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On April 20 2012 12:38 Sizzln B1zzle wrote:
1. Obama is the biggest moron in our presidency Bush>Obama
2. Obama is selling very important military secrets to the Chinese in hopes of gaining some unobtainable positive relationship with their terrifying government.
3. If Obama is reelected the US WILL be taken advantage of because people are envious and that's that.
4. Romney is a fuckup that will get Obama reelected
5. I will not pick between two evils hoping one will fuckup less, therefore I will not vote.
6. I grew up with lawyers, republicans, I live in Texas, and my whole family is in the military.
7. If you think trimming our military is a good answer to todays demands then you sir are a fucking moron. Nkorea launching test nukes in our face (Satellite launch/Nuke Test at the same time...both failed), Chinese govenment gaining ground in technology and monetary gain with no Democracy in sight, very rich and powerful middle eastern militias fueled by hate powering up with loose nukes let go by the soviet union and stolen from various countries, Stuxnet Virus, ...ya lets be fucking diplomatic.
Rant rant, run on sentences, terrible grammar, and a lot of wrinkles in my brain...my apologies.
I think you have more than brain wrinkles to worry about there.
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On April 20 2012 12:44 LambtrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 12:38 Sizzln B1zzle wrote:
1. Obama is the biggest moron in our presidency Bush>Obama
2. Obama is selling very important military secrets to the Chinese in hopes of gaining some unobtainable positive relationship with their terrifying government.
3. If Obama is reelected the US WILL be taken advantage of because people are envious and that's that.
4. Romney is a fuckup that will get Obama reelected
5. I will not pick between two evils hoping one will fuckup less, therefore I will not vote.
6. I grew up with lawyers, republicans, I live in Texas, and my whole family is in the military.
7. If you think trimming our military is a good answer to todays demands then you sir are a fucking moron. Nkorea launching test nukes in our face (Satellite launch/Nuke Test at the same time...both failed), Chinese govenment gaining ground in technology and monetary gain with no Democracy in sight, very rich and powerful middle eastern militias fueled by hate powering up with loose nukes let go by the soviet union and stolen from various countries, Stuxnet Virus, ...ya lets be fucking diplomatic.
Rant rant, run on sentences, terrible grammar, and a lot of wrinkles in my brain...my apologies. Surely you have sources to back up these claims?
Maybe you should take a look at current events and past affairs. I'm not going to sit here and post links to shit that is all over the news..just means you live in a cave and I don't. Darwin.
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On April 20 2012 12:47 Sizzln B1zzle wrote:
When people vote for Obama they should get a free video from Michael Moore explaining how they should join hand in his faggotry.
So I'm assuming that this is your source that the poster above you asked you to show, it really shows your character. Come on dude.
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On April 20 2012 12:35 smarty pants wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 12:31 Velocirapture wrote:On April 20 2012 12:26 deth2munkies wrote:
Obama's spent too much political capital moving his stuff through to actually stand a chance in the election, but I'm not a fan of Romney at all. I'll either vote for random candidate X (Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, whatever) or not at all, which is equally as good at this point. How did you come to this opinion? I dont know how anybody who has even given polling data a cursory glance could believe Obama has no chance. As far as I know Obama is about as far ahead in the race as it is possible to be at this point. wat? http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h5KvYHHNZw0_EyQViC7WFtZx5VMw?docId=03024f33ec95410d9bf12f2a78b78ec5
Ugh so much confirmation bias. Never use one source to make such an important decision and if you do at least use a source that at least makes some attempt to give the useful data.
Sample
Even more important that numbers though is listening to a variety of educated people talk at length about their take and how they got there. You should be immediately wary of any source that focuses on individual partisan talking points when trying to put your finger on the political pulse of America.
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There needs to be an option for Jill Stein imo.
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On April 20 2012 12:51 Velocirapture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 12:35 smarty pants wrote:On April 20 2012 12:31 Velocirapture wrote:On April 20 2012 12:26 deth2munkies wrote:
Obama's spent too much political capital moving his stuff through to actually stand a chance in the election, but I'm not a fan of Romney at all. I'll either vote for random candidate X (Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, whatever) or not at all, which is equally as good at this point. How did you come to this opinion? I dont know how anybody who has even given polling data a cursory glance could believe Obama has no chance. As far as I know Obama is about as far ahead in the race as it is possible to be at this point. wat? The http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h5KvYHHNZw0_EyQViC7WFtZx5VMw?docId=03024f33ec95410d9bf12f2a78b78ec5 Ugh so much confirmation bias. Never use one source to make such an important decision and if you do at least use a source that at least makes some attempt to give the useful data. SampleEven more important that numbers though is listening to a variety of educated people talk at length about their take and how they got there. You should be immediately wary of any source that focuses on individual partisan talking points when trying to put your finger on the political pulse of America.
Wait, because I quickly fetch an unbiased article that I had glanced at earlier easier that is credible makes my link invalid? Way to arbitrarily attack a reasonable article.
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On April 20 2012 12:05 Black and Proud wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 11:36 ElMeanYo wrote:On April 20 2012 11:07 Alex1Sun wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. I would prefer Ron Paul if I could vote for him. But Obama is far lesser evil for this planet than Romney. Romney would be wise to support Paul for VP. I bet he would get alot of extra votes from that. God I hate the delusions of the Paul crowd. I wish there was some way you could place bets on it just so I can see you lose a fuckload of money, but for the fact that Romney would never be idiotic enough to choose Paul as his running mate. Supporting Paul for VP - win some internet votes (and given the outcome of the states Paul thought he would win in the primaries, these people won't even turn up to vote despite all the hype). Lose every other vote.
I like Paul, but I know he'll never get the VP slot.
If the ticket was Romney-Paul, and they did manage to beat Obama, I'd be seriously concerned for Romney's life. There are a lot of freaking insane people in the Ron Paul fanbase that would be willing to kill the President if Ron Paul was next in line as VP.
Edit: And on another note, my preferred VP pick would probably be Paul Ryan or Jon Huntsman, which I doubt either will happen.
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On April 20 2012 12:49 Sizzln B1zzle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 12:44 LambtrOn wrote:On April 20 2012 12:38 Sizzln B1zzle wrote:
1. Obama is the biggest moron in our presidency Bush>Obama
2. Obama is selling very important military secrets to the Chinese in hopes of gaining some unobtainable positive relationship with their terrifying government.
3. If Obama is reelected the US WILL be taken advantage of because people are envious and that's that.
4. Romney is a fuckup that will get Obama reelected
5. I will not pick between two evils hoping one will fuckup less, therefore I will not vote.
6. I grew up with lawyers, republicans, I live in Texas, and my whole family is in the military.
7. If you think trimming our military is a good answer to todays demands then you sir are a fucking moron. Nkorea launching test nukes in our face (Satellite launch/Nuke Test at the same time...both failed), Chinese govenment gaining ground in technology and monetary gain with no Democracy in sight, very rich and powerful middle eastern militias fueled by hate powering up with loose nukes let go by the soviet union and stolen from various countries, Stuxnet Virus, ...ya lets be fucking diplomatic.
Rant rant, run on sentences, terrible grammar, and a lot of wrinkles in my brain...my apologies. Surely you have sources to back up these claims? Maybe you should take a look at current events and past affairs. I'm not going to sit here and post links to shit that is all over the news..just means you live in a cave and I don't. Darwin.
Bush had a chance too stop North Korea from getting Nukes. If he's a better president than Obama. Why didn't he take the necessary steps too do so? The guy that lead us into Iraq for no reason AT ALL, which will go down as the 2nd Vietnam is not better than Obama. The patriot Act, 2 wars = 4 trillion dollars, the bush tax cuts (pandering too the rich to create jobs with nothing to pay for the tax cuts) Sorry that you don't realize that Bush was a bigger part of why America is failing. The whole North Korea thing was before the Iraq war btw. WE KNEW for a fact that they were developing nuclear weapons. Yet, we went to Iraq because we thought they were making weapons of mass destruction. Such a brilliant president.
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On April 20 2012 12:19 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote:On April 20 2012 11:41 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 10:21 docvoc wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Directed at your comment: He is very nice to the rest of the world he emulates the normal style of more socialist or psuedo-socialist governments popular in europe, however, he had a democratic super majority in the beginning of his term in office because everyone was angry at the republicans. He proceeded to do absolutely jack shit and attempted to pass a health care bill that was too costly for our government right now, and too much for our economy to handle, he shoved it down the throats of all the democrats and if they didn't vote, they were called racist. Sounds totally legit, IKR. The fact is that until you live here, you don't understand why our politics are as weird as they are. You are in Ireland, or so your moniker states, its fine that you don't know the intimate details of the literal amount of 0 change he brought, but at the same time, to be so forward about who we as a nation should vote for is a bit out of tune with reality. Directed at the original idea: The president doesn't matter much after appointing the supreme court judges, because he is now mostly a figure head since modern politics have placed a lot of power in the legislative body even after George Bush created the pocket veto. What matters is congress, and this largely republican congress was elected because the democrats had the worst popularity EVER, seriously it was at 13% at one point. People inside and outside of the U.S. are quick to forget how little got done and how much was spent during that time. Granted some say Obama pulled us out of a coming depression, but afterward many economists stepped forward and said that they had said before that the recession was just that, and the fear mongering was popularized by the liberal media and conservative media for no reason other than views. Basically its all about congress and the senate once you understand american politics, The claim that Obama has done "jack shit" is just an oft repeated political sound bite that is factually incorrect. http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. It displays the source for every claim made on the website. Your criticisms are claims that all lack any justification. If you're going to challenge facts, then common sense demands that you present facts.
Lack justification? Sorry, I often take things for granted that I think is common knowledge, or obvious. Most of those subjects have been debated on TL at length (understatement).
Elizabeth Warren was kicked to the curb for Richard Cordray to head the CPA that SHE CREATED. Mr Cordray is in the pocket of Wall Street. Of all of Obama's disgraceful nominations (Geither, Summers, etc) this one stung the most (for me).
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111
For facts on the NDAA, I recommend you take a look at the thread here on TL.
McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall. You can debate whether Obama's Financial Reform law is stronger than or as sufficient as Glass-Steagall I suppose, but most agree that it is not (aside from whether you think that is good or bad).
http://wallstreetpit.com/13031-will-cantwell-mccain-reinstate-glass-steagall
Obamacare has also been debated at length and has its own thread here.
@ {CC}StealthBlue- *high five*
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On April 20 2012 13:04 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
Bush had a chance too stop North Korea from getting Nukes. If he's a better president than Obama. Why didn't he take the necessary steps too do so? The guy that lead us into Iraq for no reason AT ALL, which will go down as the 2nd Vietnam is not better than Obama. The patriot Act, 2 wars = 4 trillion dollars, the bush tax cuts (pandering too the rich to create jobs with nothing to pay for the tax cuts) Sorry that you don't realize that Bush was a bigger part of why America is failing. The whole North Korea thing was before the Iraq war btw. WE KNEW for a fact that they were developing nuclear weapons. Yet, we went to Iraq because we thought they were making weapons of mass destruction. Such a brilliant president.
And we had a chance to stop Russia after WW2 didn't do that either. The patriot act how bout the 2012 defense-authorization bill Oh god GW is listening to your phone call. The Bush tax cuts were across the board btw that's why Obama won't ax it because he'd be raising taxes on the middle class and small businesses as well. So what's your plan with NK? We'll be fighting China in a heart beat.
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On April 20 2012 13:05 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 12:19 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote:On April 20 2012 11:41 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 10:21 docvoc wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Directed at your comment: He is very nice to the rest of the world he emulates the normal style of more socialist or psuedo-socialist governments popular in europe, however, he had a democratic super majority in the beginning of his term in office because everyone was angry at the republicans. He proceeded to do absolutely jack shit and attempted to pass a health care bill that was too costly for our government right now, and too much for our economy to handle, he shoved it down the throats of all the democrats and if they didn't vote, they were called racist. Sounds totally legit, IKR. The fact is that until you live here, you don't understand why our politics are as weird as they are. You are in Ireland, or so your moniker states, its fine that you don't know the intimate details of the literal amount of 0 change he brought, but at the same time, to be so forward about who we as a nation should vote for is a bit out of tune with reality. Directed at the original idea: The president doesn't matter much after appointing the supreme court judges, because he is now mostly a figure head since modern politics have placed a lot of power in the legislative body even after George Bush created the pocket veto. What matters is congress, and this largely republican congress was elected because the democrats had the worst popularity EVER, seriously it was at 13% at one point. People inside and outside of the U.S. are quick to forget how little got done and how much was spent during that time. Granted some say Obama pulled us out of a coming depression, but afterward many economists stepped forward and said that they had said before that the recession was just that, and the fear mongering was popularized by the liberal media and conservative media for no reason other than views. Basically its all about congress and the senate once you understand american politics, The claim that Obama has done "jack shit" is just an oft repeated political sound bite that is factually incorrect. http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. It displays the source for every claim made on the website. Your criticisms are claims that all lack any justification. If you're going to challenge facts, then common sense demands that you present facts. Lack justification? Sorry, I often take things for granted that I think is common knowledge, or obvious. Most of those subjects have been debated on TL at length (understatement). Elizabeth Warren was kicked to the curb for Richard Cordray to head the CPA that SHE CREATED. Mr Cordray is in the pocket of Wall Street. Of all of Obama's disgraceful nominations (Geither, Summers, etc) this one stung the most (for me). http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111For facts on the NDAA, I recommend you take a look at the thread here on TL. McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall. You can debate whether Obama's Financial Reform law is stronger than or as sufficient as Glass-Steagall I suppose, but most agree that it is not (aside from whether you think that is good or bad). http://wallstreetpit.com/13031-will-cantwell-mccain-reinstate-glass-steagallObamacare has also been debated at length and has its own thread here. @ {CC}StealthBlue- *high five*
Wasn't Warren basically boycotted by the GOP in the Senate to guarantee she wouldn't get the job? If I'm not mistaken, the entire agency has been targeted by the right ever since its first inception.
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It bothers me when individuals make statements like: "Ideology is just a tool of power and oppression." The first reason it bothers me is because statements like that are used to, more or less, shut down any pragmatic conversation about options -- in this case, Romney/Obama. It also bothers me because these individuals seem to think they are somehow outside of history and outside the desire for power. They seem to think if only they and their like minded friends were in charge, a drastic change for the better would occur. I think it's much more likely that statements like these are predominantly just a convenient psychological tool used to gain a fake, but important, feeling of mastery and control.
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Bush doesn't even like his name being attached to the said Tax Cuts, China and the U.S. are so economically intertwined only a fool would want to go to war.
The problem with this country is that we are paranoid, extremely so. Also Romney and his Roman Empire way of thinking regarding the military is stupid and we'll get us into a lot of trouble.
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On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.
Dear rest of the fucking world
You are all fucking idiots and dont know how to balance your check books like obama
Sincerely
Person who actually gives a shit about America(unlike Obama)
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On April 20 2012 13:33 fish ()( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest of the fucking world You are all fucking idiots and dont know how to balance your check books like obama Sincerely Person who actually gives a shit about America(unlike Obama)
I doubt Romney is going to be much better in that regard. He wants to increase defense spending. Also, I highly doubt he's going to be the one to advocate cutting oil subsides and other things that cost billions of taxpayer dollars but benefit corporations.
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On April 20 2012 13:25 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 13:05 screamingpalm wrote:On April 20 2012 12:19 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 11:54 screamingpalm wrote:On April 20 2012 11:41 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On April 20 2012 10:21 docvoc wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Directed at your comment: He is very nice to the rest of the world he emulates the normal style of more socialist or psuedo-socialist governments popular in europe, however, he had a democratic super majority in the beginning of his term in office because everyone was angry at the republicans. He proceeded to do absolutely jack shit and attempted to pass a health care bill that was too costly for our government right now, and too much for our economy to handle, he shoved it down the throats of all the democrats and if they didn't vote, they were called racist. Sounds totally legit, IKR. The fact is that until you live here, you don't understand why our politics are as weird as they are. You are in Ireland, or so your moniker states, its fine that you don't know the intimate details of the literal amount of 0 change he brought, but at the same time, to be so forward about who we as a nation should vote for is a bit out of tune with reality. Directed at the original idea: The president doesn't matter much after appointing the supreme court judges, because he is now mostly a figure head since modern politics have placed a lot of power in the legislative body even after George Bush created the pocket veto. What matters is congress, and this largely republican congress was elected because the democrats had the worst popularity EVER, seriously it was at 13% at one point. People inside and outside of the U.S. are quick to forget how little got done and how much was spent during that time. Granted some say Obama pulled us out of a coming depression, but afterward many economists stepped forward and said that they had said before that the recession was just that, and the fear mongering was popularized by the liberal media and conservative media for no reason other than views. Basically its all about congress and the senate once you understand american politics, The claim that Obama has done "jack shit" is just an oft repeated political sound bite that is factually incorrect. http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Those headlines on that site are a bit misleading however. He put a Wall Street lackey in charge of the Consumer Protection Agency instead of Elizabeth Warren. He ended 'enhanced interrogation', and then turned around and signed the NDAA which reapeals that decision. Signed Financial Reform law which was weaksauce (McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall). Headlines about his failed healthcare reform, etc etc. That shit needs some SERIOUS fact-checking. It displays the source for every claim made on the website. Your criticisms are claims that all lack any justification. If you're going to challenge facts, then common sense demands that you present facts. Lack justification? Sorry, I often take things for granted that I think is common knowledge, or obvious. Most of those subjects have been debated on TL at length (understatement). Elizabeth Warren was kicked to the curb for Richard Cordray to head the CPA that SHE CREATED. Mr Cordray is in the pocket of Wall Street. Of all of Obama's disgraceful nominations (Geither, Summers, etc) this one stung the most (for me). http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111For facts on the NDAA, I recommend you take a look at the thread here on TL. McCain was in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall. You can debate whether Obama's Financial Reform law is stronger than or as sufficient as Glass-Steagall I suppose, but most agree that it is not (aside from whether you think that is good or bad). http://wallstreetpit.com/13031-will-cantwell-mccain-reinstate-glass-steagallObamacare has also been debated at length and has its own thread here. @ {CC}StealthBlue- *high five* Wasn't Warren basically boycotted by the GOP in the Senate to guarantee she wouldn't get the job? If I'm not mistaken, the entire agency has been targeted by the right ever since its first inception.
That might be part of it, but she started butting heads with Dems who were receiving Wall Street cash (Schumer, Reid, Dodd, etc). Axelrod's argument was that it wasn't worth the fight, they didn't have the political capital, and fell back on typical pragmatism. Of course, Obama takes in quite a few dollars from Wall Street as well. But really, what's the point in having this agency if you are going to have the fox guard the henhouse?
Just like every other issue, no attempt at leadership is being made to bring the case to the public.
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On April 20 2012 13:33 fish ()( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest of the fucking world You are all fucking idiots and dont know how to balance your check books like obama Sincerely Person who actually gives a shit about America(unlike Obama)
Thank you for feeding the stereotype that all Americans think poorly of other countries, but really other countries know how to balance checkbooks and take care of themselves. I also care about America and would much rather have Obama than Romney.
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On April 20 2012 13:39 Son of Gnome wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 13:33 fish ()( wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest of the fucking world You are all fucking idiots and dont know how to balance your check books like obama Sincerely Person who actually gives a shit about America(unlike Obama) Dr Stereotypical American Please stop feeding the stereotype that all Americans are grumpy douche bags. Sincerely The Rest of America
Was there a purpose for that? You just stooped to his level. You have made his argument more reasonable while discounting your own ability to engage.
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On April 20 2012 13:44 smarty pants wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 13:39 Son of Gnome wrote:On April 20 2012 13:33 fish ()( wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest of the fucking world You are all fucking idiots and dont know how to balance your check books like obama Sincerely Person who actually gives a shit about America(unlike Obama) Dr Stereotypical American Please stop feeding the stereotype that all Americans are grumpy douche bags. Sincerely The Rest of America Was there a purpose for that? You just stooped to his level. You have made his argument more reasonable while discounting your own ability to engage.
Good point edited.
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