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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 05 2012 10:59 GMT
#23801
On November 05 2012 19:18 Rassy wrote:
You might call romney a proxy but then obama is a proxy as well.
i find romney a much better candidate then mccain and i think he does have his own ideas, he just has to play it all realy carefull now. If he would be elected i think he would act different.

Ahh, the "vote for Romney, because he's currently lying about what he'll do in office" argument. This seems to be popping up more often. It was even in The Economist's endorsement of Obama, but they rightly dismissed it as nonsense.

How cynical to think Romney will be a good president because he's lying now, and that he'll magically be more sensible if he wins.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 11:06:02
November 05 2012 11:04 GMT
#23802
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.


Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 11:09:39
November 05 2012 11:08 GMT
#23803
On November 05 2012 19:45 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 19:19 Dapper_Cad wrote:
This is going to be like farting at a hurricane but...

We all know that there is no evidence that cutting government spending will do anything to reduce the deficit right? That examples of a nation states spending their way out of a financial hole abound in history?

Don't get me wrong, our conversation about this issue here in the U.K. is terribly stunted but the occasional rational voice gets through. Is no one in the U.S. worried by how limited the debate is?

Enjoying your double-dip recession?

[image loading]

Which, by the way, has lasted longer than the Great Depression in the UK.


Not really. Falling living standards aren't really fun.

We are doing exactly the same thing that you are, cutting spending, what's your point?

It looks a lot like "my country is better than yours" but it can't be that, because that would be stupid.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 05 2012 11:14 GMT
#23804
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 11:29:32
November 05 2012 11:29 GMT
#23805
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 11:34:41
November 05 2012 11:32 GMT
#23806
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 05 2012 11:55 GMT
#23807
On November 05 2012 20:32 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.


He said that 47% of the U.S. population believe they are entitled to food, to housing, to healthcare.

Maybe they've been reading article 25 of the universal declaration of human rights.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2012 12:00 GMT
#23808
these silly people. just die off already so the labor market returns to equilibrium.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 05 2012 12:03 GMT
#23809
On November 05 2012 21:00 oneofthem wrote:
these silly people. just die off already so the labor market returns to equilibrium.



The strange thing is that the solution to the problem has been staring us all in the face for 300 years.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2012 12:07 GMT
#23810
wonderful
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 05 2012 12:51 GMT
#23811
On November 05 2012 21:03 Dapper_Cad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 21:00 oneofthem wrote:
these silly people. just die off already so the labor market returns to equilibrium.



The strange thing is that the solution to the problem has been staring us all in the face for 300 years.


Actually, eating babies would only exacerbate the western world/Japan/China's aging problem. Someone needs to do a rewrite where we eat the Baby Boomers instead.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 13:19:11
November 05 2012 13:18 GMT
#23812
Voting Is Already a Mess in Florida
http://news.yahoo.com/voting-already-mess-florida-041641182.html

7 hours in line to vote, is this normal?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
November 05 2012 13:25 GMT
#23813
On November 05 2012 22:18 paralleluniverse wrote:
Voting Is Already a Mess in Florida
http://news.yahoo.com/voting-already-mess-florida-041641182.html

7 hours in line to vote, is this normal?


The US does not need international observers. everything is fine here. please leave!

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 05 2012 13:33 GMT
#23814
On November 05 2012 20:32 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.


Don't they?
jordyn
Profile Joined October 2012
19 Posts
November 05 2012 13:34 GMT
#23815
On November 05 2012 22:18 paralleluniverse wrote:
Voting Is Already a Mess in Florida
http://news.yahoo.com/voting-already-mess-florida-041641182.html

7 hours in line to vote, is this normal?


Wut?Gotta be some Persian propaganda. Silly Aussies , next time they are going to believe that Gagarin was first man in space.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43262 Posts
November 05 2012 13:53 GMT
#23816
On November 05 2012 22:33 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:32 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.


Don't they?

No?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
November 05 2012 13:54 GMT
#23817
I voted a week ago and was basically in and out in 6 minutes.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 05 2012 14:00 GMT
#23818
On November 05 2012 22:33 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 20:32 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:29 kwizach wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:14 Romantic wrote:
On November 05 2012 20:04 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 05 2012 17:23 Defacer wrote:
Ugh.

This really isn't fair, because I'm sure you can make a documentary about people backing Obama for asinine reasons, but damn. This made me sad.

http://youtu.be/nY0M7IdNl7U

Utter fail from the guy at 2:00, fumbling in an attempt to explain away the 47% video.

But, seriously, I'd like to see how Romney supporter's here would explain away the video.

Do you not believe that he really meant what he said in that candid moment? Do you believe as this guy does, that he was just trying to impress the audience in front of him at the time? What do you make of him doubling down on the message of the 47% video after it was leaked, and only much latter saying he was wrong?


It is really simple. Mitt Romney thinks rightly that he would never get that 47% of the vote so his job is to appeal to Republicans and independents and not worry about anyone else.

No, again, that's not the only thing he said. If he had said what you wrote, that would have been fine: "some people are going to vote Democratic no matter what, so I must try to convince those who have not yet made up their mind to vote for me". But he also accused those 47% of people of living off the government and of not taking any responsibility for their lives. THAT is what's extremely wrong with his comments.

Exactly. He also said the 47% feel entitled to government handouts.


Don't they?

So you really honestly think the 47% of Americans who don't pay income taxes all feel entitled to government handouts? There are no Republican voters in the 47%? The reason 47% of Americans don't pay income tax is because they don't make enough money (although they pay other taxes), so for Mitt Romney to say that they don't take personal responsibility for their lives and feel entitled is quite insulting, given that it's far more difficult to live so poor, than to live in a mansion with a car elevator.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2012 14:04 GMT
#23819
those americans may also pay payroll tax or collect benefits from work they put in years ago.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 05 2012 14:04 GMT
#23820
It still 50-50 in the polls?

Has the super storm bumped up any of Obama's poll points?

Also, do you think it's fair to judge someone in such an important job after just 2 years? In England they get 4, and most of the time they still have things they have not done by the end of it.
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