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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On August 17 2012 06:48 coverpunch wrote: As Churchill put it: "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." Yeah except Churchill never said that. http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/myths/myths/quotes-falsely-attributed-to-him | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
GREER, S.C. — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Thursday that he has paid a federal income tax rate of at least 13 percent in each of the last 10 years, bowing to months of political pressure to disclose more information about his vast personal fortune. “I did go back and look at my taxes, and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year,” he told reporters here Thursday. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 17 2012 09:02 Mohdoo wrote: Can't imagine a situation where a misquote is appropriate. "87% of internet quotes are invented." -Abraham Lincoln ,-) | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On August 17 2012 06:49 DoubleReed wrote: We've gone over a whole ton of issues in this thread. Hell, we just went over a huge section on taxes. Politics is complicated man. Abortion is just one of several diversions in here. And social issues have serious economic consequences. Of course, conservatives never like to bring those up because they are almost exclusively in favor of the liberals. And liberals don't like to bring them up because we prefer to be warm/fuzzy and talk about 'civil rights' and things like that. Anyway, here's Paul Ryan flip-flopping a bit on Ayn Rand: gotta love paul ryan lmao | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
45 seconds are so in. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:44 Souma wrote: Not that I'm a liberal per se but I am definitely not worried about any debates. In fact I am anxious to see them and hoping both parties can lay it all out on the table. May the best man convince me on what is the "right" course of action for that political black hole. I would actually squeal with delight if just once during any of the debates Romney actually says something that makes me think he would be a decent president. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:36 xDaunt wrote: Just out of curiosity, are any of you liberals/Obama supporters worried about the upcoming debates on Medicare? Quite the opposite (notably because of the two fact-checks listed here - the truth and good policies are on Obama's side). | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:36 xDaunt wrote: Just out of curiosity, are any of you liberals/Obama supporters worried about the upcoming debates on Medicare? Well, I'm not really an Obama supporter, and I consider myself a leftist rather than a liberal, but hell yeah... that's a debate I'd love to see all day long. I don't think either candidate has a good plan on Medicare or any form of safety net programs though. :D I can see where your going with this though, the fact that there would even be a question about Dems being on edge with what is historically their platform, speaks a lot about the current state of the party. | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
They are both lawyers. They should be able to handle it. (well kind of were lawyers. Mitt passed the bar but never practiced) | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 17 2012 11:10 RCMDVA wrote: I wish they were Oxford/Ivy League style debates. Right now they are no more than dueling press conferences. They are both lawyers. They should be able to handle it. (well kind of were lawyers. Mitt passed the bar but never practiced) In France the two candidates are face-to-face, and the system is indeed WAY better. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:57 kwizach wrote: Quite the opposite (notably because of the two fact-checks listed here - the truth and good policies are on Obama's side). Politifact's articles on the Medicare cuts are precisely the kind of crap that makes them look like a hack outfit disturbingly often. I don't know in what world they can classify what Obamacare does to Medicare as not being a cut. It takes money out of the system. Period. Do the cuts directly reduce services? No. However, the cuts do reduce reimbursements to providers, which will reduce the availability of providers that are willing to take Medicare (and this has already been a problem for a number of years). Regardless, here's the bottom-line problem for Obama. Though Paul Ryan advocated a budget with significant cuts to Medicare that are much like Obama's, Romney has not and will not. In stark contrast, not only Obama proposed significant cuts to Medicare, he has actually enacted them. If I were Romney, I'd remake the DNC ad showing Paul Ryan rolling granny off the cliff and insert Obama instead. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 17 2012 11:25 xDaunt wrote: Politifact's articles on the Medicare cuts are precisely the kind of crap that makes them look like a hack outfit disturbingly often. I think that by "disturbingly often" you mean "each time they contradict my opinion". On August 17 2012 11:25 xDaunt wrote: I don't know in what world they can classify what Obamacare does to Medicare as not being a cut. Read the article. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On August 17 2012 10:11 RCMDVA wrote: And we have MSNBC not only throwing in the race card. They are throwing in the entire deck. 45 seconds are so in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJFr2GsI6IQ When you overreach too far, you can really look stupid when called out. | ||
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On August 17 2012 11:25 xDaunt wrote: Politifact's articles on the Medicare cuts are precisely the kind of crap that makes them look like a hack outfit disturbingly often. I don't know in what world they can classify what Obamacare does to Medicare as not being a cut. It takes money out of the system. Period. Do the cuts directly reduce services? No. However, the cuts do reduce reimbursements to providers, which will reduce the availability of providers that are willing to take Medicare (and this has already been a problem for a number of years). Regardless, here's the bottom-line problem for Obama. Though Paul Ryan advocated a budget with significant cuts to Medicare that are much like Obama's, Romney has not and will not. In stark contrast, not only Obama proposed significant cuts to Medicare, he has actually enacted them. If I were Romney, I'd remake the DNC ad showing Paul Ryan rolling granny off the cliff and insert Obama instead. Romney declared Paul Ryan's budget "marvelous" in debates. He's advocated time and time again for entitlement reform. That he would not try to alter Medicare, as you seem to say, to is not the platform he's been running on for 4 years. The Affordable Care Act cuts funds from Medicare Advantage, a pilot program designed to cut costs. Ultimately, Medicare Advantage ended up costing 12 percent more without providing higher quality care. The program involves a government subsidy of private insurers to try and encourage competition and drive down costs. It was unnecessary government involvement in the private industry that did not cut costs compared to traditional Medicare. Scaling back funds for this program, (especially for those private insurers that don't meet basic health benchmarks, where much of the savings come from) and strengthening the rest is an obvious, and long overdue solution. In fact, I believe most Republicans call this cracking down on waste. So okay, the ACA reduces some money given to private insurers, which by itself would reduce some coverage provided to seniors. Other parts of the legislation, however, strengthen Medicare by providing seniors free annual wellness visits, free preventative services, and a 50 percent discount for drugs in the Medicare "donut hole"; that is, drugs that were not covered at all under the pre-Obamacare law in the (unpaid for Bush era) Medicare Part D. So "Obamacare" removes some of the outlays to a monetarily expensive and inefficient program (Medicare Advantage) and provides it to services that actually go directly to seniors. Hardly rolling granny off a cliff. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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