EPTThe way it works here is that the school is paid $X per credit obtained per student. The more credits a student gets, the more money the school receives. When you have a 60% graduation rate, there are a ton of credits left on the table and therefore a lot of money the school is missing out on. The no-zero policy is just a way to increase the school's revenue without increasing the quality of education or making the students more motivated.
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
The way it works here is that the school is paid $X per credit obtained per student. The more credits a student gets, the more money the school receives. When you have a 60% graduation rate, there are a ton of credits left on the table and therefore a lot of money the school is missing out on. The no-zero policy is just a way to increase the school's revenue without increasing the quality of education or making the students more motivated. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
After I read this line in the news article, I made up my mind that this policy is bullshit. It is not the teacher's responsibility to go find you if you have late assignments. You take responsibility and find the teacher. That is how it works in my school. And it seems that "not completed" is basically the same thing as a zero except with a language twist to make dumbass students feel better. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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FIStarcraft
United States154 Posts
My mind is blown. Hell, ever since we started letter grades in 3rd grade, every teacher gave out a zero for missed assignments. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
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Zilch
20 Posts
On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote: As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?" Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong? In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. After all, when I'm looking for a job, my grades should show how good I am at said thing, not how nice I was in class. Just because I didn't come to every English class doesn't mean I wont come to work every day. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher. Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder). Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden). Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... One major, and oft forgotten, part of education is the hidden curriculum. Students are expected to be taught things such as discipline, integrity, respect, responsibility, etc. As important as content knowledge is, character development is equally critical. The prevalence in behavioral questions during interviews for professional jobs is some indication that character is vitally important to employers nowadays. The question then becomes how should character development be assessed in the classroom? Should it be a component in an overall grade? One district I interviewed with gave separate grades for academic performance and behavior. As long as the basis of the behavioral assessment is made clear, this seems like the best option. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
we gave liberals the power over school systems and instead of allowing our best to fulfill their potentials they held everyone back to allow our worst to feel better about themselves. instead of allowing some people to fail they would rather the entire nation shoulder the burden by throwing more money at the problem. everyone should graduate college and be anything they want to be the liberals said. then when the people who believed them took out too much in loans and got a harsh dose of reality the liberals blamed the system calling it broken. the system is broken and liberals broke it because in life there will always be winners and losers. | ||
micronesia
United States24782 Posts
On June 03 2012 03:59 r.Evo wrote: Big thanks for that post, that clarified things a lot. What I'm curious about is the "no zero policy" in general. While I understand the motivational benefit doesn't it also reward non-complying/lazy behaviour? aka "If I can't get a 0 anyway and I can catch up the grade, why should I do this stuff right now? Might as well do it in a month!" Usually the 'no 0' policy just means 'no zero on a 100 point scale where 65 is passing.' It doesn't mean 'no zero on any grading scale.' On a college scale of A=4 B=3 C=2 D=1 F=0 then 0's are perfectly acceptable by the logic. On June 03 2012 09:59 PrideNeverDie wrote: this is the decline of american education we gave liberals the power over school systems and instead of allowing our best to fulfill their potentials they held everyone back to allow our worst to feel better about themselves. instead of allowing some people to fail they would rather the entire nation shoulder the burden by throwing more money at the problem. everyone should graduate college and be anything they want to be the liberals said. then when the people who believed them took out too much in loans and got a harsh dose of reality the liberals blamed the system calling it broken. the system is broken and liberals broke it because in life there will always be winners and losers. How is this a 'liberals' thing? On June 03 2012 09:37 CaptainCharisma wrote: If the teacher's employer (the school) requires that he grade in a particular way, he should do it. If he has a problem with the way things are done and wants to effect change, he should take it up with the principal or the board and state his case. The school was perfectly within its rights to sack him. While you are basically correct, saying he should take it up with the principal/board isn't really helpful since it would accomplish nothing except get them mad at him. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On June 03 2012 09:59 PrideNeverDie wrote: this is the decline of american education we gave liberals the power over school systems and instead of allowing our best to fulfill their potentials they held everyone back to allow our worst to feel better about themselves. instead of allowing some people to fail they would rather the entire nation shoulder the burden by throwing more money at the problem. everyone should graduate college and be anything they want to be the liberals said. then when the people who believed them took out too much in loans and got a harsh dose of reality the liberals blamed the system calling it broken. the system is broken and liberals broke it because in life there will always be winners and losers. This didn't even happen in America...try to read the article. | ||
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alpinefpOPP
United States134 Posts
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Cham
797 Posts
On June 03 2012 10:08 Bigtony wrote: This didn't even happen in America...try to read the article. Hahaha those crazy American liberals screwing up stuff in Canada now apparently. I woke up with a neck ache today, I am going to blame them for that too! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46226 Posts
On June 03 2012 09:59 PrideNeverDie wrote: this is the decline of american education we gave liberals the power over school systems and instead of allowing our best to fulfill their potentials they held everyone back to allow our worst to feel better about themselves. instead of allowing some people to fail they would rather the entire nation shoulder the burden by throwing more money at the problem. everyone should graduate college and be anything they want to be the liberals said. then when the people who believed them took out too much in loans and got a harsh dose of reality the liberals blamed the system calling it broken. the system is broken and liberals broke it because in life there will always be winners and losers. Really? This is totally not politically charged, let alone USA-related. Good job reading the OP or the articles. Stop being so inflammatory with your completely random and nonsensical post. Also, being a liberal and an educator doesn't mean that you believe that everyone absolutely must go to college. You don't even have those facts right. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
On June 03 2012 10:03 micronesia wrote: While you are basically correct, saying he should take it up with the principal/board isn't really helpful since it would accomplish nothing except get them mad at him. I agree that is what would probably happen. So then it is the teacher's choice whether to take the matter further by perhaps talking to a local representative, or resigning and finding a school that suits him better or starting up his own education programs. | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote: This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. So. We're all the same then?  Why should I listen to some teacher, when I can just take the test... Some teachers really add nothing to the course, while others add alot. It's how it has worked for me during most of my education, and is still the case at uni. --I can't complain, really. Imo a good teacher is an asset; while a bad one doesn't neccesarily spell disaster; just means you read it on your own -- I haven't come across many bad curricular books (can only think of one or two at the top of my head -- result often being stupid, and sometimes overly simple questions) | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
On June 03 2012 09:22 chadissilent wrote: This happened in my hometown. This school is known for having a large number of students with one of the lowest graduation rates in the city, many gang-related violence issues and a racially segregated student body. Maybe things have changed since my friends went there, but it seems as if the school was attempting to increase graduation rates in order to get more funding from the province. The way it works here is that the school is paid $X per credit obtained per student. The more credits a student gets, the more money the school receives. When you have a 60% graduation rate, there are a ton of credits left on the table and therefore a lot of money the school is missing out on. The no-zero policy is just a way to increase the school's revenue without increasing the quality of education or making the students more motivated. I am assuming you are referring to the school in Edmonton? I'm from Ontario, and for some reason, I remember hearing one of my teachers saying about the funding/student relationship. Guess it's an overall Canadian education policy. It just kinds of increases this type of behavior as time goes on. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
The policy itself is idiotic. Yeah, you can be an idiot for not following something idiotic. My cousin did the following once: give no zeroes, but make sure to take that out of other works. If they deserve to fail, make sure they do. Give essay questions for maximum grading discretion. | ||
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Birdfood
United States33 Posts
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raVensc2
116 Posts
This assessment criteria contains the information on what students are expected to demonstrate to achieve each grade, ranging from A to E, and in no way is affected by the time the student submits his or her work. A student could hand up his work late, but the teacher must still mark the student based on the assessment criteria, pay no attention to the submission time, and then hand the assessment to SACE. If a teacher marks students lower than C-grades for main subjects (English, Math), then SACE sends messages to the school to tell them that the teacher is not teaching correctly, or not sufficiently. This is part of a plan to increase the level of education in the community, but demerit points should be given to the students which have not handed up their work on time. | ||
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