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Australia8532 Posts
On October 28 2012 08:16 Picklebread wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 06:50 darthfoley wrote:On October 28 2012 06:15 Romantic wrote:On October 27 2012 22:27 Barrin wrote:
Fuck this shit I'm voting Gary Johnson. End the 2-party system!
Never been more sure. Who's with me? Johnson or Romney for me. I live in a solid blue state so it doesn't particularly matter... haven't decided which one I will vote for yet. On October 28 2012 05:56 nttea wrote:
just some weeks ago i laughed at the thought of romney winning.... what the shit how is he even a candidate?? Don't worry, if we cared at all about Swedish politics we'd probably feel the same about some of your candidates. nah how the fuck is romney taken seriously? From what I gather, I think alot of people are voting for him based on his experience of being a businessman and think that hes just more qualified to set the economy straight then obama. Most of us that fact check and whatnot think hes a little shit because he lies and he said he wouldve let detroit go bankrupt but those of us that vote for him, are doing so because he has experience with budgets and economy. Please, correct me if im wrong.
From my understanding, I think a lot of people are voting for him because he's not Obama.
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On October 28 2012 08:21 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:16 Picklebread wrote:On October 28 2012 06:50 darthfoley wrote:On October 28 2012 06:15 Romantic wrote:On October 27 2012 22:27 Barrin wrote:
Fuck this shit I'm voting Gary Johnson. End the 2-party system!
Never been more sure. Who's with me? Johnson or Romney for me. I live in a solid blue state so it doesn't particularly matter... haven't decided which one I will vote for yet. On October 28 2012 05:56 nttea wrote:
just some weeks ago i laughed at the thought of romney winning.... what the shit how is he even a candidate?? Don't worry, if we cared at all about Swedish politics we'd probably feel the same about some of your candidates. nah how the fuck is romney taken seriously? From what I gather, I think alot of people are voting for him based on his experience of being a businessman and think that hes just more qualified to set the economy straight then obama. Most of us that fact check and whatnot think hes a little shit because he lies and he said he wouldve let detroit go bankrupt but those of us that vote for him, are doing so because he has experience with budgets and economy. Please, correct me if im wrong. From my understanding, I think a lot of people are voting for him because he's not Obama.
That too.
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I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true.
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Laughed at and ridiculed for what?
I don't think the rest of the world knows America well enough to have a reasonable idea as to what policies are best.
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Northern Ireland26415 Posts
On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true.
What partisanship? The left leaning Democrats have bemoaned him not pushing his own agenda and trying too hard to work with a rather obstructionist Republican bloc in Congress. Somebody has to be wrong surely?
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On October 28 2012 08:31 zeru wrote:
Romney seems like an "only in america" kind of candidate, just like Bush, where the rest of the world cant even fathom voting for such people (except pakistan, was it?), they would simply be laughed at and ridiculed.
Blaming the president for gas prices and electricity bills is hilarious too.
cause I totally did that.
I guess it fits in with my anti-intellectual, pro-segregationist philosophies that I would be entirely incapable of holding a nuanced opinion. though one does have to wonder on what standard I am allowed to grade Obama's performance, if not the general state of the economy... especially when Obama himself decried my position of a market that generally regulates itself, without governmental interference, as "voodoo economics".
I'll take the Romney and you keep your David Camerons.
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On October 28 2012 07:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:
I'm frankly pretty shocked that people still want to vote for Romney. I understand that people don't like Obama. But I'm just not understanding why anyone would vote for someone who is so obviously bought and paid for like Romney is.
Yes, I understand that Obama is too, but jesus he is not at all so brazen about it. I mean Romney basically came back from talking to Oil Companies and said he now has an energy policy. His main economic plan that he's revealed is flat tax cuts which benefit the rich extraordinarily. Romney has come out for Corporate Personhood. At least Obama has the decency to have rhetoric against it. The flip-flopping on all social policies is yet another reason to think that Romney does whatever money tells him. I mean do you honestly think Romney will make responsible policies for banks and wall street?
So Romney-voters, I have to ask: what exactly does a guy have to do to make himself too corrupt to vote for? I really want to know. What would Romney have to do in order to lose your vote? Be more corrupt than Obama. Honestly, I don't know how else to respond to random partisan blathering.
Partisan blathering? Don't do that. Don't shut down the conversation like that. That's not a serious answer, and I have no idea what that means. Where are you disagreeing?
Do you honestly think Obama is more corrupt than Romney? Do you think Romney will do more to try to rid corruption out of Washington than Obama? And I'm asking a serious question. What would a politician have to do to lose your vote simply because you were convinced they were completely bought off?
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On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true.
I'm sorry, but the idea that Obama, in a free market with no tariffs/protectionism or export controls, could have any impact on gas prices is ludicrous. Ditto for electricty, although it could be argued that maybe coal use has decreased as a result of Obama (I don't know if this is true or not, I just imagine its a bad argument thrown around), but coal is nasty, nasty shit, with a lot of externalities to deal with as a result of its use.
And yeah, you might disagree with a more public healthcare system and foregin policy (although that seems pretty hawkish and I'm not sure what more he could do without declaring direct war against another country...?), and that's fine. But don't blame him for dumb shit he has no power to control without deviating from rigid free market principles (which, if I'm not mistaken, conservatives usually support....but maybe when it's only in your own interests?).
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Northern Ireland26415 Posts
On October 28 2012 08:36 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 28 2012 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:
I'm frankly pretty shocked that people still want to vote for Romney. I understand that people don't like Obama. But I'm just not understanding why anyone would vote for someone who is so obviously bought and paid for like Romney is.
Yes, I understand that Obama is too, but jesus he is not at all so brazen about it. I mean Romney basically came back from talking to Oil Companies and said he now has an energy policy. His main economic plan that he's revealed is flat tax cuts which benefit the rich extraordinarily. Romney has come out for Corporate Personhood. At least Obama has the decency to have rhetoric against it. The flip-flopping on all social policies is yet another reason to think that Romney does whatever money tells him. I mean do you honestly think Romney will make responsible policies for banks and wall street?
So Romney-voters, I have to ask: what exactly does a guy have to do to make himself too corrupt to vote for? I really want to know. What would Romney have to do in order to lose your vote? Be more corrupt than Obama. Honestly, I don't know how else to respond to random partisan blathering. Partisan blathering? Don't do that. Don't shut down the conversation like that. That's not a serious answer, and I have no idea what that means. Where are you disagreeing? Do you honestly think Obama is more corrupt than Romney? Do you think Romney will do more to try to rid corruption out of Washington than Obama?
To be fair Obama is getting beaten about precisely because Obama made claims like this. With higher expectations, comes higher repercussions I guess if you don't meet them.
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On October 28 2012 08:35 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true. What partisanship? The left leaning Democrats have bemoaned him not pushing his own agenda and trying too hard to work with a rather obstructionist Republican bloc in Congress. Somebody has to be wrong surely?
when exactly did Obama compromise with Republicans on major legislation? (the mandate is not compromise)
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On October 28 2012 08:37 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:36 DoubleReed wrote:On October 28 2012 07:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 28 2012 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:
I'm frankly pretty shocked that people still want to vote for Romney. I understand that people don't like Obama. But I'm just not understanding why anyone would vote for someone who is so obviously bought and paid for like Romney is.
Yes, I understand that Obama is too, but jesus he is not at all so brazen about it. I mean Romney basically came back from talking to Oil Companies and said he now has an energy policy. His main economic plan that he's revealed is flat tax cuts which benefit the rich extraordinarily. Romney has come out for Corporate Personhood. At least Obama has the decency to have rhetoric against it. The flip-flopping on all social policies is yet another reason to think that Romney does whatever money tells him. I mean do you honestly think Romney will make responsible policies for banks and wall street?
So Romney-voters, I have to ask: what exactly does a guy have to do to make himself too corrupt to vote for? I really want to know. What would Romney have to do in order to lose your vote? Be more corrupt than Obama. Honestly, I don't know how else to respond to random partisan blathering. Partisan blathering? Don't do that. Don't shut down the conversation like that. That's not a serious answer, and I have no idea what that means. Where are you disagreeing? Do you honestly think Obama is more corrupt than Romney? Do you think Romney will do more to try to rid corruption out of Washington than Obama? To be fair Obama is getting beaten about precisely because Obama made claims like this. With higher expectations, comes higher repercussions I guess if you don't meet them.
I'm not trying to say that Obama isn't corrupt. I'm not naive enough for that, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise, like the way he handled the banks and the fact that he's also talking about taking down EPA regulations and stuff. But Romney, man. I don't get it. I don't know why people aren't just shocked how obvious he is with his corruption.
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On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true.
Most Americans saw their federal taxes decrease over the past four years, mostly in payroll tax cuts. Either you're making $250,000 a year, which I doubt if you actually are complaining about your electricity bill, or you're confused about the matter. Maybe your state taxes increased, over which Obama has no control.
Obama cut taxes. No one has paid a higher percentage in federal taxes under the Obama administration. But you guys sure are good at lying about it, non-stop, shamelessly.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/10/07/president-obama-won-significant-tax-cuts-during-his-first-term-but-voters-mostly-unaware-benefits/psf33Vy87XC9OgRX1oj8JN/story.html
Opinions differ on the economic effect of the $20-a-week tax cut. Obama and his team believed the best way to boost the economy was to award the tax cuts piecemeal. Employees are less likely to squirrel away $20 a week in the bank, instead pumping it straight back into the economy by spending it. On the other hand, if they get $1,000 in a single check, the theory goes, they are more likely to stash the money in a savings account or use it to pay off debt — where its benefit to the economy is slow-acting.
Though in theory the trickle-out method is better for the economy in the short term, it certainly has not been as beneficial to the president’s reelection prospects. Neal compared the reductions to the cuts of 2001 and 2003, which President George W. Bush doled out to Americans in lump-sum payments. Studies have shown that taxpayers spent about a third of those payments, another third wound up in savings, and another third was used to pay off debt.
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On October 28 2012 08:39 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true. What partisanship? The left leaning Democrats have bemoaned him not pushing his own agenda and trying too hard to work with a rather obstructionist Republican bloc in Congress. Somebody has to be wrong surely? when exactly did Obama compromise with Republicans on major legislation? (the mandate is not compromise)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20086598/boehner-i-got-98-percent-of-what-i-wanted/
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On October 28 2012 08:36 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 28 2012 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:
I'm frankly pretty shocked that people still want to vote for Romney. I understand that people don't like Obama. But I'm just not understanding why anyone would vote for someone who is so obviously bought and paid for like Romney is.
Yes, I understand that Obama is too, but jesus he is not at all so brazen about it. I mean Romney basically came back from talking to Oil Companies and said he now has an energy policy. His main economic plan that he's revealed is flat tax cuts which benefit the rich extraordinarily. Romney has come out for Corporate Personhood. At least Obama has the decency to have rhetoric against it. The flip-flopping on all social policies is yet another reason to think that Romney does whatever money tells him. I mean do you honestly think Romney will make responsible policies for banks and wall street?
So Romney-voters, I have to ask: what exactly does a guy have to do to make himself too corrupt to vote for? I really want to know. What would Romney have to do in order to lose your vote? Be more corrupt than Obama. Honestly, I don't know how else to respond to random partisan blathering. Partisan blathering? Don't do that. Don't shut down the conversation like that. That's not a serious answer, and I have no idea what that means. Where are you disagreeing? Do you honestly think Obama is more corrupt than Romney? Do you think Romney will do more to try to rid corruption out of Washington than Obama? And I'm asking a serious question. What would a politician have to do to lose your vote simply because you were convinced they were completely bought off?
If you have evidence of corruption, show the evidence. Otherwise you are connecting whatever dots exist in your head and I have no idea what you are talking about.
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On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true.
Even if thats all true, i cant vote for him simply because he flip flops on issues frequently, and the whole woman / gay equality.
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On October 28 2012 08:42 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:39 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 28 2012 08:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true. What partisanship? The left leaning Democrats have bemoaned him not pushing his own agenda and trying too hard to work with a rather obstructionist Republican bloc in Congress. Somebody has to be wrong surely? when exactly did Obama compromise with Republicans on major legislation? (the mandate is not compromise) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20086598/boehner-i-got-98-percent-of-what-i-wanted/
I notice two things from that article:
1) Boehner admits that Republicans are pissed at him
2) Obama didn't compromise on spending cuts or tax-raises.
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On October 28 2012 08:41 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:25 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I'm voting for Romney because with Obama my taxes, healthcare bills, and electricity bills have gone up and will go up come January due to his partisanship and mishandling. also, gas prices have skyrocketed and his foreign policy is... ugh.
also, Romney was a very successful businessman, and he's running on a really good platform, so I think he'll work out really well. especially after 4 years of Obama, 4 years of Romney/Ryan will be like a dream come true. Most Americans saw their federal taxes decrease over the past four years, mostly in payroll tax cuts. Either you're making $250,000 a year, which I doubt if you actually are complaining about your electricity bill, or you're confused about the matter. Maybe your state taxes increased, over which Obama has no control. Obama cut taxes. No one has paid a higher percentage in federal taxes under the Obama administration. But you guys sure are good at lying about it, non-stop, shamelessly. http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/10/07/president-obama-won-significant-tax-cuts-during-his-first-term-but-voters-mostly-unaware-benefits/psf33Vy87XC9OgRX1oj8JN/story.htmlShow nested quote +Opinions differ on the economic effect of the $20-a-week tax cut. Obama and his team believed the best way to boost the economy was to award the tax cuts piecemeal. Employees are less likely to squirrel away $20 a week in the bank, instead pumping it straight back into the economy by spending it. On the other hand, if they get $1,000 in a single check, the theory goes, they are more likely to stash the money in a savings account or use it to pay off debt — where its benefit to the economy is slow-acting.
Though in theory the trickle-out method is better for the economy in the short term, it certainly has not been as beneficial to the president’s reelection prospects. Neal compared the reductions to the cuts of 2001 and 2003, which President George W. Bush doled out to Americans in lump-sum payments. Studies have shown that taxpayers spent about a third of those payments, another third wound up in savings, and another third was used to pay off debt.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/515/no-family-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/
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On October 28 2012 08:39 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Laughed at and ridiculed for what? I don't think the rest of the world knows America well enough to have a reasonable idea as to what policies are best. To make it short: The astounding amount of lies, the failure he calls budget plan, his incredible flip flopping skills.
Sounds like Obama or a typical European politician.
I guess Berlusconi is an honest guy in your book? And that Papandreou did a great job with Greece's budget?
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