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On July 05 2012 06:38 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:35 ArC_man wrote:
Why are people calling the Higgs the "God" particle? Might as well call the photon the Zeus particle. my sentiments exactly. People call the Higgs the "God particle" because they don't understand what the Higgs is would be my guess. I don't know who coined the term, but maybe it's just because it's a hype name coined by physicists to get people interested who otherwise wouldn't be.
it was originally coined the goddam particle but that didn't go over too well so the name was changed to the god particle.
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On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits.
The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle.
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France9034 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind.
Lightnings were observable since prehistory and before. We can use the electricity since the1800s. Lightnings were things that were already "existing", right ? How useless it was that some scientists discovered the very basic thing that makes you able to use your computer to post on this forum.
Well... put like that, it's somehow a shame...
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Wow this is really amazing. The particle that I've been reading, and hearing about for awhile now, and how illusive it is has finally been found.
Awesome stuff!! Congratz on the Nobel Prof. Higgs 
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It's a good day to be a Physics student! Not many people were expecting such convincing results in such a short amount of time, so this is very exciting.
It's sad to see so many posts saying this discovery is meaningless. Most discoveries do seem meaningless to someone who doesn't know anything about the science in question because it does not present any immediate benefit to their lives.. please acknowledge that science is a process; be patient and appreciate how the breakthrough science of the past decades is improving your life now. The discovery of the Higgs confirms a theory, which enables us to predict other phenomena and check for their existence. The possible breakthroughs from this discovery is endless.
Think about the discovery of the electron...
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On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle.
What kind of particles does it use?
Are photons considered quantum physics?
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On July 05 2012 06:48 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle. What kind of particles does it use? Are photons considered quantum physics?
Photons, along with all extremely small particles are considered quantum particles.
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On July 05 2012 06:50 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:48 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle. What kind of particles does it use? Are photons considered quantum physics? Photons, along with all extremely small particles are considered quantum particles.
Photons are Bosons.
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France9034 Posts
On July 05 2012 06:48 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle. What kind of particles does it use? Are photons considered quantum physics?
It's exactly the same type of particle.
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On July 05 2012 06:59 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:48 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle. What kind of particles does it use? Are photons considered quantum physics? It's exactly the same type of particle.
Electrons are also quite useful 
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On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits.
All 'modern' technology relies on modern computers.
Modern computers are only possible due to semi-conductors.
Semi-conductors can only be explained when using a Quantum Mechanical explanation.
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Amazing news. I wont claim to know all that much about quantum mechanics, depsite my efforts to learn some, but I have the feeling this is pretty good news for humanity.
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I'm really happy about this, I'd have been more happy if it had been dis-proven 100% (well 5 sigma not 100%, but w/e) but this discovery is up there for the number one discovery in the past 60 years. What I'm wondering now is what the next avenue will be. The LHC has spent such a huge amount of effort in gathering information to prove the higgs, will their experiments carry forward and provide additional data at higher energy levels? From what I understand they will, they'll just be looking at the same data for different patterns/anomalies.
The problem is that people will be all excited about this and start asking what this means for normal people. Short answer, nothing, not for a while at least. If we can start manipulating the higgs, creating massless or supermassive versions of existing particles THEN we'll have the biggest breakthrough since splitting the atom, for now we're still all theoretical though.
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On July 05 2012 06:43 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:41 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year. How do quantum physics effect computers? I thought that it's just "basic" electrical circuits. The "laser" that reads your hard drive. That's why I also mentioned the DVD player. Same principle.
Also as far as I know, quantum tunneling is used for high quality touch screens these days. Read a few pieces on that some time ago, it's rather interesting really.
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On July 04 2012 11:44 kingjames01 wrote:
This means that independently two groups have a result that might be a statistic error once in 3.5 million times.
Is once every 3.5 mill a lot? I heard in the video someone said 'we run it 40 million times a second, everyday all year'. So, what does that mean?
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Because of the neutrino thing, I'm still a bit sceptical. This is just too good to be true! :D
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On July 05 2012 08:01 MrRicewife wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 11:44 kingjames01 wrote:
This means that independently two groups have a result that might be a statistic error once in 3.5 million times.
Is once every 3.5 mill a lot? I heard in the video someone said 'we run it 40 million times a second, everyday all year'. So, what does that mean?
It's very little. In social sciences, polls and researches using stats tend to have have a margin of error of 5% - which means that the result is most likely true, with a 5% chance of being wrong (generally slightly). This is generally associated with the issues that come with a small sample size and such.
Here, the sample size is so enormous that there's only a 1 chance in 35 millions that there is some kind of statistical anomaly. In comparison, being dealt a royal straight flush in one hand is a LOT more likely.
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On July 05 2012 06:20 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. It didn't occur to you when you were typing this that these scientific discoveries are what allow us to have the technology that we do? Stuff like this has a lot more significance than just giving a bunch of scientists the ability to say "Ha! We were (almost certainly) right!".
To be honest, I could care less about the technology that it enables. I'd actually prefer to live a live completely free from technology and being attached to materialistic things as its much more peaceful and slower paced than the modern industrial world that we live in.
On July 05 2012 06:32 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. You obviously have no idea how much Quantum Mechanics has already been used in our everyday products. You think your computer would exist without our advances in particle physics? Your DVD player? Finding the most elusive particle that exists in the matter we live in -- I'm glad I'm not so jaded as to think that's "pointless and boring". This is an important step, and it shows how our scientific engineering is continuing to improve, year after year.
Like I said, I could care less about how quantum mechanics enables me to use DVD players or how particle physics enables all of these technology's that foster a fast paced technologically advanced lifestyle. I'd rather live a life free from most or all technology and be at peace with myself and what I have......
Personally, I don't even have a cell phone and I haven't had one for well over a year, all that technology does and searching for particles is blinds us from realizing the beauty that is already all over around us, the present moment and the beauty and peace that it offers.
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On July 05 2012 08:52 Sovern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:20 GwSC wrote:On July 05 2012 05:39 Sovern wrote:
It's pretty sad to see people arguing that finding some particle will "prove religious people wrong" and are egocentric about their beliefs. It makes the atheists out to look just as bad as the theists that go around telling people that they're going to hell.
I'm an atheist myself but still find this discovery boring and pointless but that's just my own opinion. I'm sure that those same scientists also find having fun and artistic things to be pointless and boring.
Furthermore, it is in my opinion that all of these scientific finding's based around particle physics or physics in general are pointless as everything that is, will always be there meaning that all of the particles and laws that scientists say are laws actually already exist and "discovering" things that already exist such as this Higgs Boson particle does nothing to change things.
Its just the human nature of labeling things as discoveries, theory's, and laws when in actuality they aren't laws but reality's observed and decoded by the human mind. It didn't occur to you when you were typing this that these scientific discoveries are what allow us to have the technology that we do? Stuff like this has a lot more significance than just giving a bunch of scientists the ability to say "Ha! We were (almost certainly) right!". To be honest, I could care less about the technology that it enables. I'd actually prefer to live a live completely free from technology and being attached to materialistic things as its much more peaceful and slower paced than the modern industrial world that we live in.
I refuse to believe that anyone could seriously type this while browsing internet forums for a computer game on their PC. 100% troll.
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