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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 20:28 GMT
#9921
On July 17 2013 05:24 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:11 Firesilver wrote:
This comment is definitely worth a read and sums up my opinion on this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1idm1y/til_george_zimmerman_was_a_democrat_voted_for/cb3nna5


Nice read.

there is at least one inaccuracy. the investigators (Serino) asked for manslaughter; they did not think he was innocent. it was the state attorney's office that originally said no to an arrest.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 16 2013 20:28 GMT
#9922
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:08 MstrJinbo wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:28 Nyxisto wrote:
[quote]

But it should be. Why is an untrained person allowed to play police? For me that sounds like climbing into a tiger cage, killing the tiger when he attacks you and saying: "I didn't do anything wrong, it attacked me!"
Of course it's true, but Zimmerman got himself into a dangerous confrontation that escalated because both people didn't know how to handle the situation. I don't see why something like this is not illegal.

If the situation could be avoided that should be the first option. If the "defender" willingly engages in the confrontation, he risks the health of himself and others involved.


Following someone is not the same as playing police. It's public space and Zimmerman had every right to be there. It would have been smarter for him not to have been there, but it shouldn't be made a crime.


Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I wouldn't imagine that a white male would trust whoever was trailing him either. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the "trust" issue...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 16 2013 20:29 GMT
#9923
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:08 MstrJinbo wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:28 Nyxisto wrote:
[quote]

But it should be. Why is an untrained person allowed to play police? For me that sounds like climbing into a tiger cage, killing the tiger when he attacks you and saying: "I didn't do anything wrong, it attacked me!"
Of course it's true, but Zimmerman got himself into a dangerous confrontation that escalated because both people didn't know how to handle the situation. I don't see why something like this is not illegal.

If the situation could be avoided that should be the first option. If the "defender" willingly engages in the confrontation, he risks the health of himself and others involved.


Following someone is not the same as playing police. It's public space and Zimmerman had every right to be there. It would have been smarter for him not to have been there, but it shouldn't be made a crime.


Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I am going to be frank, I don't trust random people wandering around my neighborhood either, regardless of that they look like. I might as someone what they were doing if they were in my area late at night and I didn't know who they were. If they told me to fuck off, I would call the police and likely call people in the area to let them know. I don't know if I would follow them, but I would think about it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 16 2013 20:37 GMT
#9924
On July 17 2013 05:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:08 MstrJinbo wrote:
[quote]

Following someone is not the same as playing police. It's public space and Zimmerman had every right to be there. It would have been smarter for him not to have been there, but it shouldn't be made a crime.


Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I am going to be frank, I don't trust random people wandering around my neighborhood either, regardless of that they look like. I might as someone what they were doing if they were in my area late at night and I didn't know who they were. If they told me to fuck off, I would call the police and likely call people in the area to let them know. I don't know if I would follow them, but I would think about it.


Isn't there any kind of trust in these areas? It seems like wearing a hoodie and simply "being somewhere" late at night in public seems to be enough of a reason to be interrogated by strangers.
Live and let live. (kind of literally here) What i find most troublesome about this whole thing is that there seems to be so much mistrust and that this situation was just created by mistrust and fear.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 20:40 GMT
#9925
On July 17 2013 05:37 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:29 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
[quote]

Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I am going to be frank, I don't trust random people wandering around my neighborhood either, regardless of that they look like. I might as someone what they were doing if they were in my area late at night and I didn't know who they were. If they told me to fuck off, I would call the police and likely call people in the area to let them know. I don't know if I would follow them, but I would think about it.


Isn't there any kind of trust in these areas? It seems like wearing a hoodie and simply "being somewhere" late at night in public seems to be enough of a reason to be interrogated by strangers.
Live and let live. (kind of literally here) What i find most troublesome about this whole thing is that there seems to be so much mistrust and that this situation was just created by mistrust and fear.

it was a bad neighborhood with a lot of previous crime, including violent crimes.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 16 2013 20:41 GMT
#9926
On July 17 2013 05:28 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:08 MstrJinbo wrote:
[quote]

Following someone is not the same as playing police. It's public space and Zimmerman had every right to be there. It would have been smarter for him not to have been there, but it shouldn't be made a crime.


Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I wouldn't imagine that a white male would trust whoever was trailing him either. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the "trust" issue...


Pretty sure a white kid would respond very differently to the question of what are you doing here differently than a black kid. It's a race thing.
Get it by your hands...
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 16 2013 20:42 GMT
#9927
On July 17 2013 05:37 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:29 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
[quote]

Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I am going to be frank, I don't trust random people wandering around my neighborhood either, regardless of that they look like. I might as someone what they were doing if they were in my area late at night and I didn't know who they were. If they told me to fuck off, I would call the police and likely call people in the area to let them know. I don't know if I would follow them, but I would think about it.


Isn't there any kind of trust in these areas? It seems like wearing a hoodie and simply "being somewhere" late at night in public seems to be enough of a reason to be interrogated by strangers.
Live and let live. (kind of literally here) What i find most troublesome about this whole thing is that there seems to be so much mistrust and that this situation was just created by mistrust and fear.


Can you stop making stupid exaggerations?

First of all it was a closed neighborhood which had been hit with a string of robberies. Peeking around houses at night when it's raining IS suspicious. No one was interrogated, don't even pull that shit.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#9928
On July 17 2013 05:41 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:28 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:20 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:12 Judicator wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 17 2013 05:03 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:57 Jisall wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:38 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:33 papaz wrote:
[quote]

Zimmerman played police no matter how you look at the matter. He followed someone carrying a gun being told he should not. Something is beyond messed up when you actively put yourself in the position Zimmerman did and completely go free because you defended yourself.

I'm not saying he is guilty of murder but he is sure guilty of something and what needs to be done so that this tragic event doesn't occur again is that people one way or another is not allowed to play police in the first place.


Ye, i agree. As some people said before, involuntary manslaughter would seem reasonable. I also never meant that people shouldn't defend themselves, but the situation could have been avoided and that should influence the sentence.


What makes you think that this situation should have been avoided? Who is to say Trayvon was not a risk to the security of the neighborhood that night? His personal history has shown that he is capable of doing illegal things. You all assume Trayvon was walking directly home that night. Also the situation could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't throw the first punch as the Juror interviewed by Anderson Cooper of CNN believes he did.


We already had this before, there was no immediate danger, and even the police told him that he "doesn't need to do that". No one is making any assumptions here.

Yeah but if there's no immediate danger than what's the problem? Just approach the kid and ask him if he belongs there or not.


That might work if the kid was a black male, that is a race thing.

You racial profile people if you ask them why there are there, unless they are white, then its ok and you can ask them anything.


No, I mean Martin as a black male doesn't trust whoever was tailing him. Too many fucked up things have happened for a black person to trust a random stranger on their intentions. Not saying it should have led to what it ended up being.

I wouldn't imagine that a white male would trust whoever was trailing him either. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the "trust" issue...


Pretty sure a white kid would respond very differently to the question of what are you doing here differently than a black kid. It's a race thing.

How differently? I've told black people to leave private property in a high crime area and not been punched. They aren't inherently violent.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
July 16 2013 20:47 GMT
#9929
On July 17 2013 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
Ignored by media: Zimmerman voted for Obama, tutored black kids

Show nested quote +
Al Sharpton has incited crowds with "arrest Zimmerman now!" and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough has flatly called George Zimmerman a murderer. Yet what has been widely underreported by the majority of American news organs is that Zimmerman is actually an Obama Democrat who has quite the history of working with and for fellow Americans of African heritage, as reported by The Telegraph (of London, England) on 15 July, 2013; both the Mercury News (of Silicon Valley, CA) and The National Review on July 14, 2013; and Breitbart.com on Feb. 6, 2013.

At times collectively and others singularly, The Telegraph, the Mercury News and The National Review have all cited past instances of Zimmerman's liberal/Democrat street-cred that would cause any Hollywood starlet or six figure income resident of Manhattan's tony Upper West Side hang their head in shame.

Researchable and legitimate source examples of Zimmerman's past history of working with and for blacks include:

"He and a black friend opened up an insurance office in a Florida..."
"He'd engaged in notably un-racist behaviour such as taking a black girl to his high-school prom..."
"Not only does he have black relatives, he has reportedly donated his time to tutor black children."
"He launched a campaign to help a homeless black man who was beaten up by a white kid."

Despite three reputable media outlets reporting these examples of George Zimmerman's past interactions with blacks, Breitbart.com reported almost six months ago:

Not only was Zimmerman not a racist – he had a black business partner, has Afro-Peruvian roots, and helped out underprivileged black kids in his neighborhood – he also was a supporter of the very president who would later slander him by innuendo.

As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is "a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama."

Attorney General Eric Holder also announced that the Department of Justice is still investigating if they will levy federal charges against Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids


I know I am just naive, but I am learning more about the way life works, and this case is a real eye-opener for me. It seems almost as if it's in the best interest of some people (like Al Sharpton) if the racial tensions keep existing, because if there is racial equality, what place do people like him have in society?

It almost seems like these people don't even care about their fellow minorities, or about racial equality; they just use the masses for their own personal gain.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
July 16 2013 20:49 GMT
#9930
Was race even brought up in the trial? Like did the prosecution try to prove racial bias?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 20:51 GMT
#9931
On July 17 2013 05:47 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
Ignored by media: Zimmerman voted for Obama, tutored black kids

Al Sharpton has incited crowds with "arrest Zimmerman now!" and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough has flatly called George Zimmerman a murderer. Yet what has been widely underreported by the majority of American news organs is that Zimmerman is actually an Obama Democrat who has quite the history of working with and for fellow Americans of African heritage, as reported by The Telegraph (of London, England) on 15 July, 2013; both the Mercury News (of Silicon Valley, CA) and The National Review on July 14, 2013; and Breitbart.com on Feb. 6, 2013.

At times collectively and others singularly, The Telegraph, the Mercury News and The National Review have all cited past instances of Zimmerman's liberal/Democrat street-cred that would cause any Hollywood starlet or six figure income resident of Manhattan's tony Upper West Side hang their head in shame.

Researchable and legitimate source examples of Zimmerman's past history of working with and for blacks include:

"He and a black friend opened up an insurance office in a Florida..."
"He'd engaged in notably un-racist behaviour such as taking a black girl to his high-school prom..."
"Not only does he have black relatives, he has reportedly donated his time to tutor black children."
"He launched a campaign to help a homeless black man who was beaten up by a white kid."

Despite three reputable media outlets reporting these examples of George Zimmerman's past interactions with blacks, Breitbart.com reported almost six months ago:

Not only was Zimmerman not a racist – he had a black business partner, has Afro-Peruvian roots, and helped out underprivileged black kids in his neighborhood – he also was a supporter of the very president who would later slander him by innuendo.

As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is "a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama."

Attorney General Eric Holder also announced that the Department of Justice is still investigating if they will levy federal charges against Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids


I know I am just naive, but I am learning more about the way life works, and this case is a real eye-opener for me. It seems almost as if it's in the best interest of some people (like Al Sharpton) if the racial tensions keep existing, because if there is racial equality, what place do people like him have in society?

It almost seems like these people don't even care about their fellow minorities, or about racial equality; they just use the masses for their own personal gain.

well, institutional racism still exists. they just need to do a wee bit more due diligence before they pick their battles. right now, they just fucking jump on everything they can get their hands on and continue to look like morons. Al Sharpton was also part of the Duke Lacrosse Case--oops, black female lying about being raped by privileged white males.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
July 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#9932
Come on didn't anyone else see Jeantel's awesome Piers Morgan interview?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/

Ignorant white white guilters are swallowing her lies up like candy. (Cracka does not exclusively mean police or people who act like police, it means white people, as you know full well, Rachel, and nigga is not usually just a synonym for "man." Roughly, it's a synonym for "cool guy" or "my good friend" as anyone who actually spends time with black people will tell you. And "nigger" is used as an insult by blacks towards other blacks as well.)

Also, apparently Jeantel thinks it's a really good idea to point out that she told Trayvon Zimmerman might be a gay rapist following him so he could rape Trayvon's little brother (who Zimmerman did not know existed). Please Jeantel, we need more regular black people on national television exposing the homophobia that is rife in the black community. Also you're doing a fine job showing the world you're not stupid.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#9933
On July 17 2013 05:47 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:
Ignored by media: Zimmerman voted for Obama, tutored black kids

Al Sharpton has incited crowds with "arrest Zimmerman now!" and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough has flatly called George Zimmerman a murderer. Yet what has been widely underreported by the majority of American news organs is that Zimmerman is actually an Obama Democrat who has quite the history of working with and for fellow Americans of African heritage, as reported by The Telegraph (of London, England) on 15 July, 2013; both the Mercury News (of Silicon Valley, CA) and The National Review on July 14, 2013; and Breitbart.com on Feb. 6, 2013.

At times collectively and others singularly, The Telegraph, the Mercury News and The National Review have all cited past instances of Zimmerman's liberal/Democrat street-cred that would cause any Hollywood starlet or six figure income resident of Manhattan's tony Upper West Side hang their head in shame.

Researchable and legitimate source examples of Zimmerman's past history of working with and for blacks include:

"He and a black friend opened up an insurance office in a Florida..."
"He'd engaged in notably un-racist behaviour such as taking a black girl to his high-school prom..."
"Not only does he have black relatives, he has reportedly donated his time to tutor black children."
"He launched a campaign to help a homeless black man who was beaten up by a white kid."

Despite three reputable media outlets reporting these examples of George Zimmerman's past interactions with blacks, Breitbart.com reported almost six months ago:

Not only was Zimmerman not a racist – he had a black business partner, has Afro-Peruvian roots, and helped out underprivileged black kids in his neighborhood – he also was a supporter of the very president who would later slander him by innuendo.

As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is "a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama."

Attorney General Eric Holder also announced that the Department of Justice is still investigating if they will levy federal charges against Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids


I know I am just naive, but I am learning more about the way life works, and this case is a real eye-opener for me. It seems almost as if it's in the best interest of some people (like Al Sharpton) if the racial tensions keep existing, because if there is racial equality, what place do people like him have in society?

It almost seems like these people don't even care about their fellow minorities, or about racial equality; they just use the masses for their own personal gain.


Almost makes me want to see this go to trial just to see the federal attorney get curb stomped and to have this sort of stuff become public knowledge.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:55:22
July 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#9934
On July 17 2013 05:49 DannyJ wrote:
Was race even brought up in the trial? Like did the prosecution try to prove racial bias?

the trial court precluded the prosecutor from bringing in evidence of racism because it was not supported.

we did have some funny moments though. Jeantel said trayvon called zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker," and one of the prosecutor witnesses threw out "yeah, zimmerman tutored black youths."
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
July 16 2013 20:53 GMT
#9935
On July 17 2013 05:49 DannyJ wrote:
Was race even brought up in the trial? Like did the prosecution try to prove racial bias?


They said that Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon, although that is hardly true in my opinion.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 16 2013 20:55 GMT
#9936
On July 17 2013 05:53 Housemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:49 DannyJ wrote:
Was race even brought up in the trial? Like did the prosecution try to prove racial bias?


They said that Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon, although that is hardly true in my opinion.

they were allowed to argue he "profiled" him, but precluded to argue that he "racially profiled" him.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 16 2013 20:55 GMT
#9937
On July 17 2013 05:52 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:49 DannyJ wrote:
Was race even brought up in the trial? Like did the prosecution try to prove racial bias?

the trial court precluded the prosecutor from bringing in evidence of racism because it was not supported.

we did have some funny moments though. Jeantel said trayvon called zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker," and one of the prosecutor witnesses threw out "yeah, zimmerman tutored black youths."

We should put those on repeat and show them every Christmas. Along with his prom photos.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 21:00:19
July 16 2013 20:59 GMT
#9938
On July 17 2013 05:52 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Come on didn't anyone else see Jeantel's awesome Piers Morgan interview?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/

Ignorant white white guilters are swallowing her lies up like candy. (Cracka does not exclusively mean police or people who act like police, it means white people, as you know full well, Rachel, and nigga is not usually just a synonym for "man." Roughly, it's a synonym for "cool guy" or "my good friend" as anyone who actually spends time with black people will tell you. And "nigger" is used as an insult by blacks towards other blacks as well.)

Also, apparently Jeantel thinks it's a really good idea to point out that she told Trayvon Zimmerman might be a gay rapist following him so he could rape Trayvon's little brother (who Zimmerman did not know existed). Please Jeantel, we need more regular black people on national television exposing the homophobia that is rife in the black community. Also you're doing a fine job showing the world you're not stupid.


"You don't think that 'creepy-ass cracker' is a racial comment?"
"No."

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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 16 2013 21:05 GMT
#9939
On July 17 2013 05:52 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Come on didn't anyone else see Jeantel's awesome Piers Morgan interview?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/

Ignorant white white guilters are swallowing her lies up like candy. (Cracka does not exclusively mean police or people who act like police, it means white people, as you know full well, Rachel, and nigga is not usually just a synonym for "man." Roughly, it's a synonym for "cool guy" or "my good friend" as anyone who actually spends time with black people will tell you. And "nigger" is used as an insult by blacks towards other blacks as well.)

Also, apparently Jeantel thinks it's a really good idea to point out that she told Trayvon Zimmerman might be a gay rapist following him so he could rape Trayvon's little brother (who Zimmerman did not know existed). Please Jeantel, we need more regular black people on national television exposing the homophobia that is rife in the black community. Also you're doing a fine job showing the world you're not stupid.

If that is true she is really stupid in spreading the word. Does she not recognize what aftermath that could have?
This is our town, scrub
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 16 2013 21:07 GMT
#9940
On July 17 2013 06:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:52 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Come on didn't anyone else see Jeantel's awesome Piers Morgan interview?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/

Ignorant white white guilters are swallowing her lies up like candy. (Cracka does not exclusively mean police or people who act like police, it means white people, as you know full well, Rachel, and nigga is not usually just a synonym for "man." Roughly, it's a synonym for "cool guy" or "my good friend" as anyone who actually spends time with black people will tell you. And "nigger" is used as an insult by blacks towards other blacks as well.)

Also, apparently Jeantel thinks it's a really good idea to point out that she told Trayvon Zimmerman might be a gay rapist following him so he could rape Trayvon's little brother (who Zimmerman did not know existed). Please Jeantel, we need more regular black people on national television exposing the homophobia that is rife in the black community. Also you're doing a fine job showing the world you're not stupid.

If that is true she is really stupid in spreading the word. Does she not recognize what aftermath that could have?

I don't think she can even figure out that eating too many hamburgers can make you fat
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