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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#22741
On November 01 2012 09:55 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 08:55 kwizach wrote:
On November 01 2012 08:51 BluePanther wrote:
On November 01 2012 08:42 kwizach wrote:
On November 01 2012 08:33 BluePanther wrote:
On November 01 2012 08:18 kwizach wrote:
BluePanther, do you mind linking to the leaks that you said made you decide not to vote Obama? I might have missed your reply but I don't think I've seen you post them yet.

Here is one article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&

and another: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/08/08/top-obama-aide-national-security-leaks-absolutely-have-caused-damage

edit: If you want more, google them. I have no further desire to cite my entire decision-making process.

The information there seems to come from interviews with "American, European and Israeli officials involved in the program, as well as a range of outside experts". What's unusual about this? Bob Woodward wrote a similar book about the Afghan surge under Obama.

edit: the second article is apparently about the leaks that happened later, and it makes clear Obama and his administration are very serious about holding the person responsible for the leaks accountable. I don't really see what here is supposed to indicate the leaks are not taken seriously.


if you're looking for a justification, you're not getting one. there are hundreds of articles that a simple google search will unearth on this topic. seriously, just stop now. even if you convince me i was wrong (which you really can't, as it's just a factor in my opinion), i've said multiple times that it's not even what convinced me to vote for Romney. there is no point to debating it with me.

I'm not denying the leaks happened - I read about them myself when they did. I thought you had evidence of them happening for political gains, which I thought was the reason you were very disappointed with the Obama administration on the matter. Apparently, it wasn't the case, and the administration took the leaks seriously. I therefore have my answer.


Someone within the administration leaked them, and the only purpose for the leak was political gain. This is basically known.

It's not known. How is it known? Is every leak ever for political gain? If not, why should this one necessarily be for political gain? The leak pretty much opened one of the only lines of attack at that point for Republicans on national security - it was politically risky more than anything.
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 01:11:04
November 01 2012 01:07 GMT
#22742
I just find it appalling that we spend trillions, largely via military, in "rebuilding" Iraq and Afghanistan, but Romney was ready to debate the federal responsibility of rebuilding an American city wrecked by a natural disaster. Again, when asked directly about it, in the debates, Romney said,
"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut—we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep?"

What should we keep? How about keeping our cities intact and our people safe, in a national effort? How is that wrong? His answer to this "budgetary problem of FEMA" seems to me to go directly against the very nature of the office he is running for. Protect us, fool.


But to be fair, that answer Romney gave is weeks old. Having seen yet another devastating hurricane, this time bringing state-wide destruction across the eastern coast, Romney has "clarified" his position by completely contradicting his not-yet-month-old previous statement:
When a reporter from the National Journal asked the Romney campaign about the candidate’s stance on disaster relief, a press spokeswoman e-mailed back: “Gov. Romney believes that states should be in charge of emergency management in responding to storms and other natural disasters in their jurisdictions. As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities, and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA.”
So Romney is in favor of keeping FEMA, after all—or is he?


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/10/romney-has-a-christie-problem-and-a-fema-problem.html#ixzz2AvdQExpa


Surely, this change, however coincidentally it may be politically-opportune, is heartfelt. This is a very inspiring Presidential candidate.
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Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
November 01 2012 01:22 GMT
#22743
It's nice to know we have these well-trained experts watching our polling places for voter fraud:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/voter-fraud-false-sighting-ohio_n_2050768.html
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
November 01 2012 01:24 GMT
#22744
On November 01 2012 10:22 Adila wrote:
It's nice to know we have these well-trained experts watching our polling places for voter fraud:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/voter-fraud-false-sighting-ohio_n_2050768.html

One of my best friends and college roommate lives in a Columbus neighborhood full of Somalis. It is a rather startling sight at first, but their presence has been known for some time, and while their English can be difficult to understand, they do mostly seem to speak it.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 01 2012 01:43 GMT
#22745
“I think the auto issue ... that has solidified things for Obama,” said EPIC-MRA pollster Bernie Porn, referring to the 2009 investment and structured bankruptcy of General Motors and Chrysler which was led by the administration and is widely credited with helping both automakers return to profitability. In recent days, Romney — who said in 2008 he would have limited government help for the companies — has suggested in radio and TV spots in Ohio that the rescue did more for jobs in China than the U.S., despite the creation of thousands of jobs in Michigan and across the country...

Half of those polled said the rescue of GM and Chrysler was a deciding factor in their support – and of those, nearly two-thirds backed Obama. Among the slightly less than half that said it wasn’t a deciding factor, Romney had the edge, but by less -- 56% to 33%. Meanwhile, the number of Michigan voters giving Obama favorable marks rose 4 percentage points to 55% from the early October survey; Romney’s remained constant at 45%.


Source
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 01 2012 02:26 GMT
#22746
Karl Rove is predicting that Romney will win 51-48 with 279 electoral votes or so. His interpretation of the polling numbers is interesting and basically in line with my thoughts.

Source.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 02:36:37
November 01 2012 02:34 GMT
#22747
From Drudge:

"SEX SCANDAL TO HIT CAMPAIGN...

STORY SAID TO INVOLVE POWERFUL SENATOR, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE. DAILY CALLER PLANS LATE NIGHT RELEASE..."


Always something to add at the last second.

So, who do we think it will be? And will a sex scandal with a random senator affect the presidential campaign?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 01 2012 02:38 GMT
#22748
Yeah, I am guessing it will be a democrat given that the Daily Caller is breaking it. Maybe Bill Nelson? Maybe the democrat in Montana?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 01 2012 02:39 GMT
#22749
How would a Senate sex scandal affect the presidential race?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
November 01 2012 02:41 GMT
#22750
On November 01 2012 11:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How would a Senate sex scandal affect the presidential race?

Only Drudge can say!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 02:43 GMT
#22751
obamaphonesex
shikata ga nai
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
November 01 2012 02:43 GMT
#22752
Harry Reid and Michele Bachmann caught together, would be the story of the year.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 02:48:31
November 01 2012 02:45 GMT
#22753
It has to be a young male for it to be a scandal.

Hell...John Edwards was banging Rielle Hunter while his wife had cancer, and that was known by everybody... and it wasn't news until he got caught visiting the baby.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
November 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#22754
On November 01 2012 11:45 RCMDVA wrote:
It has to be a young male for it to be a scandal.

Hell...Edwards was banging Rielle Hunter while his wife had cancer was known by everybody and it wasn't news until he got caught visiting the baby.


Why would it have to be a young male? We as a society hold women to much higher standards when it comes to sex scandals. Would be a much bigger blow to any lady's campaign than any mans imo.
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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#22755
he means fucking a young man
shikata ga nai
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 01 2012 02:53 GMT
#22756
On November 01 2012 11:48 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 11:45 RCMDVA wrote:
It has to be a young male for it to be a scandal.

Hell...Edwards was banging Rielle Hunter while his wife had cancer was known by everybody and it wasn't news until he got caught visiting the baby.


Why would it have to be a young male? We as a society hold women to much higher standards when it comes to sex scandals. Would be a much bigger blow to any lady's campaign than any mans imo.


Because Kirsten Gillabrand and Kelly Ayotte are the only two cute female Senators under 50.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
November 01 2012 02:53 GMT
#22757
On November 01 2012 11:51 sam!zdat wrote:
he means fucking a young man


thanks for the clarification.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
November 01 2012 02:53 GMT
#22758
On November 01 2012 11:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How would a Senate sex scandal affect the presidential race?


I don't see how it possibly can unless it's the Senate race in Ohio.
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
November 01 2012 02:55 GMT
#22759
On November 01 2012 11:26 xDaunt wrote:
Karl Rove is predicting that Romney will win 51-48 with 279 electoral votes or so. His interpretation of the polling numbers is interesting and basically in line with my thoughts.

Source.


You can find pundits predicting EVERYTHING, but people should take what Rove says seriously. He's a man who values his reputation as an expert and he wouldn't be throwing this opinion out there if he didn't honestly believe it. When he says he thinks Romney will win, he honestly believes it.

Now, he of course could still be totally wrong, but he's not just blowing somke.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
November 01 2012 02:58 GMT
#22760
On November 01 2012 11:26 xDaunt wrote:
Karl Rove is predicting that Romney will win 51-48 with 279 electoral votes or so. His interpretation of the polling numbers is interesting and basically in line with my thoughts.

Source.


This actually me me laugh out loud. A few weeks ago he downplayed the national polling numbers as highly misleading and now they're so accurate he can predict a 51-48 percent win? I think Romnesia is becoming an epidemic.
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