EPTHowever, growing up in the west and always viewing dogs as pets, I would be somewhat reluctant to actually eat it myself. I don't see anything wrong with it, I just have a bit of a mental block there because dogs fall into the cute/fuzzy category in my mind rather than the delicious food one.
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Thingdo
United States186 Posts
However, growing up in the west and always viewing dogs as pets, I would be somewhat reluctant to actually eat it myself. I don't see anything wrong with it, I just have a bit of a mental block there because dogs fall into the cute/fuzzy category in my mind rather than the delicious food one. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On April 16 2012 04:33 JingleHell wrote: I'm still responding because you're still attempting to "correct" me based on blatant misinterpretation of my point. If you understand so thoroughly that the paper has absolutely zero bearing on what I'm saying, why do you keep trying to force me to accept their subjective interpretation of ethical responsibility? The argument that animals ethically deserve rights akin to our own due to being alive is central to what was being debated at the time. I stated several flaws in the logic used to argue that point, and you brought in a paper you now admit is utterly irrelevant, and started trying to misuse it to disprove my points, all of which your paper actually AGREES with or doesn't pertain to. Explain to me how my statements about the impossibility of integrating animals into our society in a capacity based on rights have anything to do with animal integrity, please. Or, failing that, (you will), show me a flaw in the logic. No see it was in response to the part in this thread where you clearly say: "Humans can't be equated ethically to animals" I don't care what the context was. It's an incorrect statement given that there exists an example where animals and humans can be equated, ethically. Saying they can't is incorrect, no matter how right it feels in the context of this little particular discussion. It's not some end-all fact that animals and humans can't be compared ethically just because it doesn't sit well with you "intellectually" or w/e | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 16 2012 04:50 FallDownMarigold wrote: No see it was in response to the part in this thread where you clearly say: "Humans can't be equated ethically to animals" I don't care what the context was. It's an incorrect statement given that there exists an example where animals and humans can be equated, ethically. Saying they can't is incorrect, no matter how right it feels in the context of this little particular discussion. It's not some end-all fact that animals and humans can't be compared ethically just because it doesn't sit well with you "intellectually" or w/e You seem to have forgotten the point you were trying to argue, since the statement you took issue with originally was I have an intellectual issue with the argument that animals are ethically equivalent to humans That isn't a statement that we can not be compared ethically, that is a statement that we are not EQUIVALENT ethically. Just because some parallels can be drawn does NOT mean that all things are equal (equivalent) ethically between humans and animals. In other words, you're so busy trying to win an argument that you've forgotten what the fuck the discussion started it's life as. Thanks for proving this for me, and unless you say something that actually makes sense next, don't expect me to waste any time letting you try to redirect things until what you say makes sense. | ||
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StickyFlower
Sweden68 Posts
Poll: What human race would you be most OK eating? European (4) African (3) North American (2) Asian (1) Oceanian (1) South American (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What human race would you be most OK eating? (Vote): European + Show Spoiler + If you have too thick of a skull to understand, this is irony. It sickens me that there are people doing this. If you dont distinguish Dogs from Cows or Pigs why would you distinguish a Chicken from a Human? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:09 StickyFlower wrote: Animals are animals, who are we to discriminate? I am on my way of starting up a Human Farm. It taste like chicken but have the same Nutritional value as a pig. All I need to do now is to pick a race that less people would have problem eating then others and start the breeding process. Its OK to do because I breed them for the soul perpous of being eaten. Poll: What human race would you be most OK eating? European (4) African (3) North American (2) Asian (1) Oceanian (1) South American (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What human race would you be most OK eating? (Vote): European + Show Spoiler + If you have too thick of a skull to understand, this is irony. It sickens me that there are people doing this. If you dont distinguish Dogs from Cows or Pigs why would you distinguish a Chicken from a Human? Youre hilarious. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:09 StickyFlower wrote: Animals are animals, who are we to discriminate? I am on my way of starting up a Human Farm. It taste like chicken but have the same Nutritional value as a pig. All I need to do now is to pick a race that less people would have problem eating then others and start the breeding process. Its OK to do because I breed them for the soul perpous of being eaten. Poll: What human race would you be most OK eating? European (4) African (3) North American (2) Asian (1) Oceanian (1) South American (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What human race would you be most OK eating? (Vote): European + Show Spoiler + If you have too thick of a skull to understand, this is irony. It sickens me that there are people doing this. If you dont distinguish Dogs from Cows or Pigs why would you distinguish a Chicken from a Human? There is a difference between being a carnivore and being a cannibal. As a species we have evolved a sense of self-preservation that shows itself in our ability to nurture our young beyond birth, which is rare in anything that isn't a mammal (and in some cases birds). Being a cannibal merely shows that you are hampering our ability to further our own species in a evolutionary progress. Unless you are talking about domesticating humans for my nearest grocery store, which I am completely fine with. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:09 StickyFlower wrote: Animals are animals, who are we to discriminate? I am on my way of starting up a Human Farm. It taste like chicken but have the same Nutritional value as a pig. All I need to do now is to pick a race that less people would have problem eating then others and start the breeding process. Its OK to do because I breed them for the soul perpous of being eaten. Poll: What human race would you be most OK eating? European (4) African (3) North American (2) Asian (1) Oceanian (1) South American (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What human race would you be most OK eating? (Vote): European + Show Spoiler + If you have too thick of a skull to understand, this is irony. It sickens me that there are people doing this. If you dont distinguish Dogs from Cows or Pigs why would you distinguish a Chicken from a Human? So how do you distinguish them? They are all animals, similar intelligence (pigs are cleverer than dogs), similar self-awareness. We are talking about dogs who are reared for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for meat, not raising them as pets and cruelly snatching them away from little children. And even if we were talking about killing pets, the only difference is your emotional attachment to the dog. So its ok to kill and eat things you don't care about, but those you care about WOAH, hands off? Where is the logic there? PS: I'm veggie. If you eat meat there is no rational argument to distinguish dogs/horse/fluffy bunnies from traditionally reared livestock. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:21 froggynoddy wrote: So how do you distinguish them? They are all animals, similar intelligence (pigs are cleverer than dogs), similar self-awareness. We are talking about dogs who are reared for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for meat, not raising them as pets and cruelly snatching them away from little children. And even if we were talking about killing pets, the only difference is your emotional attachment to the dog. So its ok to kill and eat things you don't care about, but those you care about WOAH, hands off? Where is the logic there? PS: I'm veggie. If you eat meat there is no rational argument to distinguish dogs/horse/fluffy bunnies from traditionally reared livestock. There is a lot of logic in protecting the things you care about, I love my family and would rather see someone else hurt than having them hurt. I feel no need to place everyone I know on even footing as there will always be people that I value more than others simply because of my relation to them. If I was given the choice between the life of a complete stranger and the life of my girlfriend than I think the choice would be somewhat obvious to most. There is nothing illogical in defending things you care about and that is why we treat animals we do not know to those who are our household companions. I am more willing to see other humans hurt that another, hence our treatment of our pets are different to other animals that we do not have a connection to (fish?). | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
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Aelip
Denmark321 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:09 StickyFlower wrote: Animals are animals, who are we to discriminate? I am on my way of starting up a Human Farm. It taste like chicken but have the same Nutritional value as a pig. All I need to do now is to pick a race that less people would have problem eating then others and start the breeding process. Its OK to do because I breed them for the soul perpous of being eaten. Poll: What human race would you be most OK eating? European (4) African (3) North American (2) Asian (1) Oceanian (1) South American (0) 11 total votes Your vote: What human race would you be most OK eating? (Vote): European + Show Spoiler + If you have too thick of a skull to understand, this is irony. It sickens me that there are people doing this. If you dont distinguish Dogs from Cows or Pigs why would you distinguish a Chicken from a Human? Why does it sicken you? How is it any different from eating a pig? I know it'd be different if people were eating YOUR dog, but when it's a dog born and bred for eating i really don't see the difference between that and eating cows, horses, pigs, sheep and so on and so forth. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:00 JingleHell wrote: you're so busy trying to win an argument that you've forgotten what the fuck the discussion started it's life as Actually I didn't bother to follow any of your discussion with that poster. I just caught the literally incorrect sentence and decided randomly to toss you an article that I assumed would interest you a bit: In the context of integrity ethics, animals and humans are equivalent in various examples. Thus the sentence: "I have an intellectual issue with the argument that animals are ethically equivalent to humans" -- regardless of any special context -- is not 100% sound. That is all. No response necessary, so don't worry about determining whether or not I deserve a reply | ||
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thurst0n
United States611 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Nope not vegetarian but I still think eating dog meat should be illegal, and pig too. Too much intelligence to be allowed to kill for food. Same reason I would say it's wrong to eat humans and dolphins. Also, dogs are our best friends and that makes a big difference. They protect us, do loads of jobs for us (blind people, sniffer dogs, guard dogs), jump into ice cold water to save us, nurture our children, read our emotions better than any other animal etc. As far as I am concerned they should be given a 'free pass' in the food chain. Lots of other tasty animals to eat. Although as far as pigs are concerned yeah, they are damn damn tasty, but taste should not be a factor seeing as I wouldn't eat humans even if they were insanely tasty. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:27 [17]Purple wrote: There is a lot of logic in protecting the things you care about, I love my family and would rather see someone else hurt than having them hurt. I feel no need to place everyone I know on even footing as there will always be people that I value more than others simply because of my relation to them. If I was given the choice between the life of a complete stranger and the life of my girlfriend than I think the choice would be somewhat obvious to most. There is nothing illogical in defending things you care about and that is why we treat animals we do not know to those who are our household companions. I am more willing to see other humans hurt that another, hence our treatment of our pets are different to other animals that we do not have a connection to (fish?). Thats an emotional reaction, not a rational one. There is no place for emotion in logic. You are also using a poor analogy. The question shouldn't be 'My GF or a stranger' but more 'is the intentional killing death of a stranger as morally bad as that of my gf'? I'm not asking you to make a choice, just asking you to assess the value of human life. Same way as I'm asking you to evaluate animal life. Just to be clear, I don't blame anyone who wants to protect there loved ones. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On April 16 2012 05:48 sc4k wrote: Nope not vegetarian but I still think eating dog meat should be illegal, and pig too. Too much intelligence to be allowed to kill for food. Same reason I would say it's wrong to eat humans and dolphins. Also, dogs are our best friends and that makes a big difference. Where do you draw the line then? You have to be careful using intelligence as a reason to differentiate species' right to life. Opens up the awkward problem of infant children or the mentally disabled (I obviously don't think anyone here thinks that that killing the former and latter is morally acceptable, just that if you distinguish solely on intelligence you have these problems). Response to your EDIT: So, animals that are useful to us are more deserving of life? | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
I find the idea of eating a dog disgusting. Probably because dogs have a stronger personality than cats, birds, fish, pigs and cattle. | ||
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Fuhrmaaj
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