EPThttp://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-20120702.html
I guess when we find stuff I have to post it on more forums from now on.
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tokinho
United States792 Posts
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-20120702.html I guess when we find stuff I have to post it on more forums from now on. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
Anyhow, count me in the group who is not very wowed by this discovery. People have been assuming for a while now that this particle existed in physics. | ||
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:03 Myrkskog wrote: You sound like a bitter alternative model physicist who just found out that his life's work was a waste of time. Just kidding, you don't sound like a scientist at all. It's already all been figured out? Please enlighten us so we can stop spending millions of dollars at CERN. Plus you getting the Nobel prize would spare us the dilemma of the 3 person limit. My alternative model is called relativity. Remember that? That thing that doesn't just fill charts full of non-descript particles which serve no practical purpose? You know the thing that describes how light, gravity, space, and time work? Theres a new damn particle every 5 years discovered, a bunch of old men pat themselves on the back and NOTHING CHANGES. I'm bitter because people like you say it's the standard model or no model. You people act like YOU make the rules instead of understand the existing ones. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So how would this benefit society, at least in the next five years? I mean it's great for physicists, finally we're making major discoveries again in that field... but how will this benefit the everyman, or at least any part of humanity? Did Einstein know what techological applications his theory had? Did Newton? Did the person that discovered electrons(can't remember name)? Without these people we wouldn't have the technology we have today, but isn't just understanding our universe just a little bit better enough? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:56 Larkin wrote: Oh I do hope this will shut religous people up. Of course it won't. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:56 Larkin wrote: Oh I do hope this will shut religous people up. Why would it? It has nothing to do with religion. On July 05 2012 04:58 Recognizable wrote: Did Einstein know what techological applications his theory had? Did Newton? Did the person that discovered electrons(can't remember name)? Without these people we wouldn't have the technology we have today, but isn't just understanding our universe just a little bit better enough? Well Einstein's work did lead to the atom bomb and I guess nuclear power, but then again that took 30 years. But he personally had a part on it. If FTL travel or creating our own black holes or some other technology comes about in the 2040's... that would actually be pretty cool. Okay, you're right  | ||
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Resonance
Canada113 Posts
I was hoping for a negative response just to make science a little bit more interesting ;o | ||
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Sovern
United States312 Posts
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring. Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things. Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
We should discuss about useful subjects and not about other people beliefs. Telling a christian that this should shut them up is not only offensive, but also a complete waste of fucking time. Don't you fucking get it? Now, what are the useful subjects that we can discuss from such an important discovery? | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
A rebel who probably doesn't know how huge it is that the Higgs Boson could have actually been discovered. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote: It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell. I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring. Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things. Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. It didn't occur to you when you were typing this that these scientific discoveries are what allow us to have the technology that we do? Stuff like this has a lot more significance than just giving a bunch of scientists the ability to say "Ha! We were (almost certainly) right!". | ||
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tokinho
United States792 Posts
http://nuclear.ucdavis.edu/~tgutierr/files/sml2.pdf In layman terms.. discovering the higgs boson implies that the theory that we have is correct. Assuming that its assumptions hold true. "and then the haters beat god with a stick and god said prick." | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote: It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell. I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring. Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things. Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 05 2012 06:35 ArC_man wrote: Why are people calling the Higgs the "God" particle? Might as well call the photon the Zeus particle. my sentiments exactly. People call the Higgs the "God particle" because they don't understand what the Higgs is would be my guess. I don't know who coined the term, but maybe it's just because it's a hype name coined by physicists to get people interested who otherwise wouldn't be. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote: You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On July 05 2012 06:29 tokinho wrote: For those of you who actually care to know what it means to discover the higgs boson.. I suggest looking at the formula that it derives from.. I'm posting it here from a UCDavis theory professor from one of the advanced Quantum classes. (notice how the problem is question 1) http://nuclear.ucdavis.edu/~tgutierr/files/sml2.pdf In layman terms.. discovering the higgs boson implies that the theory that we have is correct. Assuming that its assumptions hold true. "and then the haters beat god with a stick and god said prick." As someone with very limited science knowledge that looks insane. How do you even go about "showing" that? How long does it take to do so? | ||
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