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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
October 03 2012 21:01 GMT
#12501
Domestic Policy debate night! Here's to hoping I'm not disgusted by the BS so much that I have to turn it off.

Oh and I hope Romney gets asked about his tax returns. I'm really curious about those still especially after Reid's seemingly unfounded accusations. The GOP could have destroyed him outright but they're still holding those returns back.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
October 03 2012 21:02 GMT
#12502

Conservatives know that Romney was pro-abortion for a long time before he first ran for the presidency in 2007, at which time he "changed his position" because he was now asking for the votes of conservatives. Romney has also supported "gay rights," and as Massachusetts governor, he implemented same-sex marriage by executive fiat.

In 2004, the MA Supreme Court ruled that the state's marriage law was unconstitutional -- but the Court did not rule, contrary to what is claimed, that gay marriage must be legalized and that the state constitution contains a "right" to marry. Yet, as soon as the ruling was issued, Romney commanded state agencies, by executive order, to start issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples.

Romney is stridently liberal on fiscal and economic issues. He did not initially support the Bush tax cuts; he has long opposed (and continues to oppose) the flat tax, calling it "a tax cut for fat cats"; he used fee hikes and "loophole-closing measures" to balance the Massachusetts state budget; and when he found items in it which he deemed wasteful or unneccessary, such as $30 million per year for hotel rooms for homeless people, he spent such sums on something else rather than use them to balance the budget.

Mitt believes that anthropogenic global warming is real and that humanity must act urgently to stop it. In 2005, he even claimed that a cap-and-tax scheme would be "good for business."


Source

Where is this guy? I'd totally vote for him lol.

Makes me wonder what we'd actually get if he won. Not exactly what his brand is currently advertising though, so can't really rely on hopes that he would regain his conscience. I get the feeling he'll say and do anything to win an election. Has the Dark Side completely taken him, or is there still good in there somewhere? :D
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 21:17:30
October 03 2012 21:15 GMT
#12503
On October 04 2012 06:02 screamingpalm wrote:
Show nested quote +

Conservatives know that Romney was pro-abortion for a long time before he first ran for the presidency in 2007, at which time he "changed his position" because he was now asking for the votes of conservatives. Romney has also supported "gay rights," and as Massachusetts governor, he implemented same-sex marriage by executive fiat.

In 2004, the MA Supreme Court ruled that the state's marriage law was unconstitutional -- but the Court did not rule, contrary to what is claimed, that gay marriage must be legalized and that the state constitution contains a "right" to marry. Yet, as soon as the ruling was issued, Romney commanded state agencies, by executive order, to start issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples.

Romney is stridently liberal on fiscal and economic issues. He did not initially support the Bush tax cuts; he has long opposed (and continues to oppose) the flat tax, calling it "a tax cut for fat cats"; he used fee hikes and "loophole-closing measures" to balance the Massachusetts state budget; and when he found items in it which he deemed wasteful or unneccessary, such as $30 million per year for hotel rooms for homeless people, he spent such sums on something else rather than use them to balance the budget.

Mitt believes that anthropogenic global warming is real and that humanity must act urgently to stop it. In 2005, he even claimed that a cap-and-tax scheme would be "good for business."


Source

Where is this guy? I'd totally vote for him lol.

Makes me wonder what we'd actually get if he won. Not exactly what his brand is currently advertising though, so can't really rely on hopes that he would regain his conscience. I get the feeling he'll say and do anything to win an election. Has the Dark Side completely taken him, or is there still good in there somewhere? :D


"I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. For me, as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. You know, God's in the mix."
Aug. 18, 2008 Barack Obama

Source 1: http://2012election.procon.org/view.answers.election.php?questionID=1727

"America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit."

-- Sen. Barack Obama, March 16, 2006

Source 2: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/29/barack-obama/obama-regrets-2006-vote-against-raising-debt-limit/



Alot of Presidents and candidates change their minds, flip flopping happens alot. Sometimes people get a change of heart but most of the time it is political.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 21:28:48
October 03 2012 21:22 GMT
#12504
Political debates are like stock car races. People don't tune in to see who wins, they tune in to see a wreck.

Edit: That sounds like a good signature line. Very topical.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 03 2012 21:23 GMT
#12505
On October 04 2012 06:22 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Political debates are like stock car races. People don't tune in to see who wins, they tune in to see a wreck.


I want to hear both of their plans for our country, but I'd be lying if I said I don't want to see one of them to fall on their face
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
October 03 2012 21:30 GMT
#12506
On October 04 2012 06:22 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Political debates are like stock car races. People don't tune in to see who wins, they tune in to see a wreck.

Edit: That sounds like a good signature line. Very topical.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 03 2012 21:43 GMT
#12507
Last post before the debates, I swear.

From David Frum:

"Why is the Obama recovery so weak?"

"Why is the Obama recovery so weak?"

That's what you say. That's your message. You stick to it. And whenever some freelancer on Fox News wants instead to discuss "why is Obama so black?" you put a sock in their mouth.


farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
October 03 2012 21:46 GMT
#12508
On October 04 2012 06:43 Defacer wrote:
Last post before the debates, I swear.

From David Frum:

That's what you say. That's your message. You stick to it. And whenever some freelancer on Fox News wants instead to discuss "why is Obama so black?" you put a sock in their mouth.


And a white hood over their head...........sorry I couldn't help myself
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 22:20:22
October 03 2012 22:11 GMT
#12509
On October 04 2012 06:02 screamingpalm wrote:
Show nested quote +

Conservatives know that Romney was pro-abortion for a long time before he first ran for the presidency in 2007, at which time he "changed his position" because he was now asking for the votes of conservatives. Romney has also supported "gay rights," and as Massachusetts governor, he implemented same-sex marriage by executive fiat.

In 2004, the MA Supreme Court ruled that the state's marriage law was unconstitutional -- but the Court did not rule, contrary to what is claimed, that gay marriage must be legalized and that the state constitution contains a "right" to marry. Yet, as soon as the ruling was issued, Romney commanded state agencies, by executive order, to start issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples.

Romney is stridently liberal on fiscal and economic issues. He did not initially support the Bush tax cuts; he has long opposed (and continues to oppose) the flat tax, calling it "a tax cut for fat cats"; he used fee hikes and "loophole-closing measures" to balance the Massachusetts state budget; and when he found items in it which he deemed wasteful or unneccessary, such as $30 million per year for hotel rooms for homeless people, he spent such sums on something else rather than use them to balance the budget.

Mitt believes that anthropogenic global warming is real and that humanity must act urgently to stop it. In 2005, he even claimed that a cap-and-tax scheme would be "good for business."


Source

Where is this guy? I'd totally vote for him lol.

Makes me wonder what we'd actually get if he won. Not exactly what his brand is currently advertising though, so can't really rely on hopes that he would regain his conscience. I get the feeling he'll say and do anything to win an election. Has the Dark Side completely taken him, or is there still good in there somewhere? :D


I think a big difference is MA politics vs. national politics. In MA Republicans have more of a libertarian bent since being a social conservative is a go nowhere proposition.

Romney seems to have changed his position on a lot of national issues since running for president. On one hand that's flip-flopish but on the other hand its appropriate since he'll be representing a different constituency.

Edit: If Romney loses this election my 'it's never going to happen hope' is that Republicans put up a candidate that's like our old Governor Weld next time.
Trumpstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden114 Posts
October 03 2012 22:14 GMT
#12510
Anyone know where u can watch the debates live tonight? I can't find it and also the debates start in 1 hour and 45min right?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 03 2012 22:16 GMT
#12511
I don't think that the video is going to change anyone's mind about anything. Everyone knows Obama (and the rest of the democrats for that matter) is a race-baiter. They either already cared or they already didn't care.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 22:19:27
October 03 2012 22:19 GMT
#12512
On October 04 2012 07:14 Trumpstyle wrote:
Anyone know where u can watch the debates live tonight? I can't find it and also the debates start in 1 hour and 45min right?


I saw a YouTube ad on something I was watching earlier today saying that you'd be able to get live coverage through their streaming services from various news outlets. Also, I don't know if it's limited in access but cspan.org I'm sure will be streaming it.

It starts at 9 PM Eastern which is approx 2 hours 40 minutes from now.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 03 2012 22:23 GMT
#12513
On October 04 2012 07:19 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 07:14 Trumpstyle wrote:
Anyone know where u can watch the debates live tonight? I can't find it and also the debates start in 1 hour and 45min right?


I saw a YouTube ad on something I was watching earlier today saying that you'd be able to get live coverage through their streaming services from various news outlets. Also, I don't know if it's limited in access but cspan.org I'm sure will be streaming it.

It starts at 9 PM Eastern which is approx 2 hours 40 minutes from now.

Yeah CSPAN should work.

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

Huntsman is on it right now (still wish he was the Rep candidate...)
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 22:34:08
October 03 2012 22:28 GMT
#12514
On October 04 2012 07:23 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 07:19 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 07:14 Trumpstyle wrote:
Anyone know where u can watch the debates live tonight? I can't find it and also the debates start in 1 hour and 45min right?


I saw a YouTube ad on something I was watching earlier today saying that you'd be able to get live coverage through their streaming services from various news outlets. Also, I don't know if it's limited in access but cspan.org I'm sure will be streaming it.

It starts at 9 PM Eastern which is approx 2 hours 40 minutes from now.

Yeah CSPAN should work.

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

Huntsman is on it right now (still wish he was the Rep candidate...)


I haven't decided where to watch yet. I know Politico goes on the air at 8 PM. Breitbart TV is doing live pre/post coverage from the "Spin Room" which is fairly entertaining.

Ustream has links on the front page including PBS.
YouTube's streaming page that apparently will have ABC and WSJ.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 22:34:55
October 03 2012 22:34 GMT
#12515
Okay guys tonight is very important for a cause we all believe in

[image loading]

drinking ourselves silly

I'm doing this with water, y'all adults can drink irresponsibly
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blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway474 Posts
October 03 2012 22:35 GMT
#12516
You can stream the whole thing of youtube, with your own choice of commentary

http://www.youtube.com/user/politics/elections2012
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 03 2012 22:39 GMT
#12517
On October 04 2012 07:35 blomsterjohn wrote:
You can stream the whole thing of youtube, with your own choice of commentary

http://www.youtube.com/user/politics/elections2012


You couldn't pay me to watch Buzzfeed's commentary, but I may go with Al Jazeera as they're actually my go to for world news.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:10:29
October 03 2012 23:01 GMT
#12518
Muhaha Pizza and popcorn incoming for the debates... Watching on CNN. I want to see xDaunt come back for tonight haven't seen him in a while

edit: xDaunt is at the middle of the page but he hadn't posted for so long
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 03 2012 23:07 GMT
#12519
We should have two people from this thread cast the debate. Leporello vs. xDaunt or something. It would be hilarious.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:11:32
October 03 2012 23:07 GMT
#12520
On October 04 2012 08:01 NPF wrote:
Muhaha Pizza and popcorn incoming for the debates... Watching on CNN. I want to see xDaunt come back for tonight haven't seen him in a while

edit: Top of the page but he hadn't posted for so long


edit: can't read.
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