EPTSeriously. So fucking stupid America. Romney fucking wins because he denies his own economic plan, refuses to commit to any plan on any issue, and outright lies. Fucking retarded.
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rogzardo
610 Posts
Seriously. So fucking stupid America. Romney fucking wins because he denies his own economic plan, refuses to commit to any plan on any issue, and outright lies. Fucking retarded. | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:57 CrazedNight wrote: People claim that he ran on the 5 trillion tax cut, but I cannot find anything on this. https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial&oq=romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial&gs_l=hp.3..33i21.27144.28617.1.28799.11.8.0.0.0.0.561.714.0j1j5-1.2.0.les;epsugrpq1..0.0...1.1.iIp5XCumM0Y&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4c814b5607df3525&biw=1024&bih=609 This is a google search for romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial, I found no link or videos about it. Does anyone have a link to a commercial or something alike that advertises the tax cut? he ran on cutting tax rates, im sure when you ad up the math it comes out to around 5 trillion. Romney has never un on this number but its there in the background | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:57 jdseemoreglass wrote: How is this even an argument? The school will expand like any other business in the country. They will hire new teachers and build more classrooms or open new schools and do what it takes to get the money being offered them. How many businesses do you know that turn away customers because of overcrowding? It took them a year and a half to build a new school for me when I was in high school. Also, if they build a new high school to support more students... then you just delude the good school into becoming an "average" school. Education is not business K-12. Also, most schools dont have room to "expand" and build more classrooms. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:55 TheRabidDeer wrote: Alright, so parents have vouchers and can send kids to any school. What do you do about overpopulation of schools then? Parents will want to send their kids to the "good schools", which means they become hugely crowded. The idea here is that once a school is overpopulated it will either expand or parents will be able to see that and send students to a different school. The real problem I see with vouchers is that it does nothing to remedy bad schools getting worse-just like NCLB. I mean, someone will end up at those schools. If you just let them die off, you see inequalities in property tax rates that just aren't possible to deal with in the current system. Edit: Now that I think about it, there are issues with the successful schools as well. Unless you're going to try to divide local funding from public schools (and have fun with that in most states with their budgets), those that are in the area will pay disproportionately through their taxes. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:57 Silidons wrote: as an american i find it highly hilarious that anyone would base who they vote for on the debates, because you can say whatever you want (read: lie) and it doesn't even matter, because you don't get called out on it on the podium. Lie? People care about vision, about direction, not about whatever number or percentage gets thrown around on stage. It is the principles that people care about, such as greater government or a freer public sector. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:57 jdseemoreglass wrote: How is this even an argument? The school will expand like any other business in the country. They will hire new teachers and build more classrooms or open new schools and do what it takes to get the money being offered them. How many businesses do you know that turn away customers because of overcrowding? So why instead of expanding a school or bulding a new one you study what makes a school good and you realocate some of the ressources to help the poor schools | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
My favourite is the bullshit claim about taking over 700 billion dollars out of Medicare. He calls it gutting the system. They made the system more efficient, and saved that money, they didnt cut the benefits. Then when asked about how the fed can save money, he says he is going to assess every branch of government, and see if it is run efficiently, and if not, make it more efficient to save money. The guy is a walking contradiction, with no plans. He literally did nothing but attack the president. If that is enough substance for someone, you deserve someone like Romney. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:57 CrazedNight wrote: People claim that he ran on the 5 trillion tax cut, but I cannot find anything on this. https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial&oq=romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial&gs_l=hp.3..33i21.27144.28617.1.28799.11.8.0.0.0.0.561.714.0j1j5-1.2.0.les;epsugrpq1..0.0...1.1.iIp5XCumM0Y&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4c814b5607df3525&biw=1024&bih=609 This is a google search for romney 5 trillion tax cut commercial, I found no link or videos about it. Does anyone have a link to a commercial or something alike that advertises the tax cut? Romney proposed and for most of the campaign (until tonight's debate) has run on a tax plan that includes a 20% tax cut to each tax bracket. His tax plan has been calculated by independent analysts to reduce revenue by $5 trillion over the next ten years. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 04 2012 12:01 Greentellon wrote: Everyone seems to say "Romney won the debate". But from what I saw, he was just more aggressive. To me Romney seemed to filp-flop positions again and lie in some cases too. But I guess small things like that don't matter in elections. That's what I felt. Romney was definitely more prepared than Obama though, but I blame that on Obama being a lousy debater. He's just not as good when he doesn't have ammo to fire at Romney, whereas Romney can just insult the administration all day without any reprisals. | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:58 Deathmanbob wrote: he ran on cutting tax rates, im sure when you ad up the math it comes out to around 5 trillion. Romney has never un on this number but its there in the background 20% income tax rate cut across all brackets= $5 trillion over 10 years. Simple as that. http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax First bullet point in his plan. | ||
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rogzardo
610 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Coming into tonight, Romney had two main objectives. He needed to appear presidential and he needed to draw some blood on Obama's record. He succeeded on both counts. What impressed me the most with Romney's performance was his command of the subject matter. He clearly knew his shit. Better yet, it was obvious that Romney was better prepared than Obama. Hell, he even appeared more presidential than Obama. Romney spoke with far more authority and confidence than Obama did. Romney was over-eager with the moderator (in fairness to Romney, the moderator made it hard on Romney), and it would have been nice if he dialed it back a bit. However, I don't think that he came off as being too aggressive in the big scheme of things. Lastly, I don't understand all of these comments about how Romney changed his platform tonight. What he said about his tax plan, Medicare plan, jobs plan, and healthcare plan are all of the same things that he has been saying for months. Obama, in contrast, was timid and comparatively unprepared. He hardly looked at Romney during the debate and spent a lot of time looking down. I think the moment that best encapsulates Obama's lack of preparation was his closing statement. It was not focused. It was not well-presented. It basically seemed to be ad libbed. These are all big no nos. Obama has some work to do between now and the next debate. The significance of this debate is that it is going to stop the September bleeding of the Romney campaign. Romney will get a small bounce out of this and be positioned to push towards the finish line on better footing than he was before tonight. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
That and Obama left that $716 billion Medicare cut out there for seniors to hold against him, and also saying their Social Security plans were basically the same. Seniors don't have much reason to fear Romney based on this debate. Bad for Obama. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
How does "Winning" a debate by arguing prove that you are a good or bad president. I swear it seems like it is all just a reason to get people to vote on things that don't matter at all. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Obama is chilling on 3 base not realizing his bottled in opponent has a hidden expansion. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 04 2012 12:00 NPF wrote: So why instead of expanding a school or bulding a new one you study what makes a school good and you realocate some of the ressources to help the poor schools Because that is rewarding poor management and teaching. The market is based upon destruction, the destruction of poor management and poor performance. If a school is poor at teaching, then it is a good thing that the school dies, and gets replaced by a better once. The concept here is competition, which is what is lacking in public schools and why they are doing such a poor job. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On October 04 2012 11:58 rogzardo wrote: Obama would win if he just stopped describing his policies and started attacking Romney. Also, lying and denying truths would have helped. Seriously. So fucking stupid America. Romney fucking wins because he denies his own economic plan, refuses to commit to any plan on any issue, and outright lies. Fucking retarded. While i think it will hurt obama in the short term, once people get down to the facts and see that romney was just spewing hot air it will take any bump that romany gets from seeing to be the "stronger" debater. Also next debate the moderator to make sure that they both get time to having the closing comment. Maybe cut there mikes or something so romany cant just be like "no i am getting the last word in every single time" | ||
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