales they target, they may not be damaged that much in international relations.
Given that we are entering a warmer period globally, that could however influence food supply for the whales negatively. This does mean any damage to whale populations could be longer lasting than intended. Because we don't know what effect whaling will have, I'm slightly concerned for this move by the SK government.
All that said, I don't see reason for panic. Maybe I'll enjoy some whale butt if I ever go to Korea!
If you'd read the full OP, you'd see that the WWF stated that the whales that would be hunted are currently considered endangered.
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They're basically big oil balloons swimming around, I'm glad Korea took the initiative in finding alternative energy sources.
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This is totally fine. I don`t understand people that are not vegetarians, but oppose whaling. Perhaps the fact that i reside in a country with a rich whaling tradidion makes my perspective slightly different. I mean " It`s ok to eat animals, just not the cute ones?" And don`t give me the "endangered species" argument. As long as they are harvested responsibly, it`s no different from hunting boars or deer. Whale-steak is delicious, trust me! Save the whales .... FOR DINNER!
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Please stop touching the poor whales! They are the most beautiful and the most mighty specie in the world, humans are just killing them simply because they can... Shame.
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As long as they use the whole animal, keep their whaling sustainable by use of quotas and restrict it to certain species, I have no problem with it.
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Frankly, i'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
They have some really weird views when it comes to animal rights in SK, i've always put it down to remnants from the 'eat whatever you can' mentality from the war.
SK government taking some really strange decisions lately; first by moving the capital to rural Sejong, now by resuming the archaic practice of whaling.
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As long as it's controlled manner, go for it.
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On July 05 2012 22:45 CaF-Lunar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 22:44 FinalForm wrote:
I'm sure if whales were at the top of the food chain they would do the same thing to us
They would at least not build weapons and atomic bombs to kill their own race ....
How do you know that?
On July 05 2012 20:42 Bleak wrote:
Human is a disgusting species.
Maybe you should end your own life since you're so disgusting?
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On July 05 2012 22:51 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 22:48 Desertfaux wrote:
Humpback whales number in the 80.000, Bowhead whales number in the 20.000. Both are 'least concern' when it comes to endangered species according to wikipedia (can i refer to that site here?). Several whale species (like the blue whale) however number in the hundreds and I take it those will be avoided at all cost. If the SK government sets up safety management in regards to which whales they target, they may not be damaged that much in international relations.
Given that we are entering a warmer period globally, that could however influence food supply for the whales negatively. This does mean any damage to whale populations could be longer lasting than intended. Because we don't know what effect whaling will have, I'm slightly concerned for this move by the SK government.
All that said, I don't see reason for panic. Maybe I'll enjoy some whale butt if I ever go to Korea! If you'd read the full OP, you'd see that the WWF stated that the whales that would be hunted are currently considered endangered.
Minke whales fall under 'least concern' as well. Know that WWF will take a stance against any form of whaling. Minke whales need to be revaluated and perhaps split between their atlantic and pacific populations, because as of now they are among the most populous whale species. This does not help any opposition against the proposed whaling.
The whaling commission who states these minke whales as endangered do also mention its impossible to assess some of their populations. I'm afraid to say the SK government is not going to be swayed by anything less than internation sanctions. GLHF wwf 
Population source:
http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm
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On July 05 2012 21:48 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 21:42 theBALLS wrote:
What makes this worse than eating chicken if they don't hunt to the point of extinction? Well there's a few differences . First and foremost many types of whales are a protected species , also they're wild animals so hunting them is very different than farming chickens who're domesticated animals.
so according to this line of logic, if we can domesticate an animal, then we have the right to commercialise it as food?
i'm not for whaling and i do think hunting an animal near extenction is morally incorrect. but i would like to bring up what happened when perry forcibly opened japan's borders in 1853. one of his objectives was to open up the seas surronding the area so that american whalers, who at the time had a monopoly on the buisness, could whale and use japanese ports to stock up. from that period on america's whaling industry whaled the crap out of japan's sea for whale oil.
nowadays, whales are nearing extinction, whale oil isnt that useful anymore and the industry is not as profitable anymore. most countrys who commit whaling only do it for food.
what im trying to say is that one big contributor to whales nearing extenction was the american whaling industry. imagine if a random stranger came into your house and ate most of your beloved sausages and then turned around and said to you "hey you're nearly out of sausages so dont eat anymore ok?". thats how i feel the situation with america and japan in regards to whaling is like right now.
like i said, i am against it all but i just wanted to bring up a different pov to see what all you fine gentlemens think about it. i feel like the problem isnt nearly as black and white as the media paints it out to be.
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On July 05 2012 20:57 saMas wrote:
Humans are just a virus
nah we aren't. Money is, because without it, you cant even cure a virus. sad huh.
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On July 05 2012 23:09 Tsutchie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 21:48 Elsid wrote:On July 05 2012 21:42 theBALLS wrote:
What makes this worse than eating chicken if they don't hunt to the point of extinction? Well there's a few differences . First and foremost many types of whales are a protected species , also they're wild animals so hunting them is very different than farming chickens who're domesticated animals. so according to this line of logic, if we can domesticate an animal, then we have the right to commercialise it as food?
Why not? Why are only cows, pigs and chicken acceptable to so many people? If anything whales would be the best thing to farm since you get so much food per life.
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What sort of difference is there from "scientific whaling" and whaling for other purposes, such as using their products in the market. Not only should we consider the moral issues regarding whaling in general, but also for what benefit is it to kill whales for scientific reasons.
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On July 05 2012 21:15 jpak wrote:
Wait. South korea has an agenda against whales too?
FUCK YOU DOLPHIN! FUCK YOU WHALE!
HAHAHAHA. Laughed my ass off. Came here for that comment, and I was not disappointed!
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On July 05 2012 22:40 Chewbacca. wrote:
Why do we think we need to stop every single species from dying out? Species have been going extinct long before humans ever came along.
This is how I feel. Why exactly are we going to such great lengths to save whales? I'm against actively trying to kill off animals just to make them go extinct but if it's just a byproduct of what we do.. What do whales even contribute to human society? Aren't bees also struggling? I'd be more concerned about them.
On July 05 2012 23:22 Valentine wrote:
What sort of difference is there from "scientific whaling" and whaling for other purposes, such as using their products in the market. Not only should we consider the moral issues regarding whaling in general, but also for what benefit is it to kill whales for scientific reasons.
Whatever scientific whaling is, it's probably more useful than whatever whales are doing for us as is.
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