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mister.bubbles
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada171 Posts
April 15 2012 21:13 GMT
#501
Pigs have very strong personalities and if we are brining that into the equation then I would not eat pigs or dogs.

I personally think the eating of meat is relatively insignifigant morally speaking compared to the conditions in which the animal is raised and slaughtered. These days the conditions in which animals are raised and slaughtered make it hard to justify eating meat at all in my eyes and on the flip side killing and eating an animal that has grown to maturity and lead its life in a natural course is something that has happened since there were predators so denying it would flip the natural world upside down and make sinners of lions and wolves.
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teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 21:16:59
April 15 2012 21:13 GMT
#502
On April 16 2012 05:58 Telcontar wrote:
Obviously if you have a pet dog, or have kept one in the past, the thought of eating one of them would repulse you. It's natural that you would associate the dogs being consumed with those you have come in contact with in the past. However, let me assure you that they are quite different. These dogs are bred for consumption. There's no real difference between them or any other animal being raised for slaughter. It's sort of like not wanting to touch pork for a little while after watching Babe. Once you put a face and a personality to an animal, it's a natural emotional reaction for you to be digusted by the thought of chomping on one of its kind. You just have to understand how it really works and try not to get stuck in your own perception.

Meat dogs are different than pet dogs, but these differences hardly change the moral status of the animal.
A fellow vet med student of mine has a dog she bought from a meat vendor in south korea. The breed wasn't directly domesticated like most common dog breeds. They are more related to Dingos. But they still can function as pets, get along with people and cats and other dogs, and arguably have just as much "personality" as a selectively domesticated dog. Sure they may be a little more skittish and less obedient. But many dog breeds are less obedient than others.
So where did you come up with the conclusion that the differences between these Dingo-related dogs and common domesticated dogs make it okay to kill them for meat whereas it wouldn't be okay with other dogs?

All you're left with is an appeal to emotion and a cultural taboo... That is no basis for ethical argument sir.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 21:19:16
April 15 2012 21:14 GMT
#503
The i guess is that while the dog are close to each other genetically the emotional bond is not there as dogs are individuals . Think about the difference between your GF/BF and a random person. In fact it would be preferable if everybody ate their dogs after they died, its a huge waste to not eat it.

On April 16 2012 06:04 PaqMan wrote:
But a Dog is man's best friend /:
I find the idea of eating a dog disgusting. Probably because dogs have a stronger personality than cats, birds, fish, pigs and cattle.

Pigs are very intelligent probably more so than dogs.
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
April 15 2012 21:16 GMT
#504
Lol about eating human meat.

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia made an episode about cannibalism and they were deciding whether to eat a black guy or white guy.

They were like.. is it racist if I don't feel like eating the black guy? Because in general, I prefer white meat over dark meat.
Something like that.. hahahaha..

But yea.. back to the original post;
I have no problem with other people eating dog meat. However, I don't think it's something I'd be comfortable around me. I know that sounds contradictory but I just can't explain.
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
April 15 2012 21:28 GMT
#505
The amount of cognitive dissonance in this thread is lulzy. I can almost see the struggle for some people in their posts. I don't eat any meat. But if I did I would eat dog. Farmed or wild. Not domestic. Just like I wouldn't eat someones pot-belly pig if it were domestic.
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
April 15 2012 21:40 GMT
#506
On April 15 2012 13:46 wattabeast wrote:
I personally strongly disagree with it as my 2 dogs are the only things keeping me going at times in tough times at home; I dont know how i could consider them not as a part of the family; to me they are humans who just can't speak.

what if for someone goat or cow is a part of family and people killing them for food
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 15 2012 21:43 GMT
#507
In response to the pet thing; ofc one wouldn't go ahead and eat a pet.
However, eating something like a stray is different than one that one has been emotionally attached to.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 15 2012 21:43 GMT
#508
Wow I'm surprised there are so many "Yes" :/
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
April 15 2012 21:44 GMT
#509
On April 16 2012 06:14 Eppa! wrote:
The i guess is that while the dog are close to each other genetically the emotional bond is not there as dogs are individuals . Think about the difference between your GF/BF and a random person. In fact it would be preferable if everybody ate their dogs after they died, its a huge waste to not eat it.

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On April 16 2012 06:04 PaqMan wrote:
But a Dog is man's best friend /:
I find the idea of eating a dog disgusting. Probably because dogs have a stronger personality than cats, birds, fish, pigs and cattle.

Pigs are very intelligent probably more so than dogs.


A huge waste would be to shoot it into space after you owned it. I hope you realize that there actually is a circle to life.

( Humans rot, feed maggots, fertilize ground for plant life so on so on )
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absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
April 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#510
Personally I think people are pretty disconnected from animals and the pain they go through to end up on our plates. I eat meat but I want to make sure the animal lived a good life before it died, and died humanely.

I wonder how many modern people would actually become vegans if they had to raise the animals and slaughter themselves.

Here's Gordon Ramsay doing just that :

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Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
April 15 2012 21:48 GMT
#511
On April 16 2012 06:43 ZenithM wrote:
Wow I'm surprised there are so many "Yes" :/


Im okay with it, but I would never do it myself.
acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
April 15 2012 22:00 GMT
#512
On April 16 2012 06:47 absalom86 wrote:
Personally I think people are pretty disconnected from animals and the pain they go through to end up on our plates. I eat meat but I want to make sure the animal lived a good life before it died, and died humanely.

I wonder how many modern people would actually become vegans if they had to raise the animals and slaughter themselves.

Here's Gordon Ramsay doing just that :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJT0EliREU4


I'd also drink less water if I had to continually walk to a stream to fetch a pale. Rest assured, meat would still be eaten. Pretty much every culture in the world has some type of party or get together that revolves around killing, then butchering, and eating the animal. Maybe some people are disgusted by it, but if anything, it makes you apppreciate the food more... as opposed to stopping me from eating it.
DemonDeacon
Profile Joined February 2012
United States158 Posts
April 15 2012 22:11 GMT
#513
different cultures eat different things. if that's what you grew up doing i don't have a problem with it but i would never eat it... i would also kill you if you tried to eat my dog.
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 15 2012 22:13 GMT
#514
honestly its fine if its not someone else's pet you are eating.. then its wrong imo, really its the same way as if someone owned a farm animal and someone else took it and ate it without their permission (say someone who just has a cow for milk) same thing essentially.

personally i don't know if i would ever do it but really its fine in the cultural context its just another meat.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 15 2012 22:16 GMT
#515
On April 16 2012 06:28 Brettatron wrote:
The amount of cognitive dissonance in this thread is lulzy. I can almost see the struggle for some people in their posts. I don't eat any meat. But if I did I would eat dog. Farmed or wild. Not domestic. Just like I wouldn't eat someones pot-belly pig if it were domestic.

i dont see how a vegetarian can couch comment rofl.
TangYiChen
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)195 Posts
April 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#516
I don't have anything against eating dogs; however, I would not eat one myself.
Although there is a difference between pet dogs and...other dogs lol. I probably wouldn't suggest eating pet dogs, especially if it's not yours
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
April 15 2012 22:25 GMT
#517
On April 16 2012 04:38 Aelip wrote:
Meh, logically there's nothing wrong with it. But ethics and logic are nowhere near the same thing. It's perfectly possible and reasonable to draw the conclusion that if eating cow is acceptabel then so is eating dog. But that's not really relevant, in case you didn't know ethics isn't a "science" it's philosophy on some level and it's not really something you can be wrong or right about. You can merely have an opionion on it. I personally have no problem with eating dog. Hell when i was a kid we used to have a rabbit, one day my dad decided non of us really cared enough for it, so we got it butchered and ate it. Delicious.


I personally think that morality is entirely objective and based on logic and reason. Esentially, any act that causes unnecessary harm to an innocent, sentient being is immoral. Just because one 'doesn't really care enough' for an animal doesn't mean that butchering it is ok from an ethical standpoint. The simple fact that the animal has a decent life and a brain capable of producing complex emotions should be enough justification to not prematurely end its life.

So to answer the OP's question, I think that killing dogs for consumption is just as ethical (or unethical) as doing so for any other animal. The fact that they are cute and loyal, or that a particular society has viewed it as ok, seems to me to be irrelevant. The only time when the morality of dog eating should be put aside is when one's survival is in jeopardy.

Of course, these are just my thoughts on the matter, and I do not expect anyone else to share the same viewpoint.

I personally went vegan at the beginning of the year when I realized I couldn't come up with an ethical argument to justify my meat-eating (to clarify - it is not the consumption of meat I have a problem with, but the killing of innocent animals).
evilm0nkey
Profile Joined October 2009
53 Posts
April 15 2012 22:26 GMT
#518
On April 16 2012 03:27 whereyouat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 03:21 RifleCow wrote:
On April 16 2012 03:08 whereyouat wrote:
On April 16 2012 02:55 evilm0nkey wrote:
Probably chinese and korean people kill and eat dogs because of a misunderstanding, just as japanese people eat dolphin and whale instead of chicken and cow like us normal people!

Wow. "Us normal people"
Sorry but I don't want to be categorized as normal with someone of your mentality. There is no misunderstanding, your culture and people are not superior to another because of their food. The world does not revolve around you or the western world so screw off with your stupid statement.

It's a joke. Watch South Park.

Yeah with the amount of sheer ignorance that goes around, wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a joke. Also no thank you.


That south park episode (Whale Whores S13E11) satirizes the western intolerance to foreign culture's eating behaviour. I guess you would actually enjoy it!
And I agree with your reaction to my post as you didnt know the joke
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
April 15 2012 22:30 GMT
#519
26 pages of dog meat in 1 day....
I cant stop lactating
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 15 2012 22:35 GMT
#520
On April 16 2012 07:30 _Darwin_ wrote:
26 pages of dog meat in 1 day....


The only part about that that amazes me is that something so open to controversy hasn't been a more horrendous bantrap.
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