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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
It's illogical and dimwitted to vote for a man who will soar the world currency and America's economy into a whirlpool of economic hell. If you think this past depression has been bad, think again. Romney is far from being someone who can fix this mess we are in, but he is sure more capable than our current president. I knew Keynesian's were not very bright, but this is just appalling. Also inb4 foreigners are tainting the polls. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:42 Cassel_Castle wrote: Any guesses for VP? I'd say that we will see Marco Rubio (appeal to hispanics and Florida) or Rob Portman. (appeal to midwesterners who think Romney's out of touch) Chris Christie seems unlikely to me, there's not much of a chance NJ goes red and he's charismatic but too much of a Romney guy from the start, I think the Rubio/Portman strategy of playing hard to get and then jumping in with a "party unity" line later is better considering people are cautious about Mitt. Rubio has already said at least three times that he doesn't want to be VP. Now, obviously he could still change his mind, but for someone to state this so emphatically makes me feel like he really doesn't want to be VP. Makes sense to me, he's better positioned for 2016 as an outsider I feel, and if he feels Romney is a losing bet (or not as good as 2016 would be) then there's no reason for him to tag along. I think Bob McDonnell, the Governor of Virginia might be a better pick. He's safe, which will appeal to conservative strategists still shell shocked by Sarah Palin, and he's got conservative bona-fides. Even better, he's from a southern-y swing state, which would help shore up Romney's main geographic weakness. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:41 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: The claim that Obama has done "jack shit" is just an oft repeated political sound bite that is factually incorrect. http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
Also, I and I assume most Americans don't really give a shit about the social issues. The deficit is an important issue to me and I don't think Obama has any plans to deal with that or cut/reform anything entitlement related. Also the people who use "crazy" to describe each and every political candidate the disagree with are idiots. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
romney = evil we fucked either way... cant believe how much TL doesnt know about these candidates | ||
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A Wet Shamwow
United States1590 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote: Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. Vetoing NDAA would have done nothing, there was too much support and the veto would have been overridden. Instead Obama wrote that he disagreed with parts of the law. That being said it is still a travesty that due process is gone in this country. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote: Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. If you ever focus on the specifics of an effective political career then you get an incomplete picture. People act like every individual legislative element is passed individually and thus votes reflect directly on the politician. The reality is that every good idea is wrapped up in a million other interests and ideas. Congressmen will gladly package public transit allocations into a bill to provide troop armor. Vote yes and they get what they want. Vote no and they are trying to kill our troops. Every politicians with aspirations beyond hopeless idealism has had to work with these compromises. This includes Obama and Romney. | ||
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Black and Proud
49 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:36 ElMeanYo wrote: Romney would be wise to support Paul for VP. I bet he would get alot of extra votes from that. God I hate the delusions of the Paul crowd. I wish there was some way you could place bets on it just so I can see you lose a fuckload of money, but for the fact that Romney would never be idiotic enough to choose Paul as his running mate. Supporting Paul for VP - win some internet votes (and given the outcome of the states Paul thought he would win in the primaries, these people won't even turn up to vote despite all the hype). Lose every other vote. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote: Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. It displays the source for every claim made on the website. Your criticisms are claims that all lack any justification. If you're going to challenge facts, then common sense demands that you present facts. | ||
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:09 Tektos wrote: I don't care who wins, so long as it isn't Romney. Well put. Your wisdom is infinite as you have displayed with your many paragraphs of wisdom. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:21 smarty pants wrote: Well put. Your wisdom is infinite as you have displayed with your many paragraphs of wisdom. Your sarcasm is pathetic and unnecessary. I was simply stating my opinion because the poll didn't have an option which conforms with the opinion I hold. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:25 Tektos wrote: Your sarcasm is pathetic and unnecessary. I was simply stating my opinion because the poll didn't have an option which conforms with the opinion I hold. And why don't you want to see Romney win at all? | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:26 deth2munkies wrote: Obama's spent too much political capital moving his stuff through to actually stand a chance in the election, but I'm not a fan of Romney at all. I'll either vote for random candidate X (Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, whatever) or not at all, which is equally as good at this point. How did you come to this opinion? I dont know how anybody who has even given polling data a cursory glance could believe Obama has no chance. As far as I know Obama is about as far ahead in the race as it is possible to be at this point. | ||
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:31 Velocirapture wrote: How did you come to this opinion? I dont know how anybody who has even given polling data a cursory glance could believe Obama has no chance. As far as I know Obama is about as far ahead in the race as it is possible to be at this point. wat? http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h5KvYHHNZw0_EyQViC7WFtZx5VMw?docId=03024f33ec95410d9bf12f2a78b78ec5 | ||
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Sizzln B1zzle
United States34 Posts
2. Obama is selling very important military secrets to the Chinese in hopes of gaining some unobtainable positive relationship with their terrifying government. 3. If Obama is reelected the US WILL be taken advantage of because people are envious and that's that. 4. Romney is a fuckup that will get Obama reelected 5. I will not pick between two evils hoping one will fuckup less, therefore I will not vote. 6. I grew up with lawyers, republicans, I live in Texas, and my whole family is in the military. 7. If you think trimming our military is a good answer to todays demands then you sir are a fucking moron. Nkorea launching test nukes in our face (Satellite launch/Nuke Test at the same time...both failed), Chinese govenment gaining ground in technology and monetary gain with no Democracy in sight, very rich and powerful middle eastern militias fueled by hate powering up with loose nukes let go by the soviet union and stolen from various countries, Stuxnet Virus, ...ya lets be fucking diplomatic. Rant rant, run on sentences, terrible grammar, and a lot of wrinkles in my brain...my apologies. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:31 Velocirapture wrote: How did you come to this opinion? I dont know how anybody who has even given polling data a cursory glance could believe Obama has no chance. As far as I know Obama is about as far ahead in the race as it is possible to be at this point. Polling data at this juncture doesn't mean shit. He's equal or behind depending on which data you look at, it's all within margin of error anyway. The problem is that he shot himself in both feet and kneecaps passing a shitty healthcare bill and lost the midterms by a landslide. Since then, he and Congress have not done anything relevant largely due to partisan politics. The American people all have their issues and Obama hasn't solved any of them in 4 years, we don't have that much patience with anyone. | ||
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LambtrOn
United States671 Posts
On April 20 2012 12:38 Sizzln B1zzle wrote: 1. Obama is the biggest moron in our presidency Bush>Obama 2. Obama is selling very important military secrets to the Chinese in hopes of gaining some unobtainable positive relationship with their terrifying government. 3. If Obama is reelected the US WILL be taken advantage of because people are envious and that's that. 4. Romney is a fuckup that will get Obama reelected 5. I will not pick between two evils hoping one will fuckup less, therefore I will not vote. 6. I grew up with lawyers, republicans, I live in Texas, and my whole family is in the military. 7. If you think trimming our military is a good answer to todays demands then you sir are a fucking moron. Nkorea launching test nukes in our face (Satellite launch/Nuke Test at the same time...both failed), Chinese govenment gaining ground in technology and monetary gain with no Democracy in sight, very rich and powerful middle eastern militias fueled by hate powering up with loose nukes let go by the soviet union and stolen from various countries, Stuxnet Virus, ...ya lets be fucking diplomatic. Rant rant, run on sentences, terrible grammar, and a lot of wrinkles in my brain...my apologies. Surely you have sources to back up these claims? | ||
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Sizzln B1zzle
United States34 Posts
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