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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
madsweepslol
Profile Joined February 2010
161 Posts
September 21 2012 23:14 GMT
#11321
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.

One person says - we're all in this together.
One person says - winner take all.

FTFY
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 21 2012 23:19 GMT
#11322
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.
Darknat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
September 21 2012 23:20 GMT
#11323
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 21 2012 23:31 GMT
#11324
I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I refuse to vote for Obama because of the war in Afghanistan. Obama has the power to pull us out whenever he chooses, but instead he's throwing away innocent lives to look better for the reelection.

Here are some facts about Gary Johnson:


He wants to pull out of Afghanistan IMMEDIATELY.

He wants to end all corporate subsidies.

He wants to stop the federal reserve from continuing to devalue the US dollar.

He was the governor of New Mexico for 8 years and both balanced the budget while increasing education spending by almost 33%.

He wants to repeal ridiculous regulations like the federal law that states 40% of all corn produced in the US MUST go to ethanol production
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:33 GMT
#11325
On September 22 2012 08:08 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


I'm poor and broke, but I'm still not going to vote for somebody for "free stuff" I'm going to vote for the person that isn't going to completely destroy our economy so my kids aren't going to have to pay 10$ for a gallon of milk or loaf of bread.


Your the exception to the rule, not the standard. Props to you though for being smart.
We Live to Die
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
September 21 2012 23:34 GMT
#11326
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.

Romney has to do better than that. And so does Obama. I don't want a president who just hopes things will get better.

But the critique of Obama is strange. Do you think he has bad ideas or bad execution?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
September 21 2012 23:34 GMT
#11327
On September 22 2012 08:20 Darknat wrote:
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.

Correction: You think you need the government out of your life. Along with a number of a other people who live in the fantastic world of singular action and individualistic absolutism. Others, however, have had corporate layoffs, the prejudice of both individuals and institutions, the misfortune of a terrible sickness or injury, or the infelicity of a broken home laugh at their chances to make it in this world. But wait. This grand thing called society, that which we are all a part of no matter how much one would like to pretend otherwise, empowers collective ability to the point at which we can now help others without any added cost. The examples of this principle in action are found all over the world, we need only look around.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:36 GMT
#11328
On September 22 2012 08:14 madsweepslol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.

One person says - we're all in this together.
One person says - winner take all.

FTFY



That's so bias and inaccurate.
Both parties teach/preach unity.

Dems: We want everybody, unless your a redneck or a southerner
Reps: We want everybody unless your gay/lez/anti-religion

No one says winner takes on all the GOP side.
No one says we are in this alone on the GOP side
We Live to Die
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:38 GMT
#11329
On September 22 2012 08:34 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:20 Darknat wrote:
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.

Correction: You think you need the government out of your life. Along with a number of a other people who live in the fantastic world of singular action and individualistic absolutism. Others, however, have had corporate layoffs, the prejudice of both individuals and institutions, the misfortune of a terrible sickness or injury, or the infelicity of a broken home laugh at their chances to make it in this world. But wait. This grand thing called society, that which we are all a part of no matter how much one would like to pretend otherwise, empowers collective ability to the point at which we can now help others without any added cost. The examples of this principle in action are found all over the world, we need only look around.



no added cost....

the reason we want less government is cause it Does have cost, a high cost
We Live to Die
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:40 GMT
#11330
On September 22 2012 08:34 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.

Romney has to do better than that. And so does Obama. I don't want a president who just hopes things will get better.

But the critique of Obama is strange. Do you think he has bad ideas or bad execution?


Both.
Idea: Raise taxes during a recession
Execution: Largest tax raise in American history
Additional: He promised not to raise taxes on Americans making mroe than 250K.... he lied
We Live to Die
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 21 2012 23:40 GMT
#11331
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.


Obama's said he'd endorse Simpson-Bowles. But, oh wait, Ryan rejected it. He has plans, he just can't get them through because of Republicans.
Writer
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 23:42:10
September 21 2012 23:41 GMT
#11332
On September 22 2012 08:38 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:34 farvacola wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:20 Darknat wrote:
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.

Correction: You think you need the government out of your life. Along with a number of a other people who live in the fantastic world of singular action and individualistic absolutism. Others, however, have had corporate layoffs, the prejudice of both individuals and institutions, the misfortune of a terrible sickness or injury, or the infelicity of a broken home laugh at their chances to make it in this world. But wait. This grand thing called society, that which we are all a part of no matter how much one would like to pretend otherwise, empowers collective ability to the point at which we can now help others without any added cost. The examples of this principle in action are found all over the world, we need only look around.



no added cost....

the reason we want less government is cause it Does have cost, a high cost

You'd think otherwise had misfortune smile upon you as it does others.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 21 2012 23:43 GMT
#11333
On September 22 2012 08:40 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.


Obama's said he'd endorse Simpson-Bowles. But, oh wait, Ryan rejected it. He has plans, he just can't get them through because of Republicans.


Good but ineffective is still ineffective.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:43 GMT
#11334
On September 22 2012 08:40 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.


Obama's said he'd endorse Simpson-Bowles. But, oh wait, Ryan rejected it. He has plans, he just can't get them through because of Republicans.


False.

Obama in 2008 a Liberal/Dem
Congress 2008-2010 Liberal/Dem majoirty in BOTH houses

After America saw what his 'Change we can believe in' was all about we fired all his supporters in the Senate and House and now Gop owns 1 of 2 houses of Congress.

Fact Obama+1/2 Congress > 1 GOP house

His own party stopped his insanity and reckless spending.

10,000 page law that no one even read.....

PS: I do not support Fox News
We Live to Die
madsweepslol
Profile Joined February 2010
161 Posts
September 21 2012 23:43 GMT
#11335
On September 22 2012 08:36 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:14 madsweepslol wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.

One person says - we're all in this together.
One person says - winner take all.

FTFY



That's so bias and inaccurate.
Both parties teach/preach unity.

Dems: We want everybody, unless your a redneck or a southerner
Reps: We want everybody unless your gay/lez/anti-religion

No one says winner takes on all the GOP side.
No one says we are in this alone on the GOP side

You write 'one person says - vote for me and I will give you "free stuff" ' and then have the gall to complain about bias. Amazing.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:45 GMT
#11336
On September 22 2012 08:41 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:38 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:34 farvacola wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:20 Darknat wrote:
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.

Correction: You think you need the government out of your life. Along with a number of a other people who live in the fantastic world of singular action and individualistic absolutism. Others, however, have had corporate layoffs, the prejudice of both individuals and institutions, the misfortune of a terrible sickness or injury, or the infelicity of a broken home laugh at their chances to make it in this world. But wait. This grand thing called society, that which we are all a part of no matter how much one would like to pretend otherwise, empowers collective ability to the point at which we can now help others without any added cost. The examples of this principle in action are found all over the world, we need only look around.



no added cost....

the reason we want less government is cause it Does have cost, a high cost

You'd think otherwise had misfortune smile upon you as it does others.


Hand Ups....
not Hand Outs

You get sick you need a Hand Up.
You get laid off, you need a Hand Up.

Teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.
Give a man a fish, he asks you tomorrow for another fish.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 21 2012 23:45 GMT
#11337
On September 22 2012 08:38 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:34 farvacola wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:20 Darknat wrote:
We need the government out of our lives. Self-determination instead of government hand-outs.

Correction: You think you need the government out of your life. Along with a number of a other people who live in the fantastic world of singular action and individualistic absolutism. Others, however, have had corporate layoffs, the prejudice of both individuals and institutions, the misfortune of a terrible sickness or injury, or the infelicity of a broken home laugh at their chances to make it in this world. But wait. This grand thing called society, that which we are all a part of no matter how much one would like to pretend otherwise, empowers collective ability to the point at which we can now help others without any added cost. The examples of this principle in action are found all over the world, we need only look around.



no added cost....

the reason we want less government is cause it Does have cost, a high cost


You know what else has a high cost? 15% of people in poverty, over 2,000,000 people in prisons, and 50,000,000 uninsured people draining hospital resources when they can't afford to pay their hospital fees.

But, of course, if government stays out of the way, suddenly our problems will all disappear. I guess it's a possibility if everyone just dies.
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rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 23:47:59
September 21 2012 23:46 GMT
#11338
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/romneys-budget-would-require-a-40-cut-to-everything-but-medicare-social-security-and-defense/

Romney's plan will actually cut funding for schools, "Reseach Facalities", and essentially everything else. You're right about defense though.

Wait: Aren't you the guy who complained because Obamacare was going to charge you $675 a month?

Lol, and has posted the same fox news video 3x now?
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
September 21 2012 23:46 GMT
#11339
On September 22 2012 08:43 madsweepslol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:36 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:14 madsweepslol wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.

One person says - we're all in this together.
One person says - winner take all.

FTFY



That's so bias and inaccurate.
Both parties teach/preach unity.

Dems: We want everybody, unless your a redneck or a southerner
Reps: We want everybody unless your gay/lez/anti-religion

No one says winner takes on all the GOP side.
No one says we are in this alone on the GOP side

You write 'one person says - vote for me and I will give you "free stuff" ' and then have the gall to complain about bias. Amazing.


Obama money:

PS: Agian please excuse the Fox News link- it was simply the 1st video posted based off my google search.
We Live to Die
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 21 2012 23:47 GMT
#11340
On September 22 2012 08:43 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:40 Souma wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:05 SayGen wrote:
On September 22 2012 07:58 kmillz wrote:
Romney releases 2011 tax return, paid IRS 14.1%
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html
Here is an interesting follow up on what matters in Romney's Tax Memo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/matters-romneys-tax-memo-183705524.html

In other news, Gallup showing 47%-47% in their poll and Rasmussen showing 46% Obama and 45% Romney, with "leaners" factored in it comes to 49% Obama to 46% Romney.

Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

It's looking closer and closer the more we get to voting day!


Obama will win.

Let's be realistic here. As fun as this whole conversion/disscussion is.

Most Americans arn't smart. Hate to say that but we arn't.

One person says- vote for me and I will Give you 'free stuff'
One person says- I will do my best to fix the economy and give you the shot at getting a job.


Who wins?

Take the names and ideology away and it comes down to
"What's best for me"

People don't care about
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
People don't care if our schools, Reseach Facalities, Military are all in decline.


Challenge to Conservatives: How do you believe Romney is going to fix the economy?

Humor me. I'm one of those guys that still doesn't understand how Romney's plan balances the budget. If anything, I think he will drive America into a deep recession.

EZ. His plan is incomplete - the normal for a presidential candidate. Once elected he'll iron out the details. He knows how the economy works, he did a fine job in his business career and a fine job as governor. I see no reason why that wouldn't continue as President.

On the other hand Obama has no real plan - just reintroduce bills that have already been voted down.


Obama's said he'd endorse Simpson-Bowles. But, oh wait, Ryan rejected it. He has plans, he just can't get them through because of Republicans.


False.

Obama in 2008 a Liberal/Dem
Congress 2008-2010 Liberal/Dem majoirty in BOTH houses

After America saw what his 'Change we can believe in' was all about we fired all his supporters in the Senate and House and now Gop owns 1 of 2 houses of Congress.

Fact Obama+1/2 Congress > 1 GOP house

His own party stopped his insanity and reckless spending.

10,000 page law that no one even read.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
PS: I do not support Fox News


You have no idea how American government works LOL. I'm not patient enough to teach you. From henceforth I dub thee NonCorporeal #2 and shall ignore what you say.
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