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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:14 songohan wrote: i used to eat nutella a lot also and my body fat was never higher than 3%. Yes, yes it was. You are clearly not aware of just how lean 3% bodyfat is. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 28 2012 11:21 screamingpalm wrote: Never has a single sentence made me feel more sadness. I went from a massive high and <3's for TL calling out the McDonald's coffe case misconceptions to the lows of this logic. The second I start a company, my own small business, I take on my shoulders the liability of several millions of dollars. This represents an immense burden on companies beyond the limits of reason. My product can cause kids to get fat if eaten in excess, and suddenly I am forced to dole out 3.5 million dollars in a hearbeat? I need to start a legal fund for shouldering this burden, which might come from so many sources, and can be expected in no real way. A single story does not an argument make, to be sure. God knows we've had enough legislation crafted from single cases that have done all sorts of ill to the USA. + Show Spoiler [For comparison] + Sears, 6.2 million, discrimination Take any number of cases for medical liability reform, though perhaps more of a state issue This issue ... you can sue a company and win for making you ... fat? 3.5 million dollars? I mean, cmon! 2.8 mil McDonalds coffee Still a hot topic Perception Frivolous Lawsuits / Tort Reform Malpractice Insurance These are here just to illuminate the full nature of some ills that bring up questions of tort reform. I mean, you gotta love class action lawsuits. Lawyers get a load of money, your average claimant ... not so much. I get what you're saying TL, and I've called to the carpet my fair share of, "Woman commits suicide for medical bills ergo universal health care is necessary right now." Just the shear minutiae of what a company must list on its products to be protected against every specter of a lawsuit is astounding, to say the least. If it makes you fat or if it could give you a burn watch out, because my lawyer will be calling! | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
So, question to Red are you sure his body fat was never above 3%, maybe he works out all the time hmm? | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:18 red_ wrote: Yes, yes it was. You are clearly not aware of just how lean 3% bodyfat is. lol 3% BF. he does not have any idea what 3% BF lol protip: professional bodybuilders come into a comp at like 4-5%....and only hold it for a few hours On April 28 2012 12:22 Happylime wrote: So hazelnut spreads aren't good for me? That's disappointing. So, question to Red are you sure his body fat was never above 3%, maybe he works out all the time hmm? if u were always 3% u would die LOL heres like 4-5% hahaha | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:22 Happylime wrote: So hazelnut spreads aren't good for me? That's disappointing. So, question to Red are you sure his body fat was never above 3%, maybe he works out all the time hmm? Professional bodybuilders in competition time after a heavy carb cycling competition diet are at perhaps those fat %s, but more likely around 4-6. You don't get 3% bodyfat with just exercise. 8% is around when you have muscles clearly showing and ripped abs(or look like an anorexic skeleton if you don't have the muscle) and that's the lowest I'd believe because you need to do some really special shit to get it below that. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 28 2012 10:22 DavidHolmes wrote: I hate to make my first post on TL for something as silly as this, but the state of this thread is agonizingly bad. Half of the posts completely misunderstand and/or misrepresent this story, and most of the rest are just taking for granted that they're correct. Around 5% of the posts are pointing out reality, and most people are ignoring them. This woman did not win $3.5 million from Nutella. In fact, that $3.5 million number is probably an outright error; every source except the one the OP links seems to say it was $3.05 million. She also did not win $2.5 million. She did not win $1 million. She probably didn't even win enough to pay the gas money she would have needed to fight this case, nor did anybody else. Nobody won millions of dollars, or even noteworthy amounts of money except the lawyers, This is a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, which means that Nutella was accused of misrepresenting their product to a very large number of people and therefore that very large number of people is entitled to very small damages reflecting that. All anybody won was an amount of money not even in the ballpark of what they paid for the product, because that's basically what this was about: people being entitled to their money back. Which they're not really getting: the settlement is apparently up to I'm not going to say the settlement was right. But it's absurd to suggest that this woman did anything out of greed, because there's no way she, or the other claimants, or anybody except the people on the internet misrepresenting this case would ever make any money worth mentioning. See also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/nutella-lawsuit_n_1457183.html?ref=food EDIT: The real deal: https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Home.aspx Sorry about the errors. I actually don't know how much the lawyers got, and it looks like that whole $3 million number goes to claimants. The basic gist was correct, though - sueing Nutella was not a "get rich quick" scheme for anybody. Great first post that should get more attention. | ||
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ferencziffra
Bulgaria29 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:03 DavidHolmes wrote: Nobody decided in her favor. The complaint was settled, which is to say Nutella and the plaintiffs agreed on Nutella paying the money outside of court. OP says 'she won' which I don't understand as 'settling'. Anyway for all I care she did indeed win if the company had to shell out the big bucks to whoever the fuck they had to. Actually I don't care at all. I don't give a fuck neither about Nutella, nor the stupid woman or her child. You see, the problem with this world is that people pretend to give a fuck. And they don't. Most of the time. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
All around kind of stupid. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:22 Happylime wrote: So hazelnut spreads aren't good for me? That's disappointing. So, question to Red are you sure his body fat was never above 3%, maybe he works out all the time hmm? I expected to have to explain this, so I will. Even without discussing bodybuilders which have quickly been alluded to(it is a solid 'group' of evidence to use though). Your brain is approximately 2% of your body weight, and is comprised of approximately 75% fat. So even if you had literally no fat in the rest of your body, you are already up to 1.5% body fat. Unfortunately for that 3% number, fat is also 100% essential to other life functions, such as having skin that isn't dead, having organs that work, having bone marrow, and creating essential hormones. All totaled, the average person REQUIRES between 3-5% body fat to function. A person can dip below this amount for short periods of time(and will certainly be under distress doing so), but will quickly suffer some very serious effects if they do not feed their body fat. Also, even staying just above the essential level of body fat is dangerous, because your brain may be a 'greedy' brain, and the first function to be reduced from a fat shortage is brain function. All things considered, his statement of 'never above 3%' not only implies that he was at 3%(an extremely unlikely claim for anyone, ever, at any point in their life) but that he was under it, and for an extended period of time. I hope this off topic tangent was informative. The vast majority of people have NO CLUE what their body fat percentage is, and are terrible at guessing it/others visually. Ten percent body fat is really quite lean, and would look very impressive on even a slightly muscled physique at the beach. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
There was no way to tell they werent going to do all the crap they promissed! | ||
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DavidHolmes
United States22 Posts
On April 28 2012 12:29 MassHysteria wrote: Great first post that should get more attention. Thanks for that. I'm embarrassed to say I was wrong, though. After reading the settlement, it looks like she will receive as much as $2000 as an "Incentive Award" out of that settlement fund. Which is still not a large amount of money relative to the amount of work involved in fighting the case, but it's a lot more than $20. The lawyers in her case will also recieve a whopping $3 million which is separate from the $2.5 million nationwide settlement fund. There's also a California state case brought by other plaintiffs which is where the other $0.55 million comes from, and the lawyers in that case will get $0.9 million. The fascinating thing to me is that all the facts and details are there in the court documents (all at the settlement website), but hundreds of people (including me) posted in this thread without reading any of them... | ||
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BoondockVeritas
United States191 Posts
On April 28 2012 08:40 flamewheel wrote: Coffee is hot. Don't stick forks in electrical sockets. Don't jump off building roofs. People are just eh. If you're referencing the woman suing McDonald's because she burned herself with coffee then that's different from this case in OP. The woman in that case had severe second and third degree burns and needed skin graft surgeries. She was only suing for the medical expenses that her insurance company wouldn't cover. McDonald's denied her that and offered only $2-3k. Later she won two days sales of coffee. I know what you're saying about the eh people though | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
I know we all want to hold food producers to the highest standards of integrity and honesty in all aspects of the business, but this is too much!! Isn't there some kind of rule that says that the usual exaggerations in trade or business are not to be considered false or fraudulent? | ||
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EdenPLusDucky
571 Posts
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
its so good T_T at least that means some people get rebates to buy more nutella? I could probably take advantage... On April 28 2012 08:59 mindspike wrote: There's probably a few people on this very forum that could file a claim, there's a webpage for it even: https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Home.aspx It would be funny if some of the people calling this a stupid lawsuit discovered they could get some free money now. Thanks for posting the link | ||
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BoondockVeritas
United States191 Posts
On April 28 2012 13:18 Juliette wrote: why would you want to hurt nutella though its so good T_T at least that means some people get rebates to buy more nutella? I could probably take advantage... Thanks for posting the link Some people just want to watch the world burn.. | ||
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