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xtruder
Profile Joined October 2011
Afghanistan135 Posts
April 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#261
This woman is taking easy money. Shameful, but I can see why she did it. All she has to do is make a few statements in court and sign her name on some papers to get a huge part of that settlement. her lawyer does all the rest of the work.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 04:39:27
April 28 2012 04:38 GMT
#262
I don't understand who decides they can slam it as unhealthy.

per tbsp: 100 calories, 6 grams of fat (60 calories) and 11 g carbohydrate (40, without the 4 counting as fibre), and 1 g protein @ 4 calories. Ingredients are essentially sugar, hazelnuts, cocoa and skim milk and some minor flavorings.

Kraft Natural Peanut Butter per tbsp: 90 calories from 7 g of fat (70 calories) and 3 g carbohydrate (12 calories) and 4 grams of protein (16 calories). Ingredients are sugar, peanuts (instead of hazelnuts), vegetable oil and preservatives and flavorings.

How about a nice healthy glass of milk! 250 ml, 120 calories, 12 g sugar, 8g protein

peanut butter companies market the same way nutella does: cheap, quick, "healthy" breakfast that kids love. Which is true. kids like peanut butter and nutella because its really delicious. And getting kids to eat breakfast, period, may be more important.

is peanut butter healthier? i suppose it is 10 less calories with marginally less sugar per 2 tbsp... but that all adds up to a quarter to MAYBE half a can of soda per day. Or, if you prefer, a little cup of milk.

Should we sue the milk companies for promoting milk as a staple in our every day diet? We could cut that extra 5g fat and all that extra sugar... and milk is a much bigger business than nutella. hmmm...

bottom line: this is ridiculous and most arguments in this thread seem to be based on hearsay and not on any nutritional foundation. ultimately, aside from minor (10g per day) protein fluctuations, nutella seems like a pretty legit options for a few hundred calories in the morning. plus, its ridiculously tasty.
Rfaulker
Profile Joined December 2010
United States53 Posts
April 28 2012 04:39 GMT
#263
If it weren't for the 3 mil she was getting out of it, I would consider this lady to somewhat have a point. A lot of advertisements are very misleading, and I think they need to be held to a higher standard than they are right now...

But there's no fucking way she deserves 3.5 million.
Consistency is proficiency
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
April 28 2012 04:39 GMT
#264
This happens with a lot of products. The packaging says or doesn't say something that is common sense, someone claims it did some form of harm, they win, then the company sticks a warning or caution on the product.

Right now in New York, there's been an increase in "car accidents" AKA people walking into cars. Happened to my brother recently, didn't harm the woman but she claimed she had a broken leg, weeks later the insurance co. informs him it was false, etc. In the Winter people walk around and slip on ice, or pretend to, for easy money. Some people really like to take advantage of things.
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 05:45:48
April 28 2012 04:45 GMT
#265
edited after better understanding
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 28 2012 04:46 GMT
#266
On April 28 2012 08:38 rotinegg wrote:
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/today-food-finance-nutella-not-broccoli-162956191.html

So basically, Ferrero, the company that makes Nutella, got sued by some woman named Athena Hohenberg, because she was an idiot and thought Nutella would be HEALTHY for her children. Turns out, it's not (surprise surprise) and she filed a lawsuit claiming false advertising. She won the case, and Ferrero has to shell out $3.5 million, 2.5 of which will be spread out to claimants in a class action lawsuit.

I think this is retarded, and sometimes I really hate the people we live with. Thoughts?

greedy dumb people get their way, too much of the time in the current legal system imo =S
logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
April 28 2012 04:47 GMT
#267
*Cough* Tort Reform*Cough cough*
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theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
April 28 2012 04:48 GMT
#268
3.5million is like the CEOS pocket money... these type of lawsuits are standard and are contemplated in the budget of every big company, as it is impossible to operate without getting sued, be it justified or not.
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Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#269
On April 28 2012 10:22 DavidHolmes wrote:
I hate to make my first post on TL for something as silly as this, but the state of this thread is agonizingly bad. Half of the posts completely misunderstand and/or misrepresent this story, and most of the rest are just taking for granted that they're correct. Around 5% of the posts are pointing out reality, and most people are ignoring them.

This woman did not win $3.5 million from Nutella. In fact, that $3.5 million number is probably an outright error; every source except the one the OP links seems to say it was $3.05 million.

She also did not win $2.5 million. She did not win $1 million. She probably didn't even win enough to pay the gas money she would have needed to fight this case, nor did anybody else. Nobody won millions of dollars, or even noteworthy amounts of money except the lawyers, who probably recieved $0.55 million. The rest of the money goes in tiny amounts to anybody who bought a jar of Nutella.

This is a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, which means that Nutella was accused of misrepresenting their product to a very large number of people and therefore that very large number of people is entitled to very small damages reflecting that. All anybody won was an amount of money not even in the ballpark of what they paid for the product, because that's basically what this was about: people being entitled to their money back. Which they're not really getting: the settlement is apparently up to $4 if you bought five jars of Nutella, so 80 cents per jar at best $4 per jar of Nutella, up to $20 for five (sorry about the original error).

I'm not going to say the settlement was right. If nothing else, the fact that so much of the money goes to lawyers suggests to me that it's wrong.

But it's absurd to suggest that this woman did anything out of greed, because there's no way she, or the other claimants, or anybody except the people on the internet misrepresenting this case would ever make any money worth mentioning. The only people making money are the lawyers. Which may be wrong, but it's not the situation everybody here is claiming it is.

See also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/nutella-lawsuit_n_1457183.html?ref=food

EDIT:
The real deal: https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Home.aspx

Sorry about the errors. I actually don't know how much the lawyers got, and it looks like that whole $3 million number goes to claimants. The basic gist was correct, though - sueing Nutella was not a "get rich quick" scheme for anybody.


Please. Put this in the OP.

The woman isn't in it for the money. No one is.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Heweree
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom497 Posts
April 28 2012 04:57 GMT
#270
On April 28 2012 08:50 Marti wrote:

Edit : i don't think this happens only in the us, i'm pretty sure the laws regarding false advertisment are somewhat similar in other western countries.


It happens only in the US. In other countries she certainly wouldn't have got 3.5 millions.
3.5 FUCKING MILLIONS.
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DavidHolmes
Profile Joined April 2012
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 05:17:59
April 28 2012 04:58 GMT
#271
On April 28 2012 13:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Please. Put this in the OP.

The woman isn't in it for the money. No one is.

Thanks... I did make a mistake and edit that post since then, though: according to the settlement document, she does actually get $2000 in the end as an incentive fee, so it's not nothing. And the lawyers actually get millions of dollars on top of that, so somebody's in it for the money, though it's probably not her.

EDIT: Actually, if somebody's going to put anything anywhere or quote things, they should just look at the numbers from the settlement docs at that link:

* Cash settlement amount: $3.05 million dollars ($2.5 million from nationwide suit, $550,000 from California suit)
* This is distributed amonst claimants, with up to $20 for somebody who bought five jars of Nutella
* Up to $300,000 can be used to set up that website
* Up to $2000 may go to the woman who filed the suit

* Injunctive Fees (to the lawyers): $3.9 million dollars ($3 million from the nationwide suit, $900,000 from the California suit)

So in total, Ferrero will need to pay around $6.95 million dollars, but at most $2000 of it goes to the woman people are berating in this thread. Most of it goes to lawyers. The million-dollar numbers people keep saying the plaintiff is going to get are complete nonsense.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
April 28 2012 04:59 GMT
#272
Just for posterity on all the people referring to the Hot Coffee case and how the media is probably the least useful source of information
On October 04 2008 17:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
hehe the thing about punitive damages are that people just see the number and don't fully understand the significance.

for example there are a lot of misguided opinions on the McDonald's coffee case (i'm sure many of you have heard of it), where a woman spilled McDonald's coffee on herself, got burned, and sued. She was awarded $3 million by the jury (later reduced to 600k). everywhere around the country you could hear the people groaning about how this was ridiculously unfair and stupid that someone could get that much money from a coffee spill.

some real facts about the situation may change your mind:

1. the woman offered to settle with mcdonalds for 20k (roughly the cost of her medical bills) but mcdonalds refused, so they went to trial (where the cost of just hiring lawyers and experts turned out to be much more than 20k)

2. the coffee wasn't just hot, it was scalding and superheated, to the point where she received burns over 6% of her body. the doctors said these were the worst burns they've ever seen from a liquid before. she had to have skin grafts to replace all the lost tissue and she also had severe muscle burns; the coffee literally melted some of her flesh off her thigh bones.

3. in the previous 10 years, McDonalds had over 700 claims of people being burned from their coffee, signaling that the company knew about the problem and didn't correct it

4. not only did they not correct the issue, but McDonald's actively had a policy to keep their coffee pots at 190 degrees, 50 more than the average hot cup of coffee. this was because McDonalds tested its coffee and realized that the scalding temperature masks the coffee's horrendous taste, so they overheated all their coffee without taking into consideration the safety hazard.

5. thermodynamics experts testified that the average cup of hot coffee burns skin exponentially less seriously; the threshold temperature is roughly 180 degrees for liquids to cause a full thickness burn

6. $2.7 million in punitive damages was the exact amount of two days worth of coffee profits from McDonald's restaurants

it boggles the mind how people can feel that "lawsuits are getting out of hand" and that its "ridiculously unfair" that a corporation that disregards safety and harms the public should be punished less for maliciously, knowingly, and actively creating a hazardous product.

only by hitting them with a large fine can we actually change their behavior, because otherwise they can just pay the small lawsuits and do a cost/benefit analysis on whats worth more: scalding coffee and paying a few burn victims or keeping their coffee at 150 degrees. we don't want companies to do this, it'd be horrible. we want them to actually be concerned about public safety, not just write it in as just another expense like napkins.

so yeah, before you go around saying omfg slip and fall he makes millions by suing, what ridiculousness! think about who you're defending.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 05:08:47
April 28 2012 05:07 GMT
#273
I still don't get why nutella is being labelled with "omg false advertising"... here's a milk commercial from up here in canada:



edit: i'm not saying theres anything wrong with milk. i'm saying the advertising is similar in that collectivity consumers think milk is healthy, despite it being high in sugar and fat (much like nutella).
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
April 28 2012 05:17 GMT
#274
On April 28 2012 14:07 ahw wrote:
I still don't get why nutella is being labelled with "omg false advertising"... here's a milk commercial from up here in canada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwB4DbKWrhU

edit: i'm not saying theres anything wrong with milk. i'm saying the advertising is similar in that collectivity consumers think milk is healthy, despite it being high in sugar and fat (much like nutella).

Would never work out in the US milk is "healthy" and varies in healthiness which is strongly backs by the dairy lobby which would prevent people from thinking otherwise, unlike smoking which is so obviously bad for you obscuring things and spinning it is one way to get around it. The truth in high calcium intake is good and bad for you, and the high saturated fat in milk helps lead to heart disease so it's just in the middle, calcium is recommended for bone health but so is alot of other things and you can get calcium from certain leafy green things that probably better overall for you without risking lactose intolerance, but the dairy lobby makes sure that one is associated with the other, i mean people think "got milk" in the US they think bone strength they don't necessarily sell it on overall health.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 05:39:19
April 28 2012 05:31 GMT
#275
How the fuck arent the judge not just looking oddly and the woman and say "go home, and diet"

lawsuits like this are riddicolous, the day people pass a common sense bill (which will allow to judge to decide) things like this will stop hurting my brain

edit: not berating the woman, if I could sue a company like that and gain money I'd do it
In the woods, there lurks..
teknotrance
Profile Joined March 2012
61 Posts
April 28 2012 05:45 GMT
#276
ok. this is why business owners outsources because of stupid americans. I mean seriously, they sue whatever they see fit. Mcdonalds, and now this one? really? REALLY? i live in the u.s, but THANK GOD i dont have american genes.
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
April 28 2012 05:48 GMT
#277
On April 28 2012 14:45 teknotrance wrote:
ok. this is why business owners outsources because of stupid americans. I mean seriously, they sue whatever they see fit. Mcdonalds, and now this one? really? REALLY? i live in the u.s, but THANK GOD i dont have american genes.


They are slowing seeping into you, don't you worry.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 05:50:17
April 28 2012 05:49 GMT
#278
'mmurica, fuck yeah!
feeling angry?
mistreated?
or just downright bored?
no problem!
just pick someone at random, and throw a lawsuit at them!
Is it retarded? frivolous? No problem! You'll still become a millionaire!
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 28 2012 05:49 GMT
#279
On April 28 2012 14:45 teknotrance wrote:
ok. this is why business owners outsources because of stupid americans. I mean seriously, they sue whatever they see fit. Mcdonalds, and now this one? really? REALLY? i live in the u.s, but THANK GOD i dont have american genes.


You accuse American's of being stupid and yet you miss the post just a few posts above detailing exactly one why you are wrong.
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Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
April 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#280
How terribly absurd, some people are just absolute scum :/
Not the companies fault you're too dumb and irresponsible to take a look at the fucking label to see how nutritous it is / isnt.
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