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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
November 05 2012 14:06 GMT
#23821
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


It's 4 in America.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
November 05 2012 14:07 GMT
#23822
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.



What a great interviewer, just asking polite questions which calls them out on their bullshit.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:09:47
November 05 2012 14:09 GMT
#23823
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:16:30
November 05 2012 14:14 GMT
#23824
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.

The popular vote looks to be 50-50 (the overall total of votes), but the electoral college is looks to be in favor of Obama (what is used to determine the winner). Obama will likely win more electoral votes by a smaller margin, and Romney will win fewer electoral votes by a wide margin.

Looking at the popular vote polls is misleading since that is not how we geniuses in the US elect our president, though the media often covers them predominantly since they are easy for people to understand and track.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14048 Posts
November 05 2012 14:15 GMT
#23825
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
November 05 2012 14:18 GMT
#23826
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#23827
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


actually, the lsu-bama game has been an accurate predictor of the presidential election. bama means the democrats win, and they did. we'll see whose correlation is better-er.
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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
November 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#23828
On November 05 2012 23:18 Trezeguet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?


Did you just take his post seriously?
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 05 2012 14:25 GMT
#23829
On November 05 2012 22:53 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 22:33 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:32 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.


Don't they?

No?


100% are entitled to the safety net.
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 05 2012 14:33 GMT
#23830
Thanks for the answers

From a huge distance, i think Obama and the persona he has when he is speaking, makes him the prefered man to lead America, but again what do i know other than the way he comes across? Nothing.

I always get jelaous of how much America gets into Elections though, and how lackluster it is in England
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paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:43:28
November 05 2012 14:38 GMT
#23831
On November 05 2012 23:33 Pandemona wrote:
Thanks for the answers

From a huge distance, i think Obama and the persona he has when he is speaking, makes him the prefered man to lead America, but again what do i know other than the way he comes across? Nothing.

I always get jelaous of how much America gets into Elections though, and how lackluster it is in England

Really? You'd prefer a 1 year election campaign instead of like 3 weeks?

My first post in this thread occurred on April 19 2012 on page 4. While I usually keep up to date with US news regardless, a lot of time and energy has been spent following this election and this thread. It's been interesting and fun though.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:40:04
November 05 2012 14:39 GMT
#23832
On November 05 2012 23:33 Pandemona wrote:
Thanks for the answers

From a huge distance, i think Obama and the persona he has when he is speaking, makes him the prefered man to lead America, but again what do i know other than the way he comes across? Nothing.

I always get jelaous of how much America gets into Elections though, and how lackluster it is in England


You should take a look at the amount we spend on our elections compared to the amount you spend on yours. Don't be jealous.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 05 2012 14:41 GMT
#23833
I like how Canadian election campaigns are a month max. I don't blame that kid on the video for crying about the US election.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:42:35
November 05 2012 14:41 GMT
#23834
On November 05 2012 23:38 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:33 Pandemona wrote:
Thanks for the answers

From a huge distance, i think Obama and the persona he has when he is speaking, makes him the prefered man to lead America, but again what do i know other than the way he comes across? Nothing.

I always get jelaous of how much America gets into Elections though, and how lackluster it is in England

Really? You'd prefer a 1 year election campaign instead of like 3 weeks?


Lol not in that sense! In the sense of like public voters and how many people actually turn up to listen to the canditates speak etcetc. And only having the choice of 2 people instead of like 10 seems to make alot more sense >.<

On November 05 2012 23:39 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:33 Pandemona wrote:
Thanks for the answers

From a huge distance, i think Obama and the persona he has when he is speaking, makes him the prefered man to lead America, but again what do i know other than the way he comes across? Nothing.

I always get jelaous of how much America gets into Elections though, and how lackluster it is in England


You should take a look at the amount we spend on our elections compared to the amount you spend on yours. Don't be jealous.


In terms of % of budget on the campaigns im sure ours isn't that far off the % of yours xD

We waste money on silly things like Plane journeys from Newcastle to London etcetc (which is like 4hours on the train/car)
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2012 14:41 GMT
#23835
On November 05 2012 23:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


actually, the lsu-bama game has been an accurate predictor of the presidential election. bama means the democrats win, and they did. we'll see whose correlation is better-er.

game rigged so invalid. gg
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 05 2012 14:44 GMT
#23836
On November 05 2012 23:07 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U


What a great interviewer, just asking polite questions which calls them out on their bullshit.
This video was hilarious.. I think the first logical criticism wasn't made until 3 minutes in. "He's an atheist, a muslim, a communist, a socialist!!!!!" --> "What do you mean by socialist" --> "DURRRR" I guess more seriously it's sad how ignorant most people are and how utterly unable they are to form their own opinions.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6257 Posts
November 05 2012 14:44 GMT
#23837
On November 05 2012 23:18 Trezeguet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?


Yes but they're polls nonetheless. In the Netherlands for example out biggest party polled 30-35 out of 150 seats and our 2nd biggest party a little behind them. In the election the biggest got 41 seats and the 2nd biggest 38 which is a significant difference. Polls are nice but voters can still change their minds when they're about to cast their vote. I myself was still doubting until I filled in the form.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 05 2012 14:45 GMT
#23838
On November 05 2012 23:44 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:18 Trezeguet wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?


Yes but they're polls nonetheless. In the Netherlands for example out biggest party polled 30-35 out of 150 seats and our 2nd biggest party a little behind them. In the election the biggest got 41 seats and the 2nd biggest 38 which is a significant difference. Polls are nice but voters can still change their minds when they're about to cast their vote. I myself was still doubting until I filled in the form.

We're not talking about just polls here, but aggregations of hundreds of polls.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:49:53
November 05 2012 14:49 GMT
#23839
On November 05 2012 23:24 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:18 Trezeguet wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?


Did you just take his post seriously?

haha, the 1st part no, the 2nd part yes (minus his righteous view on facts)
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 05 2012 14:50 GMT
#23840
On November 05 2012 23:45 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 23:44 RvB wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:18 Trezeguet wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:15 Sermokala wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2012 23:04 Pandemona wrote:
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.


Without Gallup in the equation, Obama has a narrow lead in the polls. Of the Sunday national polls none put Romney ahead, four were tied, and nine were +Obama (eight of those were one point or more).


don't listen to these guys. The only thing you need to know about whos going to win the election is based off of how the redskins did this past sunday. That has decided more elections then their silly "polls". Obvs beacuse the redskins lost that means that Romney is going to win. also every single time the election has been held on the sixth republicans have won. From abe Lincoln to Regan.

I'm not going to let these election predictions be dictated by facts. Also wouldn't those polls having obama a point or 2 ahead still mean its a tied poll due to sampling error of like 3 to 4 percent on most of these polls?


Stick with what your gut tells you, don't let any of these academics infect you. If you had 10 polls showing the same 2 point lead with a 3% error on each, wouldn't that very likely show a lead even if they are all within the margin of error?


Yes but they're polls nonetheless. In the Netherlands for example out biggest party polled 30-35 out of 150 seats and our 2nd biggest party a little behind them. In the election the biggest got 41 seats and the 2nd biggest 38 which is a significant difference. Polls are nice but voters can still change their minds when they're about to cast their vote. I myself was still doubting until I filled in the form.

We're not talking about just polls here, but aggregations of hundreds of polls.


Who knows. Maybe the redskins game will convince people to change their mind.
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