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On July 10 2012 21:21 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 15:14 yandere991 wrote:On July 06 2012 16:06 kaisen wrote:On July 06 2012 16:00 PrideNeverDie wrote:
minke whales aren't even endangered and are the most populated whales in the world at 600,000 Exactly. They are in the list of "least concerned" in the watch list. Somehow, the anti-whaling activists are claiming that it is endangered. Kaisen you confuse me. One day you're creating threads shitting on the Chinese about letting Americans hunt "endangered" species on their land which are actually under '"Least Concerned" and the next day you're accusing the anti-whaling activists of mislabeling endangered status . ...what?
Just reminded me of this pretty old thread (oh man its nearly a year, oh good times)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254237
Thought it was pretty funny
On topic: If they're not hunting endangered species inside their own territorial waters who are we to stop them? I mean I don't like the treatment in the making of foie gras but I'm not going to start criminal acts bordering on eco-terrorism in Canada to stop them because respecting other nation's sovereignty is actually important.
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I'm a little amazed at how much hate there is on South Korea for thinking of whaling.
Whaling has been outlawed for several decades, and all these endangered species have had a chance to recover. From the perspective of countries that used to whale, the international agreement to stop whaling was a temporary agreement. At some point it should only be fair they are allowed to resume again, as long as the numbers taken are intelligently regulated.
For Japan if I recall correctly they take ~500 minke whales for "research" / whale meat eating a year, and considerably fewer than that of a couple other species. I did look this up at one point feel free to Wikipedia it or something if you want too lazy to link everything right now. Putting this all in perspective though, some whale estimates (many are dated):
http://iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm
If South Korea were to adopt an extraction policy similar to Japan, I highly doubt this would be the end of the whales as we know it.
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Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first.
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whales are more worthwhile than some of the cultural dredge coming out of sk
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On July 11 2012 09:07 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first.
I agree with you, but what happens when all the animals are gone...? Whales reproduce very slowly, aggressive hunting can put them to extinction in a very short time.
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On July 11 2012 09:07 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first.
Too bad it's entirely possible to survive without "using" animals.
It's of my belief that black people are here for the sole purpose of helping us (white people) survive. Whether it's growing my food, making my clothes, building my shelter, or products made by their hands. Black's have always been and will continue to be used for our benefit.
See what I did there? If we just use and treat living beings like crap, then the whole world is crap. Human's wont be able to evolve until we move past this kind of thinking your spouting off. I'm not claiming whole world should be vegan tomorrow(would be wonderful though), but taking steps BACKWARDS, doesn't help the freaking situation.
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On July 05 2012 20:42 Bleak wrote:
Human is a disgusting species.
Any species in the universe will hunt their prey regardless of whether or not it is endangered. Get over yourself and smart up.
Although I'm for whaling, I disagree with hunting endangered whales. Although it takes FOREVER for whales to repopulate, it's still a necessary wait if you want to keep whaling in the future.
On July 11 2012 12:38 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:07 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first. Too bad it's entirely possible to survive without "using" animals. It's of my belief that black people are here for the sole purpose of helping us (white people) survive. Whether it's growing my food, making my clothes, building my shelter, or products made by their hands. Black's have always been and will continue to be used for our benefit. See what I did there? If we just use and treat living beings like crap, then the whole world is crap. Human's wont be able to evolve until we move past this kind of thinking your spouting off. I'm not claiming whole world should be vegan tomorrow(would be wonderful though), but taking steps BACKWARDS, doesn't help the freaking situation.
Yeah I see what you did there, and although his belief is a little extreme, I don't believe it matters whether or not we can do without it or not. Humans lived for a long ass time without anything but the most basic of technologies. If you all of a sudden believe we should stop using the internet because it consumes an amount of electricity, then you start believing ridiculous bullshit as well.
The problem is not whaling, but instead the rate and the particular whales being killed.
Whales wouldn't give a shit if they killed us and used us for food, we are animals, just as they are, and we do what we want with what we want. The issue here is, if we want to keep doing what we want with whales, then we are going to need whales.
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Updated OP with news from today from SK, hinting they may scrap the plan..
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On July 11 2012 12:39 Shinta) wrote:Any species in the universe will hunt their prey regardless of whether or not it is endangered. Get over yourself and smart up. Although I'm for whaling, I disagree with hunting endangered whales. Although it takes FOREVER for whales to repopulate, it's still a necessary wait if you want to keep whaling in the future. Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 12:38 BlueBird. wrote:On July 11 2012 09:07 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first. Too bad it's entirely possible to survive without "using" animals. It's of my belief that black people are here for the sole purpose of helping us (white people) survive. Whether it's growing my food, making my clothes, building my shelter, or products made by their hands. Black's have always been and will continue to be used for our benefit. See what I did there? If we just use and treat living beings like crap, then the whole world is crap. Human's wont be able to evolve until we move past this kind of thinking your spouting off. I'm not claiming whole world should be vegan tomorrow(would be wonderful though), but taking steps BACKWARDS, doesn't help the freaking situation. Yeah I see what you did there, and although his belief is a little extreme, I don't believe it matters whether or not we can do without it or not. Humans lived for a long ass time without anything but the most basic of technologies. If you all of a sudden believe we should stop using the internet because it consumes an amount of electricity, then you start believing ridiculous bullshit as well. The problem is not whaling, but instead the rate and the particular whales being killed. Whales wouldn't give a shit if they killed us and used us for food, we are animals, just as they are, and we do what we want with what we want. The issue here is, if we want to keep doing what we want with whales, then we are going to need whales.
I don't want to give up technologies, honestly don't want to give up animal consumption either, just heavy factory farming and abuse of animals(so a big sacrifice if you want meat at it's current price, but yeah..).
South Korea's plans don't sound like they are moving us forward as a planet, and I'm glad to hear plans may be scrapped.
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Pretty disgusting. Yes, I eat beef. Yes, I eat chicken. Yes, I eat pork.
Whales are far less numerous than these farm raised animals. For that reason, I feel that they should be left the fuck alone by everyone unless there is a LEGITIMATE reason to kill them.
Does that make me a hypocrite? I don't see how it would. If there are a small number of a particular creature remaining on Earth, protect them.
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On July 10 2012 09:23 Enzymatic wrote:
"Scientific reasons" as in the same bullshit superstitious "health" reasons Japanese are hunting sharks for their fins? These pacific-rim countries and their outrageous level of superstition..
Me thinks you have Japan and China confused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_fin_soup
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On July 12 2012 07:03 ayaz2810 wrote:
Pretty disgusting. Yes, I eat beef. Yes, I eat chicken. Yes, I eat pork.
Whales are far less numerous than these farm raised animals. For that reason, I feel that they should be left the fuck alone by everyone unless there is a LEGITIMATE reason to kill them.
Does that make me a hypocrite? I don't see how it would. If there are a small number of a particular creature remaining on Earth, protect them.
There is a legitimate reason, it provides people with jobs, money, food, etc. The same exact reason why we kill pigs/cows/chickens. Besides, they're not completely depleting the whale population, just hunting a few every year. I fail to see how this is somehow worse than many other practices we utilize.
There are far less whales then farm raised animals because we have artificial increased the population of these animals immensely.
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A few things I've read that make me laugh:
1. People suddenly hating on their own species.
2. People who chant "save the whales" while admitting to eating other forms of meat.
3. People blaming Asian nations for destroying the environment when the bulk of the damage has always been (and continues to be) done by Western countries.
4. People who believe animals were "put on this earth for man's use".
And guess what?
![[image loading]](http://brandonwantstochangetheworld.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mad.jpg)
User was warned for this post
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On July 11 2012 09:07 Joedaddy wrote:
Good for SK. If they feel like whaling is going to benefit their country and the people in it, then they should go for it. Its my personal belief that animals were put here for the sole purpose of helping us (humans) survive. Whether its food from their meat, clothes and shelter from their hides, or products made from their parts. Animals have always been and will continue to be consumption for our benefit.
People come first.
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On July 12 2012 12:38 xtruder wrote:A few things I've read that make me laugh: 1. People suddenly hating on their own species. 2. People who chant "save the whales" while admitting to eating other forms of meat. 3. People blaming Asian nations for destroying the environment when the bulk of the damage has always been (and continues to be) done by Western countries. 4. People who believe animals were "put on this earth for man's use". And guess what? User was warned for this post
Award winning posts of raw primitive vanity (award to "Joedaddy" for a line of thought that may have been necessary 100 years ago) and shift the blame game (award to xtruder pointing fingers at the sinners of now without care to the sinners of the future ((China, India and Brazil)) ).
Astounding and critical posts that progressed debate in this thread on the whole.
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On July 07 2012 22:37 makaron wrote:Show nested quote +
i don't believe in karma so that doesn't apply. i do believe in God but Jesus ate fish and meat so that means im all good. i guess i "believe in science" but i don't think this idea of a lynchpin species has ever been proven, nor has it been proven that whales are a lynchpin even if lynchpin species' do exist. whales are not more intelligent than man, and big brain does not mean more intelligence... like at all. or do you think males are 1/3 times smarter than all females?
i don't own the planet but my kids do? okay well 1) i don't have kids, and 2) when i have kids ill use their whales to feed them, lol.
i dont know what the iphone thing is even about so im not gonna comment.
i would answer to the ET: they died out bro. we ate em. but have you seen our cows? they are beautiful and they taste amazing. then me and ET would go have a burger and a beer and laugh about it.
you could get a stupid tv show if you act like a dummy while you "protect" the whales.
killing whales seems no different than... an orca killing a whale. you know that orca's even kill people? so do dolphins.
"and big brain does not mean more intelligence" Thats right.when i look around , i can see your point Average male brain is 12% bigger and have 4% more neurons.You ask for facts but you cant even get them right.You are not from usa,are you? "And God said, See, I have given you every plant producing seed, on the face of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit producing seed: they will be for your food." and i know its hard to graps something so unique if you are just grunt that do what he is told. i know thats why i love orcas.can you name species that orcas hunted to extiction?And do you really compare your iq to orcas?i mean yes i heard they are quite inteligent,you can train them and stuff,but..still... well neat at least your DNA and stuff dies with you. Show nested quote +You guys acting like Asians are cruel and insensitive or saying things along the line of "their mentality is dangerous" are just ignorant. There are great efforts to preserve endangered animals like pandas. becouse defects of others,are mirrors to ours.
Genesis 9:1-3 (English-NIV)
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Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.
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The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
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Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
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looks like south korea has found their way of venting their anger caused from the decline of brood war, killing whales. I mean, it makes me want to punch little children in the face, so I can understand how a culture that has been so heavily influenced by it could resort to murdering giant fish.
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Well, for me, it depends on what they are planing with the research. What are they after? WHY do they want to research whales? Could whales be the cure to cancer? then sure. Research. But if we'll get better hairproducts or something out of this, leave them the fuck alone.
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I dont see a problem with this. We kill tons of livestock. Its God's will and I'm ok with that 
I applaud South Korea for standing up against retard hipsters like green peace.
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God's will.. referring to green peace as retard hipsters.. oh boy. The average intelligence of the people discussing this topic really doesn't bring anything meaningul to the table. Just mindless banter.
Is it wrong to kill animals for food? Well probably not, but some would disagree. Is it wrong to hunt a species into extinction? Probably, but again some would disagree. Personally, I find that hunting a species merely for 'scientific research', into extinction for some cases, is not only inhumane but iresponsable.
What exactly is this reseach accomplishing; I'd be genuinely interested in seeing papers published on the matter that aren't for the analysis of "DNA sampling, physical measurements such as earbone size, age ID, and most importantly, the contents in the digestive tract." It's nothing more than perverted propaganda at this point used to carry out personal agendas. What of importance is coming from this? What does killing 500 whales 'in the name of science' accomplish?
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