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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 30 2012 15:25 GMT
#22241
On October 30 2012 23:49 jdsowa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 11:28 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
I would like to share this as the only reason I think Obama might lose this election:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

In all, 51% of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48% in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56%, up from 49% during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.

Really sad if we lose health care and explode the deficit to give rich people more money because Americans forgot to ignore the color of someone's skin.


Remember that Republicans were all set to go with Herman Cain--a black man--as their candidate before the scandal broke out. Racism is overstated. What people don't like about black American culture is the fact that it is largely antagonistic to mainstream culture. They don't have problems with blacks, per se.


wha'. Racism is a huge problem among all races on both sides of the spectrum. Race relations in this country are atrocious. Just because one black guy got "close" to a Presidential nomination for the Republican party doesn't mean there isn't a persisting problem. Growing up I've experienced multiple race riots, and I'm in California, a liberal and relatively tolerant state. I can't imagine what things are like in the Southern states.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
October 30 2012 15:29 GMT
#22242
On October 31 2012 00:25 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 23:49 jdsowa wrote:
On October 30 2012 11:28 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
I would like to share this as the only reason I think Obama might lose this election:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

In all, 51% of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48% in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56%, up from 49% during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.

Really sad if we lose health care and explode the deficit to give rich people more money because Americans forgot to ignore the color of someone's skin.


Remember that Republicans were all set to go with Herman Cain--a black man--as their candidate before the scandal broke out. Racism is overstated. What people don't like about black American culture is the fact that it is largely antagonistic to mainstream culture. They don't have problems with blacks, per se.


wha'. Racism is a huge problem among all races on both sides of the spectrum. Race relations in this country are atrocious. Just because one black guy got "close" to a Presidential nomination for the Republican party doesn't mean there isn't a persisting problem. Growing up I've experienced multiple race riots, and I'm in California, a liberal and relatively tolerant state. I can't imagine what things are like in the Southern states.

In some ways my experiences in DC and hte carolinas were better in terms of race relations than in Norcal. (I think where I'm from Richmond, CA plays a huge role in those poor relations, unfortunately.) Where I'm from there are huge socioeconomic cleavages between whitse and blacks, which are somewhat less in DC and Carolina.

But that's just on the surface. There might be further underlying issues (of course, historical civil rights etc)
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 30 2012 16:27 GMT
#22243
On October 30 2012 23:49 jdsowa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 11:28 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
I would like to share this as the only reason I think Obama might lose this election:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

In all, 51% of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48% in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56%, up from 49% during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.

Really sad if we lose health care and explode the deficit to give rich people more money because Americans forgot to ignore the color of someone's skin.


Remember that Republicans were all set to go with Herman Cain--a black man--as their candidate before the scandal broke out. Racism is overstated. What people don't like about black American culture is the fact that it is largely antagonistic to mainstream culture. They don't have problems with blacks, per se.


Okay, first of all, no one actually considered Cain to be a serious candidate. He was fun and outspoken. But he was not taken seriously. Perry and Bachmann were taken much more seriously.

Saying that 'black American culture is largely antagonistic to mainstream culture' is clearly demonstrating that racism is not overstated. If that were true, then there wouldn't be any such thing as 'black American culture' that you are talking about. What you're saying is paradoxical.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
October 30 2012 16:44 GMT
#22244
On October 31 2012 00:29 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 00:25 Souma wrote:
On October 30 2012 23:49 jdsowa wrote:
On October 30 2012 11:28 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
I would like to share this as the only reason I think Obama might lose this election:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

In all, 51% of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48% in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56%, up from 49% during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.

Really sad if we lose health care and explode the deficit to give rich people more money because Americans forgot to ignore the color of someone's skin.


Remember that Republicans were all set to go with Herman Cain--a black man--as their candidate before the scandal broke out. Racism is overstated. What people don't like about black American culture is the fact that it is largely antagonistic to mainstream culture. They don't have problems with blacks, per se.


wha'. Racism is a huge problem among all races on both sides of the spectrum. Race relations in this country are atrocious. Just because one black guy got "close" to a Presidential nomination for the Republican party doesn't mean there isn't a persisting problem. Growing up I've experienced multiple race riots, and I'm in California, a liberal and relatively tolerant state. I can't imagine what things are like in the Southern states.

In some ways my experiences in DC and hte carolinas were better in terms of race relations than in Norcal. (I think where I'm from Richmond, CA plays a huge role in those poor relations, unfortunately.) Where I'm from there are huge socioeconomic cleavages between whitse and blacks, which are somewhat less in DC and Carolina.

But that's just on the surface. There might be further underlying issues (of course, historical civil rights etc)

When you say DC, where do you mean exactly? I only ask because the city is incredibly stratified, with the 8th and 7th ward being incredibly different from the 2nd and 3rd. One could live in Georgetown and think the city wonderful and harmonious, or one could live in Anacostia and think the city in the midst of a race riot.

As for pointing at Herman Cain as evidence that the Republicans are certifiably non-racist.....well that's merely another form of the "Well, I have black friends" argument that is actually racist in and of itself.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 17:39:14
October 30 2012 17:36 GMT
#22245
Christie going rogue this morning across all the major news shows.

Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15729 Posts
October 30 2012 17:49 GMT
#22246
On October 31 2012 02:36 Defacer wrote:
Christie going rogue this morning across all the major news shows.

http://youtu.be/XIsEXWpv7MM


Wow, not even interested. Slam fucking dunk.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 17:57:05
October 30 2012 17:52 GMT
#22247
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

EDIT: Anyone else find it amusing how Gallup downplayed these numbers in its reports and how far down in the article it buried them?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 17:57:52
October 30 2012 17:57 GMT
#22248
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Show nested quote +
Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2012 18:01 GMT
#22249
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok

I'm more than happy to ignore the editorial presentation of the numbers, which is clearly bogus. I don't see how a 7 point advantage in early voting translates to Romney is not winning.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:03:42
October 30 2012 18:03 GMT
#22250
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:06:29
October 30 2012 18:06 GMT
#22251
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
October 30 2012 18:09 GMT
#22252
There are more solidly red states allowing early voting as far as I know, so that's that. National polls are really meaningless on this issue.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
October 30 2012 18:13 GMT
#22253
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.


Recent information is anything but ominous, both Florida and SC are now back to dead heats, none of the swing states that were leaning Obama are moving an inch. I have no idea why people are bringing up completely arbitrary national surveys.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:17:15
October 30 2012 18:13 GMT
#22254
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:18:17
October 30 2012 18:17 GMT
#22255
Obama leads Romney among likely voters by 47 percent to 46 percent, a statistically insignificant margin, the online survey found. Neither candidate has held a clear lead since early October.

But 53 percent of all registered voters predicted Obama would win the November 6 election, while only 29 percent said Romney would be the victor. A majority also said that they expected Obama to win their state.

That reflects the opinion of many analysts and pollsters who say Obama holds a tactical advantage in the state-by-state battle to win the White House.

Because Obama starts off with a greater likely number of states' electoral votes, Romney must win a higher number of the seven to 10 states that remain truly competitive.

Obama also holds an advantage among the 22 percent who said they have already cast their ballots. Some 55 percent of this group said they had voted for Obama, while 40 percent said they had voted for Romney.

The four-day poll was not affected in a significant way by Hurricane Sandy because only a small fraction of the 3,293 interviews were completed after the storm hit on Monday afternoon, Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said. Some other polls have suspended their activity due to the storm.

The accuracy of Reuters/Ipsos polling is calculated using a credibility interval. In this survey, the credibility interval is 3.4 percentage points for likely voters and 2.9 percentage points for all registered voters.


Source

Yep, I hear the train a comin. It's rollin round the bend.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:21:31
October 30 2012 18:18 GMT
#22256
On October 31 2012 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.


Wasn't Romney supposed to win Penn anyways?

Edit: Just checked, Obama is supposed to win Penn.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/pa/pennsylvania_romney_vs_obama-1891.html

Interesting. Anyways, I don't really care about absentee ballots. There's not that many of them and I don't think they represent a good figure of the general electorate. When Romney wins on election day then you can come in here and gloat about how we were all wrong or something (which isn't really saying much, just that more people are in line with what you want than what the others in this thread have wanted)

I still think Obamallama is going to win. Got any figures for that lead claim xDaunt?
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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
October 30 2012 18:20 GMT
#22257
On October 31 2012 03:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.


Wasn't Romney supposed to win Penn anyways?


No he wasn't supposed to and he's not going to. He's just pulling random information out of you know where.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2012 18:20 GMT
#22258
On October 31 2012 03:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.


Wasn't Romney supposed to win Penn anyways?

No. Pennsylvania is a blue state that should have been an easy Obama win. If Obama loses there, he's done.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
October 30 2012 18:21 GMT
#22259
On October 31 2012 03:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.


Wasn't Romney supposed to win Penn anyways?

Nah, that was with the voter ID law, which has been struck down until after the election. Also, xDaunt, I'd like to see that Republican Party data; how exactly are they counting ballots and releasing counts already?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 30 2012 18:22 GMT
#22260
On October 31 2012 03:20 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 03:18 Risen wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:06 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 03:03 Praetorial wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:57 farvacola wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
So I've been sitting on this for a day or so to see if anyone else was going to bring it up, but I'm going to share it now.

From Gallup:

Fifteen percent of registered voters nationwide have already cast their ballots in this year's election, according to Gallup Daily tracking for the week ending Oct. 28. That is up sharply from 5% a week earlier.
....
Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate.

Romney currently leads Obama 52% to 45% among voters who say they have already cast their ballots. However, that is comparable to Romney's 51% to 46% lead among all likely voters in Gallup's Oct. 22-28 tracking polling. At the same time, the race is tied at 49% among those who have not yet voted but still intend to vote early, suggesting these voters could cause the race to tighten. However, Romney leads 51% to 45% among the much larger group of voters who plan to vote on Election Day, Nov. 6.

Source.

Yes, this is a national survey, but I really don't see Obama taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote by 5+ points.

That's why he won't lose the popular vote by 5+ points.......I guess I'll consider it a sign of a coming Obama victory that xDaunt is now forced to use evidence that clearly doesn't agree with what he's trying to say.

Article: "Thus far, early voters do not seem to be swaying the election toward either candidate."

xDaunt: "This sways it in Romneys favor."

lol ok


Er. I'm not even conservative, but a 6% for Romney lead is kinda ominous for Obama.

A 6 percent lead for Romney gleaned from a non-representative sample of 15% of early voters who voluntarily declared their vote does not indicate anything.

You may want to reread what Gallup is saying. They asked the people in the sample whether they had voted early, whether they were going to vote early, and whether they intended to vote on election day. Romney leads by 7 in the first category, is tied with Obama in the second category, and leads Obama by 6 in the last category (which is the largest category). That points to Romney winning the popular vote by 5+ points.

Also, the Republican party released data today showing an 18+ point lead for Romney in Pennsylvania in absentee ballots (these are votes that have already been counted).

The pain train is coming for Obama.


Wasn't Romney supposed to win Penn anyways?

No. Pennsylvania is a blue state that should have been an easy Obama win. If Obama loses there, he's done.


Huh? Penn is worth like 20, Obama projected to get 290, need 270 to win. Doesn't seem to me like he needs it at all.
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