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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
July 16 2013 21:40 GMT
#9961
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


It's okay to just say black people.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
July 16 2013 21:42 GMT
#9962
On July 17 2013 06:40 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


It's okay to just say black people.

Dat Rayciss


Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
July 16 2013 21:51 GMT
#9963
On July 17 2013 06:30 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-grace-george-zimmerman-going-back-to-life-of-driving-through-taco-bell-eating-churros/

Nancy Grace, you've outdone yourself again.

First screaming "fucking coon" repeatedly over the course of the trial pretty much every time you were on the screen (because, you know, Nancy thinks that's what Zimmerman said, so it's okay to repeat it over and over), and now a racist insult against Zimmerman. If someone put Nancy out of her misery and I was on the jury, I'd vote to give him a medal.


LOL. What a hypocrite.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 21:51 GMT
#9964
On July 17 2013 06:30 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-grace-george-zimmerman-going-back-to-life-of-driving-through-taco-bell-eating-churros/

Nancy Grace, you've outdone yourself again.

First screaming "fucking coon" repeatedly over the course of the trial pretty much every time you were on the screen (because, you know, Nancy thinks that's what Zimmerman said, so it's okay to repeat it over and over), and now a racist insult against Zimmerman. If someone put Nancy out of her misery and I was on the jury, I'd vote to give him a medal.

this actually really pisses me off; they stopped selling churros in California. wtf taco bell? why does florida get them?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 16 2013 21:53 GMT
#9965
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.

whoa lol! why you being racist?!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
July 16 2013 21:53 GMT
#9966
On July 17 2013 06:51 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:30 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-grace-george-zimmerman-going-back-to-life-of-driving-through-taco-bell-eating-churros/

Nancy Grace, you've outdone yourself again.

First screaming "fucking coon" repeatedly over the course of the trial pretty much every time you were on the screen (because, you know, Nancy thinks that's what Zimmerman said, so it's okay to repeat it over and over), and now a racist insult against Zimmerman. If someone put Nancy out of her misery and I was on the jury, I'd vote to give him a medal.

this actually really pisses me off; they stopped selling churros in California. wtf taco bell? why does florida get them?


Go to El Pollo Loco, they got Churro's
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 21:57:07
July 16 2013 21:57 GMT
#9967
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
July 16 2013 22:19 GMT
#9968
On July 17 2013 06:53 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:51 dAPhREAk wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:30 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-grace-george-zimmerman-going-back-to-life-of-driving-through-taco-bell-eating-churros/

Nancy Grace, you've outdone yourself again.

First screaming "fucking coon" repeatedly over the course of the trial pretty much every time you were on the screen (because, you know, Nancy thinks that's what Zimmerman said, so it's okay to repeat it over and over), and now a racist insult against Zimmerman. If someone put Nancy out of her misery and I was on the jury, I'd vote to give him a medal.

this actually really pisses me off; they stopped selling churros in California. wtf taco bell? why does florida get them?


Go to El Pollo Loco, they got Churro's

Costco has churros too. So fucking good man... mmm... mmm.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
July 16 2013 22:27 GMT
#9969
I don't think there's a El Pollo Loco or Costco where I live, dammit
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
July 16 2013 22:28 GMT
#9970
Costco Churros are 10/10 and at a decent price.
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
July 16 2013 22:29 GMT
#9971
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
July 16 2013 22:29 GMT
#9972
found this in a comment section on boingboing, found it quite good

http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/55579281843/youre-not-the-only-one-to-ask-thats-for-sure
Here be Dragons
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 16 2013 22:44 GMT
#9973
On July 17 2013 07:29 Rimstalker wrote:
found this in a comment section on boingboing, found it quite good

http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/55579281843/youre-not-the-only-one-to-ask-thats-for-sure

This is pretty spot on. Read this daPHREAK!
Aint got time to bleed
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 22:51:01
July 16 2013 22:48 GMT
#9974
On July 17 2013 07:29 Rimstalker wrote:
found this in a comment section on boingboing, found it quite good

http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/55579281843/youre-not-the-only-one-to-ask-thats-for-sure

The one thing I don't think I agree with is when he says:
You wanna hear something shocking? I don’t think the prosecutors really believed they had a case.


After hearing the post trial interview, I find hard to believe that are such good actors. Plus it would be even worse, making a man you believe is innocent, and that you know shouldn't be convicted, go through all of that just to (fail to) please the public. That's when ethic issues really come into play.

According to that jury member interview, one member of the jury even bought the second degree murder argument, initially. If Zimermann got unlucky and had 6 of those in the jury, perhaps he could end up with a absurdly harsh sentence. Even if they had no case.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 22:52 GMT
#9975
On July 17 2013 07:44 dotHead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:29 Rimstalker wrote:
found this in a comment section on boingboing, found it quite good

http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/55579281843/youre-not-the-only-one-to-ask-thats-for-sure

This is pretty spot on. Read this daPHREAK!

i read it. its an interesting perspective.

this is also misstating the fact that Serino (the lead investigator) wanted to file manslaughter charges. it was the state attorneys office that refused to charge zimmerman.

also, the brouhaha over the grand jury is kind of funny. grand juries only hear what the prosecutor wants them to hear; literally. the defense attorney doesnt get to put his side forward; he isnt even allowed to speak or participate in the grand jury (unless Florida has funky rules). so, its questionable, at best, whether the grand jury would have done anything but indict zimmerman.
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
July 16 2013 22:57 GMT
#9976
On July 17 2013 07:29 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:57 kmillz wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On July 17 2013 06:13 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I just had a brilliant idea. If all the uninformed people who hate on the verdict are gathered anyway (when protesting), why dont they bring a big screen and hold a public viewing of the trial? That way some of them actually get to know what they are protesting about.


I don't think African Americans can think about this trial rationally. I try and persuade some of my friends but they can't get over the idea of being Martin being profiled in the first place. They can't move from that spot so they won't then acknowledge that Martin probably started the altercation, etc.


I tried to have a rational conversation with a black guy about my age at a bar once. This was before it went to trial and he was the one who brought it up. My only issue with his line of thinking was that he insisted that he racially profiled Martin. He was even willing to agree that it was self-defense, which was pretty shocking, just that he was positive that he profiled Martin because he was black. Interestingly at that point in time I wasn't even sure it was self-defense, I was just confident it wasn't about race. I thought that it was arguable whether or not he was acting in self-defense, but definitely not about race. Now that the verdict has been reached and all of the facts have come out, I am now also convinced that it was self-defense.

Fortunately we just agreed to disagree, and that was that. I think it boils down to a group mentality that it would be blasphemous to many of them if one were to deny an alleged case of racism towards someone who is black. They would rather be wrong, but still side with their race, than to risk being an "Uncle Tom" and disliked by their peers.


Some people hate things and believe in them so much they just don't care about facts anymore. I mean, I'm sure most of them thought something like:

1) Black guy killed by white/hispanic guy
2) Black guy's only crime was being black
3) White/hispanic guy probably won't go to jail
4) Trial happens
5) ----Doesn't look up any facts or even pays attention to the trial---
6) Innocent
7) "See, the system failed us again, be outraged people! Demand Justice!"

Sadly many people run purely on emotion, which is basically the entire reason racism is still an issue.


People are focused too much on the trial. Did we all forget how this started? The police bungled the case and didn't even bother to do a proper investigation of the incident and let Zimmerman go free. It drew outrage because the fact is institutional racism exists in the criminal justice system. If I was on the jury I would probably rule not guilty too, but that does not negate the legitimate anger black people have in this country for the way they are still treated.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 16 2013 23:00 GMT
#9977
Not sure if posted

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 23:02 GMT
#9978
On July 17 2013 07:52 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 07:44 dotHead wrote:
On July 17 2013 07:29 Rimstalker wrote:
found this in a comment section on boingboing, found it quite good

http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/55579281843/youre-not-the-only-one-to-ask-thats-for-sure

This is pretty spot on. Read this daPHREAK!

i read it. its an interesting perspective.

this is also misstating the fact that Serino (the lead investigator) wanted to file manslaughter charges. it was the state attorneys office that refused to charge zimmerman.

also, the brouhaha over the grand jury is kind of funny. grand juries only hear what the prosecutor wants them to hear; literally. the defense attorney doesnt get to put his side forward; he isnt even allowed to speak or participate in the grand jury (unless Florida has funky rules). so, its questionable, at best, whether the grand jury would have done anything but indict zimmerman.

gonna backtrack, it looks like serino recommended manslaughter but only so that the investigation would continue.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 23:04 GMT
#9979
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 16 2013 23:07 GMT
#9980
On July 17 2013 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe

Show nested quote +
The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.

That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

In addition to Arnwine’s group, Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Laura Murphy, Washington Chapter head of the ACLU; and several national, Florida and Sanford-based “human relations” groups participated, Arnwine said.

During the call, DOJ officials announced they had set up a way for people to send email tips that could help aid in their investigation. The email address will be operational later this week.

Also Monday, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said a speech at the social action luncheon of the Delta Sigma Theta sorority, that he shares concerns about “the tragic, unnecessary shooting death” of Trayvon Martin last year, and he vowed to pursue a federal investigation into the matter, the Washington Post reported.

Holder pledged that the Justice Department would work to “alleviate tensions, address community concerns and promote healing” in response to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

Translation: My god please bring us all your tips that he was racist, so we can review them and all still not bring a case. Please make sure you send every one, because we are only going to do this once.
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