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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
November 08 2012 16:19 GMT
#28161
On November 08 2012 22:10 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 21:32 blug wrote:
Getting sick of people from my Country saying "YAY OBAMA WON!" and don't even really know what it means. Hell, I don't even really know what it means, but people are enjoying his victory based off of nothing, besides the fact that he acts like a nice guy and is black.

It really seems to me Obama does a really good job at making his opposition look evil not by dismissing or ridiculing his ideals, but simply by acting sincere/genuine. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

i know the US won't be getting a mormon as president so that's a good thing. we don't need religious ppl making policies based on an old book, instead of based on what is rational. I'm sorry but saying that rape is an act of god makes him look retarded.

i know it means the us military won't be getting a funding boost.. another good thing.


Actually mormonism, compared, is rather new :D It's cute in a way how it all works.
FoTG fighting!
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
November 08 2012 16:21 GMT
#28162
On November 09 2012 01:15 oneofthem wrote:
mormon ex-historians may disagree. this is my last post on this topic. if you can't see mormon practices of theological control as problematic i cannot help you.

Could you give an example of what "theological control" means? I know you said last post but I'm just curious what that means.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:22:19
November 08 2012 16:21 GMT
#28163
On November 09 2012 01:18 oneofthem wrote:
the previous 2 posts about international law should be understood alongside this picture.

http://i.imgur.com/b8lm9.jpg

Pretty much. International law is basically the largest prisoner's dilemma game in existence, and shaking the equilibrium is bad news for all parties concerned.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:24:55
November 08 2012 16:22 GMT
#28164
On November 09 2012 01:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:
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On November 09 2012 01:08 kwizach wrote:
On November 09 2012 00:52 zalz wrote:
On November 09 2012 00:37 Warcloud wrote:
I think our priority should be diverting our money away from illegal and immoral wars while investing it in infrastructure. The fact that this isn't even a fucking option on the poll just shows how uneducated people are and how misplaced our priorities are. The US Government kills innocent people every day. Who is the real terrorist in this situation?


One of the wars has already been brought to an end, the other is scheduled to be brought to an end.

But the wars were not illegal. Immoral is op to personal definition, but they are objectively not illegal.

The intervention in Iraq was clearly illegal according to international law, as it was a violation of the UN charter.

Yeah but international law is a joke.

On November 09 2012 01:16 SupLilSon wrote:
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On November 09 2012 01:08 kwizach wrote:
On November 09 2012 00:52 zalz wrote:
On November 09 2012 00:37 Warcloud wrote:
I think our priority should be diverting our money away from illegal and immoral wars while investing it in infrastructure. The fact that this isn't even a fucking option on the poll just shows how uneducated people are and how misplaced our priorities are. The US Government kills innocent people every day. Who is the real terrorist in this situation?


One of the wars has already been brought to an end, the other is scheduled to be brought to an end.

But the wars were not illegal. Immoral is op to personal definition, but they are objectively not illegal.

The intervention in Iraq was clearly illegal according to international law, as it was a violation of the UN charter.


The UN is laughable. I wouldn't consider any UN charter a meaningful legal document.

If anyone is going to claim that a military intervention by a state into/against another state is not illegal, by definition the first thing you should be looking at is international law. And the U.N. charter is one of the cornerstones of international law (with other treaties, like the 1969 Vienna Convention).
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
November 08 2012 16:24 GMT
#28165
On November 09 2012 01:09 oneofthem wrote:
karl rove can't even do arithmetics. at the time of his objections toledo was 12% reporting and cleveland had like 300k obama votes still to be counted. his reason was that there are a couple suburban areas still being counted.

now, at the time of his objections, the vote difference in the state was small, at around 70% reporting. it is possible that assuming random votes for the rest of the 30%, rove has a point. but he should know better than that given the amount of obama votes still to be counted.

his objection is probably something like, we have a good case to mislead viewers into believing that romney still has a chance in ohio, but why u ruining this??? he was more annoyed at the lack of partisanship in the projections than he was about the accuracy of the projection itself.

I don't know how it went on at FOX, but Ohio was called far too early on the PBS broadcast imo. Same goes for a few other states, before any votes were counted... On the other hand, it ended up they were right, but in general showing some restraint in calling states is a good idea. Remember how Al Gore won the 2000 election in Florida and the state ending up going to Bush? That is kind of the point and it is a fair point.
Repeat before me
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#28166
Ok, I have a request for all you well-informed posters. I'm looking to take responsibility for my political views.
I grew up Republican and values like you earn what you get, work hard and no one should take that away, and conservative social values. I've leaned Libertarian since the end of high school thinking small government is best, protecting individual rights is important (I still have "conservative" values but I know it's not the government's job to impose some of my values on others)

I think all you liberals make a compelling argument for single-payer healthcare. I am opposed in principle. I don't really like the government making it mandatory but I also really want everyone to have good healthcare. If single-payer is indeed more cost-effective for everyone I would support it. I'm surrounded by some of the right-wing people that are ridiculed in this thread. I think their intentions are good but as I'm exploring this and arguing discussing this with them I need some substance on the subject and need to be better informed. Can you help me out with studies/articles?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:28:12
November 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#28167
On November 09 2012 01:24 radiatoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 01:09 oneofthem wrote:
karl rove can't even do arithmetics. at the time of his objections toledo was 12% reporting and cleveland had like 300k obama votes still to be counted. his reason was that there are a couple suburban areas still being counted.

now, at the time of his objections, the vote difference in the state was small, at around 70% reporting. it is possible that assuming random votes for the rest of the 30%, rove has a point. but he should know better than that given the amount of obama votes still to be counted.

his objection is probably something like, we have a good case to mislead viewers into believing that romney still has a chance in ohio, but why u ruining this??? he was more annoyed at the lack of partisanship in the projections than he was about the accuracy of the projection itself.

I don't know how it went on at FOX, but Ohio was called far too early on the PBS broadcast imo. Same goes for a few other states, before any votes were counted... On the other hand, it ended up they were right, but in general showing some restraint in calling states is a good idea. Remember how Al Gore won the 2000 election in Florida and the state ending up going to Bush? That is kind of the point and it is a fair point.

i thought that too, until i looked at county by county data.

the overwhelming majority of votes left uncounted were in the toledo/cleveland areas and those votes went obama by a 70/30 ratio.

if you have this data then it's not hard to call an obama victory. as another note, betting sites already "called" ohio way earlier.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 08 2012 16:28 GMT
#28168
On November 09 2012 01:02 zalz wrote:
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On November 09 2012 00:59 Holgerius wrote:
AFAIK, the matter of the legality of the Iraq invasion is still up for debate.

Depends on if you use the definition of legal, as used by the majority of humanity and all recognized bodies of law.

Or an Alex Jones website.

You can take one side of the discussion sure, but to deny that the legality is highly contested is absurd. This report gives a good overview over the issue and the different positions: http://www.worldpress.org/specials/iraq/
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theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
November 08 2012 16:33 GMT
#28169
What was the biggest reason Obama won

Other explain: As the most reliable factor of determening the outcome of american presidential elections, once more, total raised and spent cash was the determening one. And as seen before (also under obamas precidency) this will heavily influence the policies during the next period. Basically now it's time for Obama to pay back the corporations who helped him buy the election.

Democracy is a wonderful thing.
Winners train. Loosers complain.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#28170
Lol @ the news anchors and media news people who predicted a landslide victory for M.Rommey
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
November 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#28171
A law is only a law if it can be enforced. Otherwise it's just a request.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 08 2012 16:37 GMT
#28172
On November 09 2012 01:21 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2012 01:15 oneofthem wrote:
mormon ex-historians may disagree. this is my last post on this topic. if you can't see mormon practices of theological control as problematic i cannot help you.

Could you give an example of what "theological control" means? I know you said last post but I'm just curious what that means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#Criticism_of_response_to_internal_dissent
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:38:29
November 08 2012 16:38 GMT
#28173
On November 09 2012 01:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:
A law is only a law if it can be enforced. Otherwise it's just a request.

a successful escaped inmate's always successful claim.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:40:42
November 08 2012 16:39 GMT
#28174
On November 09 2012 01:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:
A law is only a law if it can be enforced. Otherwise it's just a request.

No. A law is what's defined as a law. International law is a domain of law. Also, there are plenty of subcategories of international law. Here, we're talking about public international law.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 08 2012 16:40 GMT
#28175
On November 09 2012 01:36 MooMooMugi wrote:
Lol @ the news anchors and media news people who predicted a landslide victory for M.Rommey

Predictions are not gaurantees.
Refer to my post.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 08 2012 16:40 GMT
#28176
On November 09 2012 01:18 oneofthem wrote:
the previous 2 posts about international law should be understood alongside this picture.

http://i.imgur.com/b8lm9.jpg

Haha, that sums it up pretty well.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
November 08 2012 16:43 GMT
#28177
On November 09 2012 00:36 WhiteDog wrote:
Aside from exceptionnal situation, does it even happen for americans not to elect the same president twice ? I wonder, because G. W. Bush was reelected - one of the worst US president in regard to america's image on the international and I recall some people saying america just never vote against their president in period of war.
And now I sense a lot of disappointment toward Obama coming from US citizen and I don't understand if they elected him again or just that they feel that he deserve a second mandat to really do his best and see the result after that.



21 of 29 presidents who attempted re-election got the second term. Rest of them didnt run the second time due to various resons (death and lack of party nomination are major causes).
Pathetic Greta hater.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:47:05
November 08 2012 16:43 GMT
#28178
anyway apparently romney contracted for a "transition website" that is to come online if he won.

nevertheless, it was leaked to the glee of many.

here's the website claiming that if you want a job in the romney administration, you can apply online! but you need to show tax returns! apparently this does not apply to romney himself.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/11/wonkette-sends-us-to-mitt-romneys-transition-website.html
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
November 08 2012 16:44 GMT
#28179
On November 08 2012 22:10 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 21:32 blug wrote:
Getting sick of people from my Country saying "YAY OBAMA WON!" and don't even really know what it means. Hell, I don't even really know what it means, but people are enjoying his victory based off of nothing, besides the fact that he acts like a nice guy and is black.

It really seems to me Obama does a really good job at making his opposition look evil not by dismissing or ridiculing his ideals, but simply by acting sincere/genuine. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

i know the US won't be getting a mormon as president so that's a good thing. we don't need religious ppl making policies based on an old book, instead of based on what is rational. I'm sorry but saying that rape is an act of god makes him look retarded.

i know it means the us military won't be getting a funding boost.. another good thing.


Yeah but the U.S. has a christian president. The christian religion preaches talking snakes and a 6,000 year old world. Christianity is just as fucking crazy as Mormonism.
4 Corners in a day.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
November 08 2012 16:45 GMT
#28180
On November 09 2012 01:33 theJob wrote:
What was the biggest reason Obama won

Other explain: As the most reliable factor of determening the outcome of american presidential elections, once more, total raised and spent cash was the determening one. And as seen before (also under obamas precidency) this will heavily influence the policies during the next period. Basically now it's time for Obama to pay back the corporations who helped him buy the election.

Democracy is a wonderful thing.


...what? Care to back that up with some evidence or are you talking completely out of your ass? It's widely known that Romney had more financial clout on the campaign trail...whether he used it effectively or not is another discussion.
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